You are not a f*cking DJ. You’re an overpaid, untalented, cake-throwing c*nt.

Is mise le key wrote: »

But your a socialist at heart

What a way to live, you really beleive in something but discredit it as fantasy that can never be realised and turn then to advocate & endorse a system you have already said you are not aligned with,

Like I said, I'm a realist. Socialism doesn't work.

ianuss wrote: »

Like I said, I'm a realist. Socialism doesn't work.

So your not a socialist at heart, or a capitalist, we'll leave it i think.

Is mise le key wrote: »

But your a socialist at heart

What a way to live, you really beleive in something but discredit it as fantasy that can never be realised and turn then to advocate & endorse a system you have already said you are not aligned with,

it's the case for me too. is mise you're absolutely correct in your assumption there in my case anyway.

In an ideal world, where people weren't so bloody retarded (listen to yesterday's Joe Duffy show for proof), socialism would work. But people are stupid, and others are not, and others are lazy and others are not.

And as I argued earlier in this thread, the sociopolitical system that offers the least resistance to our fundamental nature (both as a society and at an individual level) is the one that's going to win out eventually.

To me, capitalism gives us enough room to be the greedy monkeys we truly are.
That's not to say it should be free market capitalism all the way, it should be controlled as much as is possible for the general good.

It's why I'd vote Labour even though I'm not a 'worker' in the Marxist sense. It's the same reason I love seeing resistance to globalisation but don't buy into most of the leftist groups manifestos or ideals.

With socioeconomic systems, there really is no black and white solutions, just lots of different ideas that have their respective strengths and flaws.

It's as easy as falling off a log to truly believe in a socialist ideology, as any sort of market transaction (including the transaction of labour) can be seen as being exploitative.
But when you view things from an economist's perspective, it can be seen as being totally dependent on incentives, and that makes sense too.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that each model of looking at society seems completely valid within it's own sphere of thinking. There's an underlying rationale in most of them.

Which way we look at society should be determined in a pragmatic way imo. Whatever works for the people as a whole should be the way forward. Unfortunately, thinking that there's some sort of noble proletariat out there is simply delusional. There's not.
The proletariat is mainly made up of people nowadays who turned down oppurtunity in favour of living off the state.
And I don't blame them.
The state incentivised having babies with no means of providing for them and I know if I was 17 and had a kid, and had the choice between working 40 hours a week (in manual labour) for an extra 100 quid than I'd be getting on the dole, there's not a chance I'd do it.

Anywho, I'#m, rambling

ianuss wrote: »

You should check out part 2. Great photos in it, there's a well nasty pick of a matador getting done by a bull.

thats the one that got me the most :eek:, or the one with all the bodies:(

grim but great pics

electrogrimey wrote: »

I reckon we ban actual debate in here and keep it to stupid links and witty stories.

So you want the thread closed then?

electrogrimey wrote: »

I reckon we ban actual debate in here and keep it to stupid links and witty stories.

Agreed.

my highlight of the year is the joe duffy rubberbandits fiasco.

BaZmO* wrote: »

Highlight of the Year and Post of the Year within an hour?

Jaysis, you're having a great evening so far Jeff.

yeah that or I've had a sh1te year!

Android 666 wrote: »

Was that you on Fade Street tonight Frankie. I thought I'd seen that fringe before...

Nope, just watched it here, not me anyway!

Man those sapphires are great.

As you might know I'm a bit of a hater on alternative therapists/nutritionists/homeopathists/quacks, and if you want to read about how awful awful awful bullsh1t pseudoscience has actually caused thousands of deaths in South Africa already take a read of this....

http://badscience.net/files/The-Doctor-Will-Sue-You-Now.pdf

If any of you are looking for a christmas read, go get Goldacre's book 'Bad Science'. Can't recommend it enough.

francois wrote: »

I'm a big fan-excellent book.

it really is. his blog is excellent too. i must be getting old because goldacre's a bit of a geeky hero to me nowadays.

jtsuited wrote: »

As you might know I'm a bit of a hater on alternative therapists/nutritionists/homeopathists/quacks,

I thought that you just a bit of a hater of everything!! :pac:

Might actually check that out over the Christmas. I've a pile of stuff to get through though.