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foreigner workers speaking in their own language in shops etc

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Honestly? Yes. But not because its a language I don't understand. I just find it rude. The very same if they're babbling on to Mary about "De XFactar on de telly."

    If I'm in front of you, I'm the customer. I'm the most important thing in your world, at this moment in time.

    If someone is babbling on in say, a shop aisle while stocking shelves, I couldn't give a **** what you speak, speak dog for all I care.

    And I say this as a person that works in a customer facing role.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wonton


    no i dont mind them talking their native language but i do hate when i'm trying to help them find something when im working and they act rude and annoyed when im trying my best to understand them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Dr_Phil


    gsxr1 wrote: »
    I live here. Where we all speak English. NOT Pollish.
    I live here too, but I'd say Filipino, Hindu, Lithuanian, Slovakian, Polish maybe after these... Unless "Polish" became a universal word that is to replace "foreign" in all aspects? This sort of ignorance drives me mad.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't get why this could be annoying to anyone.. If they're talking to someone else, it's a private conversation. Why do you even need or want to understand them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Dunjohn


    I love it. I love being exposed to another language. I'd never have learned phrases like "labas rytas" or "do svidanija" otherwise. I like seeing how much of it I can understand.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    omahaid wrote: »
    TBH OP, you well get two responses here

    Response 1: "Yes it does annoy me"
    Response 2: "No, as I am so PC I cannot recognise any differences between people, I actually find it difficult to tell if someone if male or female. Also, I can't admit someone from a different country does something that annoys me as it is racist"

    Response 3: "As long as they address me in English I don't care."
    Response 4: "Hey guys, see how un-PC I am? Guys? Look, I'm being politically-incorrect! Look how edgy and totally non-mainstream I am! Guys? Why aren't you paying attention to me! Hey! Pay attention to me!"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    Dr_Phil wrote: »
    I live here too, but I'd say Filipino, Hindu, Lithuanian, Slovakian, Polish maybe after these... Unless "Polish" became a universal word that is to replace "foreign" in all aspects? This sort of ignorance drives me mad.

    Im sorry my ignorance drives you mad.

    But you will probably find that the vast majority are indeed Polish.

    Ireland. In May 2006, the number of EU-8 nationals requesting the PPS income/social security numbers required to work in Ireland topped 206,000 for the first time. They included 116,000 Poles, 35,000 Lithuanians and 18,000 Latvians.

    Im sure this number has since fallen . In all nationalities

    Nice birds. Horrible sound


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Rockery Woman


    Hi!

    I work with a group of "foreigner workers" (or fellow Europeans)

    Mostly from Poland, a few from Slovakia, one from Latvia. Yes - they do tend to speak Polish when sitting in a group in work. I have no problem with that (I really dont care what people are saying if its not something directed at me).

    It does bother some of my colleagues though (Irish ones that is). I have a close friend who happens to be Polish, so I asked him "why do you Polish guys not speak in English here?" His answer surprised me, they find it difficult to understand each others broken and grammatically incorrect English, and find it easier to communicate using their own language.

    When I start a conversation with the guys in English, they will chat and sometimes one of them needs to translate for those with poorer English.

    I dont think they are being intentionally rude, I guess if I was working in Poland with a group of Irish people I would sit with them and chat in English all day.

    As for me, Im trying to learn a few basic phrases in Polish (besides Kurwa) as I am holidaying in Krakow in July (with my Polish pals) - cant wait!!!:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Dr_Phil wrote: »
    I live here too, but I'd say Filipino, Hindu, Lithuanian, Slovakian, Polish maybe after these... Unless "Polish" became a universal word that is to replace "foreign" in all aspects? This sort of ignorance drives me mad.

    "hindu" isn't a person/people This sort of ignorance drives me mad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Dr_Phil


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    "hindu" isn't a person/people This sort of ignorance drives me mad.
    Hindi, Hindi, Hindi language I meant :) Mistake.

    Anyway, evening is way to nice to waste it in threads like this.


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  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    "hindu" isn't a person/people This sort of ignorance drives me mad.

    Really? It's an easy mistake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    "hindu" isn't a person/people This sort of ignorance drives me mad.

    But Hindi is a language.

