Fcuking humans

Birdnuts · 11-12-2010 12:45AM

Holybejaysus wrote: »

I think the correct term for these 'people' is Untermensch, or Sub Humans. They fill the void between the Gorilla and Man. They're not strictly an animal as such......but they certainly don't qualify as human either, no matter how low you set the bar.

I've worked with Gorillas in Uganda and they are one of the most peacefull,intelligient creatures one could hope to meet. The way they care for members of their family groups is amazing and astonishingly advanced. There is a gorrilla currently in a research centre in California that can sign-language 600 words making her vocablary more advanced then many members of the human race. All in all I found these magnificient apes more pleasent and stimulating company then many members of the human race I have encountered in my 30 odd years!!

steddyeddy · 11-12-2010 01:42AM

Birdnuts wrote: »

I've worked with Gorillas in Uganda and they are one of the most peacefull,intelligient creatures one could hope to meet. The way they care for members of their family groups is amazing and astonishingly advanced. There is a gorrilla currently in a research centre in California that can sign-language 600 words making her vocablary more advanced then many members of the human race. All in all I found these magnificient apes more pleasent and stimulating company then many members of the human race I have encountered in my 30 odd years!!

I worked with the mountain gorrilas in burundi and have to agree with everything you said. peacefull and thoughtful are how I would describe them. The sickening thing is that gorillas keep to themselves and poachers search them out and kill them for money, sick.

That being said chimps are quite like us in terms of warmongering and aggression!

Holybejaysus · 11-12-2010 02:21AM

You are quite correct Birdnuts, there is no comparison to a Gorilla and Sub Humans. A Gorilla has altruistic qualities.

liah · 11-12-2010 02:25AM

A lot of people posting in this thread have apparently never heard of dolphins.

Dolphins gang rape, bully, kill/wound for fun, torture their own and other species.

It's hardly like we're the only ones who are cruel for no reason.

Holybejaysus · 11-12-2010 02:35AM

liah wrote: »

A lot of people posting in this thread have apparently never heard of dolphins.

Dolphins gang rape, bully, kill/wound for fun, torture their own and other species.

It's hardly like we're the only ones who are cruel for no reason.

I was going to mention that earlier. Mink are also notorious killers, they will destroy anything they come across just for the sake of it.
Polar bears are also lethal-the only true man killer on Earth.

steddyeddy · 11-12-2010 02:47AM

liah wrote: »

A lot of people posting in this thread have apparently never heard of dolphins.

Dolphins gang rape, bully, kill/wound for fun, torture their own and other species.

It's hardly like we're the only ones who are cruel for no reason.

I do agree, as are chimps and baboons. Funningly enough it seems the more intelligent ones. In terms of morals however the point remains we are no better just a different animal with the same morals.

FoxT · 11-12-2010 03:18AM

We are no better than animals. Sure aren't we all animals? Am I missing something?

Guill · 11-12-2010 10:56AM

liah wrote: »

A lot of people posting in this thread have apparently never heard of dolphins.

Dolphins gang rape, bully, kill/wound for fun, torture their own and other species.

It's hardly like we're the only ones who are cruel for no reason.

A Dolphin sold me crack once...

Adyx · 11-12-2010 11:02AM

wyndham wrote: »

You can still get stinger bars. Rip the fillings out of you but worth the risk
.

*Whooosh!*

11-12-2010 11:02AM

Not happy this thread started by taking the p*ss out of a gruesome crime.

irishtimes.com - Four jailed over Wexford death

The victim was treated like a n animal, justice would be the perpatrators being treated the same. Thought of as rabid and put down.......

(We don't do that because we're not animals. but that's the only reason.)

the purple tin · 11-12-2010 11:44AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I worked with the mountain gorrilas in burundi and have to agree with everything you said. peacefull and thoughtful are how I would describe them. The sickening thing is that gorillas keep to themselves and poachers search them out and kill them for money, sick.

That being said chimps are quite like us in terms of warmongering and aggression!

Your right about the wild chimps being very aggressive. I saw on a wildlife show once a gang of chimps battering another one to death because he wandered into their territory.
It was very gruesome stuff, they even tore off his manhood:eek:

the purple tin · 11-12-2010 11:46AM

Guill wrote: »

A Dolphin sold me crack once...

