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Postcodes already?

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  • #32
    paulhardman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭paulhardman


    Yep, it's...

    0118 999 881 999 119 725 3


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is this just advertising or is it actually the postcode system the government have been on about the last few years? Saw some of these in Fairview tonight.
    paulhardman wrote: »
    Yep, it's...

    0118 999 881 999 119 725 3

    This reminded me of Irish Rail, the railcar formerly numbered 2717 is now 95 60 0127170 - 2


  • #34
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Shenshen wrote: »
    ...Why would Ireland need 8 characters for? The country isn't THAT big!


    Because we of course would just have to be different.:rolleyes:


  • #35
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,784 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    8 characters for post code is completely taking the PI$$ (10 including the dashes ) FFS in most cases it would not be shorter than the phone number


    we have 1.5 million addresses (and it's not like there will be a load of new houses any time soon)

    to give a unique reference for individual houses three letters followed by two numbers would be more than enough or if you can mix them up then four alphanumerics would do

    Then again Italy get by on just 5 digits, so for here 4 would be overkill
    Or look at the US with 5 digits , so maybe we should use 3 ???



    http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/An+Post+Parcel+Services.htm
    Every working day we deliver more than 3 million items to over 1.5 million addresses up and down the country


    I quite like the way I can give out my address in Irish and have post arrive without people finding my location without a bit of detective work.


  • #36
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    lol. tools.


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  • #37
    OldGoat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    mfceiling wrote: »
    It's to make life easier for us.

    Next year they are replacing 999 112 with an easy to remember 16 digit number........again making life easier for us.
    :rolleyes:

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • #38
    PCPhoto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    there has been a postcode system in place at An Post for years - but they dont want it in general use because that would allow "outside" companies to compete for business.

    Its all a conspiracy I tells ya !!

    Seriously tho .... I'd like to know if the signage is an advert or if its an official postcode ...looks like a marketing thing for garmin - they have invested in the loc8 postal codes and are pushing it until the government agree with them and use their postcodes.

    (in effect they are trying to put a system in place so that by the time the government actually do bring in post codes ...Garmin can just say .... we have a system in place ..it will cost the government nothing to adopt it ....but other Sat Nav companies will have to pay.... and with the government being as inept as they are....they'll happily adopt it because they dont have to do anything)


  • #39
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,495 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    tman wrote: »
    Does seem a bit fecking long mind you - if the UK can make do with 7 characters for a basic postcode (minus the DPS), does Ireland really need 8?...

    The 8 is actually 7 plus a checker, as described here.

    The UK system has three additional characters (delivery point suffix and checksum digit) which are used for unique addressing, mostly for commercial post.

    The fundamental difference between the two systems is that UK postcodes are population weighted, whereas Garmin's is coordinate-based. Postcodes are more logical for delivering post, Garmin's is more logical for generally locating things.

    The UK system is far from perfect - there are major practical issues with new addresses. I lived in a flat in SW London which had a new postcode, and for years we had misdelivered post caused by address "correction" software using out of date databases. If you don't have a postcode in the UK you have serious problems.

    The Garmin system would be more stable, and makes sense in a world where GPS technology is commoditized.

    That said, the copyright/licensing angle is bullsh!t. It's an obvious system covered by much prior art. There are plenty of free systems (e.g. the various country-specific grid systems) which just have slightly longer references.


  • #40
    Ponster
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    I created a Loc8 for my parents house in Tipperary and for what is the first time ever I can comfortable order stuff on the 'net and as long as the transporter has a Garmin satnav and know that it'll get there without me being called in France to direct the van or having to explain that the house is the second on the right after taking the second left after the "Ormond Stores", before you get to the big tree...etc...

    For the first time this year I was able to have flowers delivered for my mum's birthday without the florist calling her to get directions.


  • #41
    positron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,451 ✭✭✭positron


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    8 characters for post code is completely taking the PI$$ (10 including the dashes ) FFS in most cases it would not be shorter than the phone number


    we have 1.5 million addresses (and it's not like there will be a load of new houses any time soon)

    to give a unique reference for individual houses three letters followed by two numbers would be more than enough or if you can mix them up then four alphanumerics would do

    Then again Italy get by on just 5 digits, so for here 4 would be overkill
    Or look at the US with 5 digits , so maybe we should use 3 ???



    http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/An+Post+Parcel+Services.htm


    I quite like the way I can give out my address in Irish and have post arrive without people finding my location without a bit of detective work.