    Anyhow, I've found some immigrants to be very pass-commentary when speaking among themselves. Perhaps no different to the 'Hector' stunt of cheekily commenting as gaeilge in front of people who don't understand, but rude nonetheless.

    I was on a bus recently and there were a couple of Russian speaking guys being really quite pig ignorant about all the women who got on or off the bus.
    Size of their tits, which one's they'd bang, then a big long debate about how ugly they reckoned Irish girls were - fat, don't look after themselves, bad skin, they had a long list.

    My Russian's fairly rusty, but I was well able to get the gist, and they were happy to natter away in this offensive fashion assuming no one understood.
    When I got off the bus, I couldn't stop myself from letting them know they'd been overheard.

    I said something along the lines of "Если вы не любите оно здесь, то пойдите назад к Россия и умрите отравления спирта", only a bit meatier.
    Or, to put it in a way that would be understood, "If you don't like it here in Ireland, p1ss off back to Russia and drop dead of alcohol poisoning, you c*nts."

    I don't particularly mind people passing a quick word among themselves in shops. It's usually work-related and saves any confusion. "How much for this loaf?" in their own native tongue might get a more rapid and accurate answer than both people flailing in what is not always very fluent English.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭born2bwild


    We're lucky to have these people living here. We should make an effort to learn some of their languages.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    But Hindi is a language.

    Anyhow, I've found some immigrants to be very pass-commentary when speaking among themselves. Perhaps no different to the 'Hector' stunt of cheekily commenting as gaeilge in front of people who don't understand, but rude nonetheless.

    I was on a bus recently and there were a couple of Russian speaking guys being really quite pig ignorant about all the women who got on or off the bus.
    Size of their tits, which one's they'd bang, then a big long debate about how ugly they reckoned Irish girls were - fat, don't look after themselves, bad skin, they had a long list.

    My Russian's fairly rusty, but I was well able to get the gist, and they were happy to natter away in this offensive fashion assuming no one understood.
    When I got off the bus, I couldn't stop myself from letting them know they'd been overheard.

    I said something along the lines of "Если вы не любите оно здесь, то пойдите назад к Россия и умрите отравления спирта", only a bit meatier.
    Or, to put it in a way that would be understood, "If you don't like it here in Ireland, p1ss off back to Russia and drop dead of alcohol poisoning, you c*nts."

    I don't particularly mind people passing a quick word among themselves in shops. It's usually work-related and saves any confusion. "How much for this loaf?" in their own native tongue might get a more rapid and accurate answer than both people flailing in what is not always very fluent English.

    i never argued this ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Rockery Woman


    born2bwild wrote: »
    We're lucky to have these people living here. We should make an effort to learn some of their languages.

    Im lucky anyway - one of my best friends is from Poland:D

    When my husband was in hospital for a week my friend phoned me every evening to ask how he was and if I was ok, sent me funny e-mails and brought me a beautiful cake his missus baked for me. Friends like him are very hard to come by!

    And he tries his best to teach me Polish... and I am completely useless, we usually all end up in stitches laughing at my pathetic efforts at pronounication! I know some of the basics though thanks to his patience!:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    irish-stew wrote: »
    If they are speking to a customer, no. If they are speaking amoungst each other, wouldn't annoy me but would find it a bit rude. I have seen in some shops the supervisor/manager pull them up on it.

    Yep.
    tasha200 wrote: »
    have to say the irish have done a great job integrating over the years also lol.. couldnt care less as long as they are doing there job, if they spoke swahili... Im not interested in their conversations wether in english irish or whatever, as long as Im not waiting in line and I am served etc... infact, you could say the same about cork people etc. lol.. what you going to say 'speak the queens english'.?????.............. lol
    i dnt no......wht gng here.....durp......................??????????

    Pot kettle.

    freckly wrote: »
    Not in the slightest! I worked abroad and babbled away in English to my colleagues because they spoke English to me. One day another colleague made a complaint about this at the staff meeting and the boss told her to cop on (a phrase he must have learned from me!). As long as workers here have enough English to communicate with the customer, who cares what they speak to each other!

    There's the problem as far as I'm concerned.
    Nobody should, in my opinion, be empoyed here unless they have the ability to speak English properly.

