Postcodes already?

Tenger

Anyone know anything about this sign on the corner at Westmoreland Street?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tearbringer/5263293906/

I knew postcodes were planned but this doesn't seem like a 'postal code'....and then there is the Garmin sponsorship.....

There are also some at at the corner of Dorset and Frederick Sts.

AntiMatter

Welcome to the New World Order.

Jim was right, after all.

FatherLen

so garmin are taking over you say?
i for one welcome our new satellite navigational overlords.
give-a give-a give-a garmin

mickdw

Is it advertising for the garmin loc8 code system. It is very good and can locate any particuar house in the country.

Fart

Haha... Fisting Street.

positron

Rest of the world has post codes for donkeys years really, and if the system here wasn't clever enough to figure out how useful these are, I am glad loc8 is doing this now, I just hope this gets more popular.

orourkeda

Can people not just use the address anymore?

biko

Since the summer.

A completely new postcode system for all Ireland was launched in Dublin today, with support from Garmin and Enterprise Ireland.

Developed by Cork-based company Loc8 Code Ltd, the code system allows anyone to find their own property, location, service or point on a map and to have that position turned into an eight character code. This code can be used as a reference for others or to allow the specified address to be located directly on the Loc8code.com website.

The codes are generated based on longitude and latitude, but an algorithm which generates the final code takes the difficulty in handling coordinates out of the hands of users, where confusion can arise.

Read more: http://www.techcentral.ie/article.aspx?id=15318#ixzz18BRpHdiu

AnonoBoy

But there's already a postcode on that sign.

At the end.

2.

positron

orourkeda wrote: »

Can people not just use the address anymore?

There must be plenty of other good reasons if many people thought about this some 70 years ago, and has been using it ever since?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_code#History

History

Postal codes were first introduced in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in December 1932,[1] but the system was abandoned in 1939. The next country to introduce postal codes was Germany in 1941,[2] followed by Argentina in 1958, the United Kingdom in 1959,[3] the United States in 1963[4] and Switzerland in 1964.[5]

Tenger

Thanks for that. So its a sat nav based code. Was thinking that it seemed a bit complex for a postcode........

sensibleken

ffs, what wrong with the one we have now? Its easy. Dublin 1. grand i know where that is 66fdknlkm57687. Oh grand, thats made things simpler.

It like when we moved to the modern car regs in 86 or 87. Year-county-order registered. It was a big 'duh, why havent we been doing this all along'. and its regulary complimented by particulary boring visitors of how sensible it is.

Shenshen

Wow, those are rather lengthy postcodes. Most of the world's countries make do with around 5-6 characters...

Why would Ireland need 8 characters for? The country isn't THAT big!

deirdre_dub

mickdw wrote: »

Is it advertising for the garmin loc8 code system. It is very good and can locate any particuar house in the country.

It is, by the looks of it, someone trying to create, then corner, a market in these "postcodes". Basically someone has figured out a simple mathematical algorithm of translating latitude and longitude into these "codes". They are patenting the algorithm, and they are now trying to make their codes "official".

Have a look at the licensing page - http://www.myloc8ion.com/licensing

The good news is that I suspect/hope their entire business can be destroyed by someone coming up with a similar system, and releasing the details and algorithms for free.

starbelgrade

Give a, give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin
Give a, give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin

I hope that whoever wrote that song, dies a long painful death.

Dravokivich

starbelgrade wrote: »

Give a, give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin
Give a, give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin

I hope that whoever wrote that song, dies a long painful death.

Doesn't help none when you perform the encore :mad:!

TheZohanS

TomTom > Garmin

Caco

sensibleken wrote: »

ffs, what wrong with the one we have now? Its easy. Dublin 1. grand i know where that is 66fdknlkm57687. Oh grand, thats made things simpler.

Yeah it really boggles the mind as there are no other postal areas outside of Dublin :rolleyes:

Giblet

Shenshen wrote: »

Wow, those are rather lengthy postcodes. Most of the world's countries make do with around 5-6 characters...

Why would Ireland need 8 characters for? The country isn't THAT big!

It's more accurate. I have a postcode for my sofa!

sensibleken

Caco wrote: »

Yeah it really boggles the mind as there are no other postal areas outside of Dublin :rolleyes:

Does your post get lost?

positron

Don't know about Caco, but I have seen loads of mails coming to me, when it's supposed to go to another part of the estate (same house number, different area of the estate). I am sure some of my post is ending up there too.

sensibleken

positron wrote: »

Don't know about Caco, but I have seen loads of mails coming to me, when it's supposed to go to another part of the estate (same house number, different area of the estate). I am sure some of my post is ending up there too.

you have a drunk postman

smk89

From living in the north postcodes make everything. But they have to be used universally or their useless. Just 8 letters identifies a street in the UK

Shenshen

Giblet wrote: »

It's more accurate. I have a postcode for my sofa!