    Just checked the one on Italy using the following link, and a 5 digit code represents an area of the town, it doesn't appear to be as specific as the UK's post code.

    http://www.getapostcode.com/en/italy/pluri/roma/

    India, with 1.2 billion people, have a pin code (PIN - Postal Index Number) system with just 6 digits. However, each code is refers to a post office, and each post office could have many square kilometers of area under their remit.

    the systems that exist in UK, India etc are to aid postal system - to help routing mail, where as the loc8 is to geographically locate something in the map. Two different things really. Also I would imagine loc8 system can not support non-geographic entities, like in the UK for example, they have all codes set aside for defense, big institutions etc.


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  • #42
    Irish Halo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Irish Halo


    PCPhoto wrote: »
    Seriously tho .... I'd like to know if the signage is an advert or if its an official postcode ...looks like a marketing thing for garmin - they have invested in the loc8 postal codes and are pushing it until the government agree with them and use their postcodes.
    It appears to be an ad - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69544417&postcount=467
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69557411&postcount=477


  • #43
    phill106
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭phill106


    just got my loc8 code and saw on the map that it shows my neighbours shed as being another house in his garden!


  • #44
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    phill106 wrote: »
    just got my loc8 code and saw on the map that it shows my neighbours shed as being another house in his garden!

    You live in Cabra next door to a dodgy copper, don't you.
    Release those poor shed people.


  • #45
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Fart wrote: »
    Haha... Fisting Street.

    Maybe it should read "West More-Hand Street" :P


  • #46
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,784 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Ponster wrote: »
    I created a Loc8 for my parents house in Tipperary and for what is the first time ever I can comfortable order stuff on the 'net and as long as the transporter has a Garmin satnav
    says it all really

    if you used latitude and longitude then people with any brand of sat nav or smart phone or paper map would be able to get there :rolleyes:


  • #47
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    mickdw wrote: »
    Is it advertising for the garmin loc8 code system. It is very good and can locate any particuar house in the country.

    So can a fcukin postman.


  • #48
    wonderfulname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    So can a fcukin postman.

    Ha, good one - try living down the country. New postman in an area with no house numbers and lots of the same surname, yeah that works a treat. In fact new postman or not they still get confused and post winds up all over the place.

    Those signs are really working though - googling them leads to -amongst equally helpful links- this wonderful thread explaining exactly what it is, how it works and where to find it. It even has an overall positive feel to it. Even with a slap on the wrist from DCC Garmin is laughing. In fact they're probably hoping for some airtime for that and its viewed as more positive than anything.


  • #49
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,784 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    7CorkStD8 - so for some places the post code would be longer than their existing address :rolleyes:


  • #50
    kincsem
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    I accept progress (in any direction.)


  • #51
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,819 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I think its excellent. I dont know why people are complaining about it being 8 digit code. This locates single properties regardless of how remote the property. The 6 digit uk system doesnt locate properties in this way.
    Seeing as garmin have come up with this system, I dont see why the government shouldnt use it, pay garmin a one off fee similar to what they would have paid to consultants if getting their own system off the ground and then get full free access to this system across the board.


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  • #52
    homer911
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,066 ✭✭✭homer911


    This is not a Post Code - Its a geo-location code, which is very different!

    A post code needs to make sense without a computer - if a post man looked at a geo-code he wouldnt have a clue where to go, but a proper post code is easy to understand for anyone who works with them on a daily basis


  • #53
    Fukuyama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    Seen one just like it yesterday at the top of Talbot Street at the Connolly Station end! Appears PostCodes are coming in!

    EDIT: just read he thread... sorry... I'm leaving now.

    *gets coat, hat, dame... and leaves quietly*


  • #54
    RMD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    Don't see why people are complaining about this. If it takes off all major delivery companies will fit every truck out with Garmin, meaning instead of going up and down unknown backroads in the countryside or looking for a house in that seemingly never ending street, they can get the location of it within a few meters. No more problems finding houses again.

