misogynism in hip-hop

CorkMan

I watched this video there:

"Hey b**ch, sign your name on the dotted line, cos you belong to me,
Hey b**ch, sign your name on the dotted line, cos know you're mine."

is the chorus and a "Prostitution is the only solution" is a logo at the start of the video. I think it is wrong what these rappers are doing, and this video is very recent.

They are degrading women to an great extent, yet their record companies are giving them more and more money for videos.

EDIT: For some reason the youtube embed isn't working, type in "Lil Jon, Contract" into the youtube engine" and you should see a big man with a blue top on, click on that pic.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

I hear RTE has a programme where they talk about irrelevant issues that they feel are very serious and worthy of complaint. Liveline I think its called.

strobe

It's all good in the hood blood. You know he only tryin to keep it pimp and sh1t.

Panthro

i smell a sitcom situation

fedor.2.

Its the only reason i listen to the rubbish

MD1990

Hip Hop >>> every other Genre of music

ScareGilly

Are you from Limerick?
Is your name Anthony?

fedor.2.

MD1990 wrote: »

Hip Hop >>> every other Genre of music

LIAR

MD1990

fedor.2. wrote: »

LIAR

yeah its true

Capt'n Midnight

my goodness :eek:


next thing you know they will be accused of being gangsters and getting arrested and stuff

Dudess

OP, given your sig I thought you and the brothaz was all tight n' sh1t. Fuh real.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

I blame white christian men

kowloon

It's all much better when performed by god fearing white folk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjFRy8jQ_0U

MD1990

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

my goodness :eek:


next thing you know they will be accused of being gangsters and getting arrested and stuff

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Dudess

MD1990 wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Being born in 1990, you missed out on the irony decade all right...

CorkMan

Dudess wrote: »

OP, given your sig I thought you and the brothaz was all tight n' sh1t. Fuh real.

I listen to the music, there are plenty of songs that don't degrade women though. Women are not mere possessions.

kowloon

CorkMan wrote: »

I listen to the music, there are plenty of songs that don't degrade women though. Women are not mere possessions.

Get away with that, I own several. And they know their place.

Micky Dolenz

I see you rollin'

OutlawPete

Not like there is music that portrays men as being being good for just one function.

Can you pay my bills?
Can you pay my telephone bills?
Do you pay my auto bills?
If you did then maybe we could chill
I don't think you do
So, you and me are through!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuYHFYjmYP8

latenia

Cool idea for a thread; here's my pick:

<was 2 live crew>

CorkMan

I think a big part of the problem is that people by now people think it is "normal" for rappers to make these remarks about women. If, for example, U2 or Bob Geldof made a song tomorrow calling women bi**ches and telling them that sl*ts are useful, etc, they would be attacked left right and centre, their records companies would be out.

This is not the case with rappers, but the message is the same.

bronte

Everyones a cnut!

wonton

there is a biitch is his way and he wants her to move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JuS5AwR5Xg

YOP1992

great song thanks for sharing it

Da Shins Kelly

Sure, it's not right for rappers to degrade women, but it's part of the image and sex sells, we all know that. It exists in every genre of music. Take Katy Perry for example, her breakthrough into pop music only came when she sang a song about a lesbian encounter. Britney Spears' entire career has been based upon being a sex symbol. Beyonce's greatest asset is her *ss. It exists in rock music too - go back to the 60s and take a look at musicians like the Rolling Stones and Jimi Hendrix (who was a grade A bollox towards women), and you will find that they too took advantage of women. Where did the whole idea of groupies originate? One of Kings of Leon's most successful singles is Sex on Fire. Rap music can't really be singled out for bad attitudes towards women - it exists everywhere in music and sometimes is even perpetrated by so-called 'powerful' women in the industry (Perry, Beyonce, Britney).

Anyway, I don't really think that all this misogynism can be taken too seriously. You will find that a lot of it is tongue in cheek, and you do have to investigate rap music a little deeper than the radio and the music channels to find the really good stuff. There is a lot of great rap music out there with a lot of substance, if you don't like the light-hearted stuff that is, at the end of the day, just made for partying.

Orizio

CorkMan wrote: »

I think a big part of the problem is that people by now people think it is "normal" for rappers to make these remarks about women. If, for example, U2 or Bob Geldof made a song tomorrow calling women bi**ches and telling them that sl*ts are useful, etc, they would be attacked left right and centre, their records companies would be out.