With 8 characters, I'll end up having one for my tea pot!

Shenshen

sensibleken wrote: »

Does your post get lost?

I've had a good few letters lost in the mail.
And I keep getting other people's mail on a quite regular basis. And I don't even live in a place with a name that exists several times in Ireland.

SirLemonhead

Caco wrote: »

Yeah it really boggles the mind as there are no other postal areas outside of Dublin :rolleyes:

Boggers the mind indeed! :pac:

Caco

sensibleken wrote: »

Does your post get lost?

Mostly not that I'm aware of... but then how would I know

There was a few occurrences recently though of bills I didn't receive- I registered with my full address but the company deleted my street address from their system (but left the house number, town & county!) If there was a postcode included in my address, the mail would have reached me

The biggest benefit I can see is website forms with a mandatory postcode field which don't accept 'NA' or '0000'!

upmeath

starbelgrade wrote: »

Give a, give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin
Give a, give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin

I hope that whoever wrote that song, dies a long painful death.

Carol of the Bells? The composer died in 1921.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Leontovych

orourkeda

starbelgrade wrote: »

Give a, give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin
Give a, give a, give a, give a, give a Garmin

I hope that whoever wrote that song, dies a long painful death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBgHTJOsi6c&feature=related

tman

sensibleken wrote: »

ffs, what wrong with the one we have now? Its easy. Dublin 1. grand i know where that is 66fdknlkm57687. Oh grand, thats made things simpler.

2 slight problems with that...

1. There's the rest of the boglands outside of the pale to consider
2. That postcode is clearly meant to refer to a specific location, D1 is just a vague area...

Does seem a bit fecking long mind you - if the UK can make do with 7 characters for a basic postcode (minus the DPS), does Ireland really need 8?...

mfceiling

It's to make life easier for us.

Next year they are replacing 999 with an easy to remember 16 digit number........again making life easier for us.

paulhardman

Yep, it's...

0118 999 881 999 119 725 3

paulhardman

Is this just advertising or is it actually the postcode system the government have been on about the last few years? Saw some of these in Fairview tonight.

paulhardman wrote: »

Yep, it's...

0118 999 881 999 119 725 3

This reminded me of Irish Rail, the railcar formerly numbered 2717 is now 95 60 0127170 - 2

Son Of A Vidic

Shenshen wrote: »

...Why would Ireland need 8 characters for? The country isn't THAT big!

Because we of course would just have to be different.:rolleyes:

Capt'n Midnight

8 characters for post code is completely taking the PI$$ (10 including the dashes ) FFS in most cases it would not be shorter than the phone number


we have 1.5 million addresses (and it's not like there will be a load of new houses any time soon)

to give a unique reference for individual houses three letters followed by two numbers would be more than enough or if you can mix them up then four alphanumerics would do

Then again Italy get by on just 5 digits, so for here 4 would be overkill
Or look at the US with 5 digits , so maybe we should use 3 ???



http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/An+Post+Parcel+Services.htm

Every working day we deliver more than 3 million items to over 1.5 million addresses up and down the country

I quite like the way I can give out my address in Irish and have post arrive without people finding my location without a bit of detective work.

Jesus Wept

lol. tools.

OldGoat

mfceiling wrote: »

It's to make life easier for us.

Next year they are replacing 999 112 with an easy to remember 16 digit number........again making life easier for us.

:rolleyes:

PCPhoto

there has been a postcode system in place at An Post for years - but they dont want it in general use because that would allow "outside" companies to compete for business.

Its all a conspiracy I tells ya !!

Seriously tho .... I'd like to know if the signage is an advert or if its an official postcode ...looks like a marketing thing for garmin - they have invested in the loc8 postal codes and are pushing it until the government agree with them and use their postcodes.

(in effect they are trying to put a system in place so that by the time the government actually do bring in post codes ...Garmin can just say .... we have a system in place ..it will cost the government nothing to adopt it ....but other Sat Nav companies will have to pay.... and with the government being as inept as they are....they'll happily adopt it because they dont have to do anything)

Lumen

tman wrote: »

Does seem a bit fecking long mind you - if the UK can make do with 7 characters for a basic postcode (minus the DPS), does Ireland really need 8?...

The 8 is actually 7 plus a checker, as described here.

The UK system has three additional characters (delivery point suffix and checksum digit) which are used for unique addressing, mostly for commercial post.