    Same goes for the average person to, driving down to friends / relatives in the country? Bang in their postcode into your Garmin and it will more than likely take you straight to their house or within meters of it.

    You don't need to use this system, it just helps and is a clever marketing ploy by Garmin.


  • #55
    wonderfulname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    homer911 wrote: »
    This is not a Post Code - Its a geo-location code, which is very different!

    A post code needs to make sense without a computer - if a post man looked at a geo-code he wouldnt have a clue where to go, but a proper post code is easy to understand for anyone who works with them on a daily basis

    Yes he would;
    How Loc8 Codes define your location
    Loc8 Codes are easy to remember and work with Latitude & Longitude or Grid. Their structure is very easy too understand. For Example, our office Loc8 Code is W8L-82-4YK.

    The "W" defines a 90km square which covers most of Cork. The First Character of a Loc8 Code will always be a letter.
    The Second two characters can be either letters or numbers and define an approximate 3.5 km square zone within the area of "W".
    The following two numbers define an even smaller area - metres in fact. The next two Characters, "4Y", combined with the first 3, define a 120 meter square locality.
    The last character "K" is the checker code which is used to check all the other characters in the code. You can find a ZONE by using just the First 3 characters or a LOCALITY by dropping the numbers between the dashes.
    link

    You should have looked it up instead of just assuming - English post codes make no sense to me that doesn't mean nobody can read them.


  • #56
    Nadser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Nadser


    Down with post codes!

    I like the fact that no-one knows exactly where I live except for the postman. The way it stands now, if people send me something to anywhere within about a 10 mile radius, it will get to me. If we had post codes, I can see a lot more post going missing if people don't get it exactly right.

    Also, I really don't like the idea of a commercial company deciding our addresses!


  • #57
    lawhec
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭lawhec


    mickdw wrote: »
    I think its excellent. I dont know why people are complaining about it being 8 digit code. This locates single properties regardless of how remote the property. The 6 digit uk system doesnt locate properties in this way.
    The UK postcode on its own doesn't locate a single property, but if a building number or name is attached to it, then the mail can be successfully delivered to that property without a street name, town etc. For example if I live in 25 Ballyhackballs Avenue, Crumlinsville, Co. Dubath and my postcode is CS54 7DH, the any mail that is simply addressed "25 <line_break> CS54 7DH" can still reach where I live as those two bits of information are unique together. Most postcodes up here are not so much population allocated, but depend on a variety of factors, mainly a unique on for a street, estate etc. Some buildings in Britain (I can't remember which ones though) have their own unique postcode. Some streets or estates have different postcodes depending if the number of your house is odd or even. Some postcodes in urban areas might service hundreds of buildings, in some very isolated areas, a postcode may serve less than a handful of properties.


  • #58
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Give a, give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin
    Give a, give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin

    I hope that whoever wrote that song, dies a long painful death.

    The composer was was murdered in 1921 so it was probably relatively quick and painless I'm afraid. ;)


  • #59
    finty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 266 ✭✭finty


    God people would complain about anything.

    A proper postcode system would make deliveries for everyone both business and consumer simpler as well as improving competition, service and cost.


  • #60
    finty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 266 ✭✭finty


    Nadser wrote: »
    Down with post codes!

    I like the fact that no-one knows exactly where I live except for the postman. The way it stands now, if people send me something to anywhere within about a 10 mile radius, it will get to me. If we had post codes, I can see a lot more post going missing if people don't get it exactly right.

    Also, I really don't like the idea of a commercial company deciding our addresses!

    The commercial company hasn't decided your address only designed a system that allows you to inform people how to find you, if and when you want to.

    An Post being the only people who know your address allows them a monopoly so they can charge too much and provide a crappy service.......and what can you do about it, nothing


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  • #61
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    finty wrote: »
    God people would complain about anything.

    A proper postcode system would make deliveries for everyone both business and consumer simpler as well as improving competition, service and cost.

    Definately needed IMO because the the amount of couriers in this country who just couldn't be arsed finding an address that doesn't contain a street and a house number is astonishing


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