This is not the case with rappers, but the message is the same.

Only a small amount of rappers make comments like that (re: women), which you would know if you bothered to listen to more then a few youube videos.

Moreover, Hip-Hop is unique in the sense that it is the most expressive of genres lyrically, in the sense that MCs do and can say whatever the **** they like about anyone and anything.

AgileMyth

wonton wrote: »

there is a biitch is his way and he wants her to move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JuS5AwR5Xg

Thats not misogyny, bitch just needs to get out the way.

Capt'n Midnight

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

I blame white christian men

not all of then just WASP's

profitius

Rap and hip hop, music for idiots (with bad taste).

Orizio

profitius wrote: »

Rap and hip hop, music for idiots (with bad taste).

*sympathy reply*

scientific1982

profitius wrote: »

Rap and hip hop, music for idiots (with bad taste).

Some of the best albums of all time have been hip hop.

wonton

Orizio wrote: »

Moreover, Hip-Hop is unique in the sense that it is the most expressive of genres lyrically, in the sense that MCs do and can say whatever the **** they like about anyone and anything.

although i agree that mcs do have the freedom to say **** and get away with it, it also has the uniqueness of having limits in the sense that it has to be "cool" or else it would completly lower the chances of it being a successful song.

because the lyrics are so important it makes them have to appeal to the fans or else the song can not be good regardless of the music.

amacachi

scientific1982 wrote: »

Some of the best albums of all time have been hip hop.

Well, just one.

amacachi

Orizio wrote: »

Moreover, Hip-Hop is unique in the sense that it is the most expressive of genres lyrically, in the sense that MCs do and can say whatever the **** they like about anyone and anything.

Pfft, anything available to buy or download outside of bootlegs isn't proper good MCing.

latenia

amacachi wrote: »

Well, just one.

36 Chambers?

Gyalist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwEG80UsDWU

amacachi

latenia wrote: »

36 Chambers?

Straight Outta Compton.

scientific1982

amacachi wrote: »

Well, just one.

36 chambers, illmatic, the chronic, it takes a nation of millions, 3 feet high and rising, to name but a few.

OutlawPete

profitius wrote: »

Rap and hip hop, music for idiots (with bad taste).

Not true at all.

There has been some classic Rap & Hip Hop music over the years.

Tupac Shakur was a poet and was in a different league when it came to lyrics, let alone rapping.

Look at the material the guy put out in just a career of five short years.

One of the few rappers who wrote positive lyrics about women and the issues they faced:


Keep Ya Head Up

Some say the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice
I say the darker the flesh then the deeper the roots
I give a holler to my sisters on welfare
Tupac cares, if don't nobody else care

And uhh, I know they like to beat ya down a lot
When you come around the block brothas clown a lot
But please don't cry, dry your eyes, never let up
Forgive but don't forget, girl keep your head up

And when he tells you you ain't nuttin don't believe him
And if he can't learn to love you you should leave him
Cause sista you don't need him
And I ain't tryin to gas ya up, I just call em how I see em

You know it makes me unhappy
When brothas make babies, and leave a young mother to be a pappy
And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman

I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women

And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up
I know you're fed up ladies, but keep your head up

To all the ladies havin babies on they own
I know it's kinda rough and you're feelin all alone
Daddy's long gone and he left you by ya lonesome
Thank the Lord for my kids, even if nobody else want em

Cause I think we can make it, in fact, I'm sure
And if you fall, stand tall and comeback for more
Cause ain't nuttin worse than when your son
wants to know why his daddy don't love him no mo'.


Dear Mama

I finally understand
for a woman it ain't easy tryin to raise a man
You always was committed
A poor single mother on welfare, tell me how ya did it

Now ain't nobody tell us it was fair
No love from my daddy cause the coward wasn't there
He passed away and I didn't cry, cause my anger
wouldn't let me feel for a stranger

They say I'm wrong and I'm heartless, but all along
I was lookin for a father he was gone
I hung around with Thugs, and even though they sold drugs
They showed a young brother love

You were just workin with the scraps you was given
And mama made miracles every Thanksgivin
But now the road got rough, you was alone
You were just tryin to raise two bad kids on your own

Pour out some liquor and I reminsce, cause through the drama
I can always depend on my mama
And when it seems that I'm hopeless
You say the words that can get me back in focus