    A quick example would be of my experience in my local pharmacy last month.
    I handed in my prescription, but the doctor had not put my address on it.

    The lady behind the counter was African.
    She proceeded to ask for my address. I told her my address three times. She eventually handed me a post-it, pointed to it and said the word "Address".
    I had to write my address down for her because she could not speak English.

    A basic knowledge of the English alphabet would have helped her. All I would have had to do was to spell the address.
    I tried that, but she still could not understand what I was saying.

    Just for clarity, I do not have a strong accent. In fact, I have been told on many occasions that I am very well spoken.

    At the end of the day, it's a case of "when in Rome".
    If you go to Germany, do not expect the Germans to cater to your lack of German. The same applies to any country on this planet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Rockery Woman


    At the end of the day, it's a case of "when in Rome".
    If you go to Germany, do not expect the Germans to cater to your lack of German. The same applies to any country on this planet.[/QUOTE]

    Ive been to Germany - my German is not very good, I know the basics. I did find people very helpful though probably because I made an effort.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    There's the thing, Rockery Woman. You made an effort.
    The woman mentioned above did not.

    I studied German for a few months. I cannot speak German, but I know the alphabet. Were someone to spell a german word out to me, I would be able to write it down.
    In saying that, if I was to move to Germany, I would make a concerted effort to learn the local language, and not expect the German people to cater to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Obaraten wrote: »
    I had this once where a Latvian commented on my tshirt saying it was gay,she was rather surprised when i answered her back in Russian;)

    I'd say she was, seeing as they speak Latvian. :pac:

    (I know, I know, Russian is the second standard language)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Amongst themselves when they're not serving? Wouldn't bother me in the least - and that's not to be "PC", why wouldn't it simply be a person's view?
    As if the naysayers on this thread wouldn't speak in English to English-speaking colleagues if they were doing similar work in a non English-speaking country. As for being annoyed at how it sounds, or being paranoid that they're talking about you... wtf?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭easyeason3


    No it doesn't bother me at all.
    It does bother me that the fool in front of me has waited until everything they brought to the till is scanned in before they go about packing it up in bags :mad:
    It's great if I catch the cashiers eye & throw my eyes up to heaven as if to say 'ffs, that clown is holding everything up' & they do the same to let me know they're as pissed off as I am. No language barrier there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    When on holidays always make an effort.

    I was in Rome, knew very little Italian but once you try and make an attempt the locals appreciate it and will help you out :)

    On another note, the drivers in Rome are lunatics :eek:
    Worse then anything I've seen in Ireland, it's all so agressive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    I can't believe something like this is even worth a thread it's so insignificant
    an issue, next we'll have people complaining about people at the till in
    general speaking amongst each other because our own personal expectations
    of these people is that they are in the shop to work & not be human, they
    can talk all they like when they're off the job. Of course this all stems from
    a persons own paranoia and lack of self-confidence (ooh, complete strangers
    might be laughing at me & that affects me somehow & we all know they have nothing better to talk
    about than me).
    but why go all introspective & look at our own issues when
    we can just give out about how others choose to communicate in a manner
    that is natural to them, it's so much easier that way & they are just for'nurs
    anyway so obviously they aren't even trying & most definitely aren't going
    through hell doing multiple language courses or anything so yeah, double jobbers out!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭plein de force


    no not really. just take my money give me whatever im buying and i don't really give a monkeys


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭easyeason3


    When on holidays always make an effort.

    I was in Rome, knew very little Italian but once you try and make an attempt the locals appreciate it and will help you out :)

    On another note, the drivers in Rome are lunatics :eek:
    Worse then anything I've seen in Ireland, it's all so agressive


    Speak English words slowly & with an accent?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Columbia


    I quite like it to be honest, I find it wonderful that I can head down to the shops and hear several different languages being spoken.

    As long as they have an appropriate level of English for their job, then I don't see why allowing people to speak their own language amongst their compatriots is a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭johnn


    Only ignorant people don't speak English in this day and age.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 de Lehman Bruddars


    They should also be encouraged to send as much of their wages as possible out if the country. Wages that are funded with borrowed money. Of course if an Irish person goes to their country they can't even get a job, or buy anything without getting ripped off.

    Anyone who disagrees with this is obviously racist.


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