The fundamental difference between the two systems is that UK postcodes are population weighted, whereas Garmin's is coordinate-based. Postcodes are more logical for delivering post, Garmin's is more logical for generally locating things.

The UK system is far from perfect - there are major practical issues with new addresses. I lived in a flat in SW London which had a new postcode, and for years we had misdelivered post caused by address "correction" software using out of date databases. If you don't have a postcode in the UK you have serious problems.

The Garmin system would be more stable, and makes sense in a world where GPS technology is commoditized.

That said, the copyright/licensing angle is bullsh!t. It's an obvious system covered by much prior art. There are plenty of free systems (e.g. the various country-specific grid systems) which just have slightly longer references.

Ponster

I created a Loc8 for my parents house in Tipperary and for what is the first time ever I can comfortable order stuff on the 'net and as long as the transporter has a Garmin satnav and know that it'll get there without me being called in France to direct the van or having to explain that the house is the second on the right after taking the second left after the "Ormond Stores", before you get to the big tree...etc...

For the first time this year I was able to have flowers delivered for my mum's birthday without the florist calling her to get directions.

positron

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

8 characters for post code is completely taking the PI$$ (10 including the dashes ) FFS in most cases it would not be shorter than the phone number


we have 1.5 million addresses (and it's not like there will be a load of new houses any time soon)

to give a unique reference for individual houses three letters followed by two numbers would be more than enough or if you can mix them up then four alphanumerics would do

Then again Italy get by on just 5 digits, so for here 4 would be overkill
Or look at the US with 5 digits , so maybe we should use 3 ???



http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/An+Post+Parcel+Services.htm


I quite like the way I can give out my address in Irish and have post arrive without people finding my location without a bit of detective work.

Just checked the one on Italy using the following link, and a 5 digit code represents an area of the town, it doesn't appear to be as specific as the UK's post code.

http://www.getapostcode.com/en/italy/pluri/roma/

India, with 1.2 billion people, have a pin code (PIN - Postal Index Number) system with just 6 digits. However, each code is refers to a post office, and each post office could have many square kilometers of area under their remit.

the systems that exist in UK, India etc are to aid postal system - to help routing mail, where as the loc8 is to geographically locate something in the map. Two different things really. Also I would imagine loc8 system can not support non-geographic entities, like in the UK for example, they have all codes set aside for defense, big institutions etc.

Irish Halo

PCPhoto wrote: »

Seriously tho .... I'd like to know if the signage is an advert or if its an official postcode ...looks like a marketing thing for garmin - they have invested in the loc8 postal codes and are pushing it until the government agree with them and use their postcodes.

It appears to be an ad - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69544417&postcount=467
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69557411&postcount=477

phill106

just got my loc8 code and saw on the map that it shows my neighbours shed as being another house in his garden!

jackiebaron

phill106 wrote: »

just got my loc8 code and saw on the map that it shows my neighbours shed as being another house in his garden!

You live in Cabra next door to a dodgy copper, don't you.
Release those poor shed people.

jackiebaron

Fart wrote: »

Haha... Fisting Street.

Maybe it should read "West More-Hand Street" :P

Capt'n Midnight

Ponster wrote: »

I created a Loc8 for my parents house in Tipperary and for what is the first time ever I can comfortable order stuff on the 'net and as long as the transporter has a Garmin satnav

says it all really

if you used latitude and longitude then people with any brand of sat nav or smart phone or paper map would be able to get there :rolleyes:

jackiebaron

mickdw wrote: »

Is it advertising for the garmin loc8 code system. It is very good and can locate any particuar house in the country.

So can a fcukin postman.

wonderfulname

jackiebaron wrote: »

So can a fcukin postman.

Ha, good one - try living down the country. New postman in an area with no house numbers and lots of the same surname, yeah that works a treat. In fact new postman or not they still get confused and post winds up all over the place.

Those signs are really working though - googling them leads to -amongst equally helpful links- this wonderful thread explaining exactly what it is, how it works and where to find it. It even has an overall positive feel to it. Even with a slap on the wrist from DCC Garmin is laughing. In fact they're probably hoping for some airtime for that and its viewed as more positive than anything.

Capt'n Midnight

7CorkStD8 - so for some places the post code would be longer than their existing address :rolleyes:

kincsem

I accept progress (in any direction.)

mickdw

I think its excellent. I dont know why people are complaining about it being 8 digit code. This locates single properties regardless of how remote the property. The 6 digit uk system doesnt locate properties in this way.
Seeing as garmin have come up with this system, I dont see why the government shouldnt use it, pay garmin a one off fee similar to what they would have paid to consultants if getting their own system off the ground and then get full free access to this system across the board.