When I was sick as a little kid
To keep me happy there's no limit to the things you did
And all my childhood memories
Are full of all the sweet things you did for me

And even though I act craaazy
I gotta thank the Lord that you made me
There are no words that can express how I feel
You never kept a secret, always stayed real

And I appreciate, how you raised me
And all the extra love that you gave me



Brenda's got a Baby

I hear Brenda's got a baby
But Brenda's barely got a brain
A damn shame
The girl can hardly spell her name

That's not her problem, that's up ta Brenda's family
Well let me show ya how it affects tha whole community

She tried to hide her pregnancy, from her family
They really didn't care to see, or give a damn if she
Went out and had a church of kids
As long as when tha check came they got first dibs

Now Brendas belly is gettin bigger
But no one seems ta notice any change in her figure
She's 12 years old and she's having a baby
In love with tha molester, whos sexin' her crazy

And yet she thinks that he'll be with her forever
And dreams of a world with tha two of them together,
whatever

He left her and she had tha baby solo, she had it on tha
bathroom floor And didn't know so
She didn't know, what ta throw away and
what ta keep
She wrapped the baby up and threw him in the trash heap.

I guess she thought she'd get away
Wouldn't hear tha cries
She didn't realize
How much tha little baby had her eyes.

Now the baby is in the trash heap ballin'
Momma can't help him, but it hurts to hear him callin'.

Brenda wants to run away
Momma say, you makin' me lose pay, and social work is here
everyday

Now Brenda's gotta make her own way
Can't go to her family, they won't let her stay
No money no babysitter, she couldn't keep a job
She tried ta sell crack, but ended up getting robbed

So now what's next, there ain't nothin left to sell
So she sees sex as a way of leavin hell
It's payin tha rent, so she really can't complain
Prostitute found slain, and Brenda's her name, she's got a baby.

Hedman

profitius wrote: »

Rap and hip hop, music for idiots (with bad taste).

:rolleyes:

Yo it's 6 Million Ways to Die, from the seven deadly thrills
Eight-year olds gettin found with 9 mill's
It's 10 P.M., where your seeds at? What's the deal
They on the hill puffin krill to keep they belly filled
Light in the ass with heavy steel, sights on the pretty **** in life
Young soldiers tryin to earn they next stripe
When the average minimum wage is $5.15
You best believe you gotta find a new grind to get cream
The white unemployment rate, is nearly more than triple for black
so frontliners got they gun in your back
Bubblin crack, jewel theft and robbery to combat poverty
and end up in the global jail economy
Stiffer stipulations attached to each sentence
Budget cutbacks but increased police presence
And even if you get out of prison still livin
join the other five million under state supervision
This is business, no faces just lines and statistics
from your phone, your zip code, to S-S-I digits
The system break man, child and women into figures
Two columns for who is, and who ain't niggaz
Numbers is hardly real and they never have feelings
but you push too hard, even numbers got limits
Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret:
the million other straws underneath it - it's all mathematics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycJ5m5Mt9JE

Irish Guitarist

If you think that's bad Google the lyrics to She Swallowed It by NWA. They're too disgusting for me to paste them here. They're possibly the most misogynistic lyrics ever.

I used to love rap but I grew out of it when I turned about eighteen. I don't understand why I ever listened to it now.

Seaneh

CorkMan wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmYyEln2oaA

Learn2internet.

Spunge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY

Who could dislike this

latenia

It began at sea
Three cross currents concurrently
started turning creatin the mother of all tempest to be
Excess precipitation and ionization
the cloud cover hovered ground 2000 feet
listening swiftly to meet the ocean's wave peak
Along the jet stream was a fog
sparkin, rollin, and pourin needles of rain
thunderin like god's bowlin lane

Crashin and collidin, the master of craftsmen
passionately expressing his anger with his angst
then flashes rains
insanity in fastening are rationally lashing out
blossoming from his majestic means
patterns and waves gravity couldn't tame
battling seas with seas the skies were stale
the light light rain of lightening veins
brought in gray clouds with bright silk, then fade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkJNKFAG3kI

figarofigaro

This right here is misogynist hip-hop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaYPHDVQ0uc

NSFB*********
notsafeforbitches

figarofigaro

amacachi wrote: »

Pfft, anything available to buy or download outside of bootlegs isn't proper good MCing.

Who told you that?

CorkMan

TBH 2Pac did come out with some rough stuff towards women, here are some quotes from Verse 1 and Verse 3 from "No More Pain" from All Eyez On Me.

My adversaries cry like hoes fully eradicate my foes
My lyrics explode on contact, gamin you hoes
Who else but Mama's only son, f*ck the phony niggaz I'm the one
Say my name, watch bítches come, now fire
when ready, stay watchin now figure, increase speed
Make you mother****ers bleed from your mouth quicker
Plus all these niggaz that you run with, be on some dumb ****
Trick on the hoes, I ain't the one bítch
Holla my name and witness game official, it's so sick
Have every single bítch that came witchu, on my dick
Plus this alcohol increases the chance to be deceased
I'm movin you stupid bítches, vicious telekenesis
Am I reachin your brain? Nigga how can I explain?
How vicious this Thug mother****er came
When I die, I wanna be a livin legend, say my name
Affiliated with this mother****in game, with no more pain


Bury me that's what they all say, it's time to make a killin
Sure to make a million with DeVante
Bítch I know you want me, what your mouth say? Now, watch your eyes
You don't wanna get with me, that's a lie
I got my hands on your hips, no time to bull****
Freaky bítch, come give me kiss

Jesus Wept

CorkMan wrote: »

I watched this video there:

"Hey b**ch, sign your name on the dotted line, cos you belong to me,
Hey b**ch, sign your name on the dotted line, cos know you're mine."

is the chorus and a "Prostitution is the only solution" is a logo at the start of the video. I think it is wrong what these rappers are doing, and this video is very recent.

They are degrading women to an great extent, yet their record companies are giving them more and more money for videos.

EDIT: For some reason the youtube embed isn't working, type in "Lil Jon, Contract" into the youtube engine" and you should see a big man with a blue top on, click on that pic.

Prostitution is the only solution to what?
Why is that offensive?

Jesus Wept

CorkMan wrote: »

I watched this video there:

"Hey b**ch, sign your name on the dotted line, cos you belong to me,
Hey b**ch, sign your name on the dotted line, cos know you're mine."

is the chorus and a "Prostitution is the only solution" is a logo at the start of the video. I think it is wrong what these rappers are doing, and this video is very recent.

They are degrading women to an great extent, yet their record companies are giving them more and more money for videos.

EDIT: For some reason the youtube embed isn't working, type in "Lil Jon, Contract" into the youtube engine" and you should see a big man with a blue top on, click on that pic.

CorkMan wrote: »

TBH 2Pac did come out with some rough stuff towards women, here are some quotes from Verse 1 and Verse 3 from "No More Pain" from All Eyez On Me.

My adversaries cry like hoes fully eradicate my foes
My lyrics explode on contact, gamin you hoes
Who else but Mama's only son, f*ck the phony niggaz I'm the one
Say my name, watch bítches come, now fire
when ready, stay watchin now figure, increase speed
Make you mother****ers bleed from your mouth quicker
Plus all these niggaz that you run with, be on some dumb ****
Trick on the hoes, I ain't the one bítch
Holla my name and witness game official, it's so sick
Have every single bítch that came witchu, on my dick
Plus this alcohol increases the chance to be deceased
I'm movin you stupid bítches, vicious telekenesis
Am I reachin your brain? Nigga how can I explain?
How vicious this Thug mother****er came
When I die, I wanna be a livin legend, say my name
Affiliated with this mother****in game, with no more pain


Bury me that's what they all say, it's time to make a killin
Sure to make a million with DeVante
Bítch I know you want me, what your mouth say? Now, watch your eyes
You don't wanna get with me, that's a lie
I got my hands on your hips, no time to bull****
Freaky bítch, come give me kiss

Is that it? Using the term bitch? No violence, just using the term bitch...

CorkMan

The-Rigger wrote: »

Prostitution is the only solution to what?
Why is that offensive?

I don't know what the logo meant, or what prostitution is the only solution to. But he is praising prostitution, the sale of "goods", women, and prostitution is a solution to nothing.

I am 99.9% certain he is praising prostitution.

The-Rigger wrote: »

Is that it? Using the term bitch? No violence, just using the term bitch...

It's not it. He is not using the word simply, he is implying women are non-intelligent "stupid" and implying they are objects quoting the last 3 lines of Verse 3. These among other words around the word bítch.

Jesus Wept

I'm fine with that.