Did he keep it in his blow-hole:o.

steddyeddy · 11-12-2010 02:17PM

the purple tin wrote: »

Your right about the wild chimps being very aggressive. I saw on a wildlife show once a gang of chimps battering another one to death because he wandered into their territory.
It was very gruesome stuff, they even tore off his manhood:eek:

their three times more aggressive than a wolf (citation needed!). They will even invade other chimps territory for the purpose of claiming it for themselves.

inmyday · 11-12-2010 02:37PM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

The world has gone to shit.

Away from the animals human chat. What does this saying mean???? I do not understand it at all, was the world not **** at one stage? Was it super perfect recently or a few centurys ago?
Some might even say the world is better today than ever, especially people ive talked to that lived and fought in ww2

MistyCheese · 11-12-2010 02:45PM

raah! wrote: »

If you think animals are on a level similar or above humans, then perhaps you should be a vegetarian.

Or a cannibal....

ScumLord · 11-12-2010 02:48PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I hate that phrase. Non-human animals have no malice. They kill for food. They fight to defend their territory or to win the affections of a mate. They don't go around killing each other for the hell of it.

This is untrue, humans don't go around killing each other either for the most part. If you see just about any other animal meet another member of it's species it will try to ride it (with or with out consent) fight it, or run from it because the other member of it's species will try to kill it. The only reason human on human violence seems so bad is because it's so rare and those that do it seem completely odd when compared to a persons daily experience with other humans.

Wibbs · 11-12-2010 03:03PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

their three times more aggressive than a wolf (citation needed!).

They wouldnt be fair off alright, though wolves can be highly aggressive and wont think twice about killing others of their kind over territory. They'll specifically target, stalk and take out coyotes and leave the rotting carcass as a warning to others. They're also quite altruistic with members of their pack too. They're not unlike us socially. Certainly more like us than chimps in a lot of ways, which is why we have pet ones all over the world.

They will even invade other chimps territory for the purpose of claiming it for themselves.

Yea and like was mentioned they'll regularly rip off the genitals of rival males to make a point. Almost as a ritualistic thing. They can also be sneaky cowards. They'll attack women and kids in their territory but will avoid grown men. Gorillas are very different. If you dont piss them off they're happy out. I remember a documentary years back about gorillas. I think they were Congolese ones. One of the babies got caught in a hunters snare(not meant for them) and the cameraman loosened it off while the father looked on. Interviews with the locals found that they respected the gorilla, but didnt feel threatened by them, but were very afraid of chimps, especially where their kids were concerned. Bonobos aren't nearly as aggressive though.

Wibbs · 11-12-2010 03:04PM

ScumLord wrote: »

This is untrue, humans don't go around killing each other either for the most part. If you see just about any other animal meet another member of it's species it will try to ride it (with or with out consent) fight it, or run from it because the other member of it's species will try to kill it. The only reason human on human violence seems so bad is because it's so rare and those that do it seem completely odd when compared to a persons daily experience with other humans.

QFT.

Birdnuts · 11-12-2010 06:56PM

ScumLord wrote: »

T The only reason human on human violence seems so bad is because it's so rare .

Thats the oddest statement I've read on here yet

Wibbs · 11-12-2010 07:01PM

How so? Many if not most animals in the wild live with the threat of death by violence on a daily basis. Even apex predators get taken out by their fellows. Very very few animals die of old age. Most humans have at least the chance to do that. It would be a rare day in a chimp troop, were threats of violence or violence itself wouldnt happen. The animal kingdom isnt Disney folks.

marco_polo · 11-12-2010 07:03PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

Thats the oddest statement I've read on here yet

Not odd at all. Do you find the the majority of people you meet on a daily basis kick you in the face or say hello?

ScumLord · 11-12-2010 07:10PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

Thats the oddest statement I've read on here yet

It's not really, if you think about it the vast majority of your daily interactions are probably just fine. You say hello to people, they say hello back. You socialise with friends you share your food, you meet some dick on the way home. He's a dick but no more than a nuisance, you and your friends mock him as you continue on your way home.

We seem to focus way to much on the negative stuff we see on the tv more so than the day to day interactions we actually have.

Compare that to a crow for example, you'd spend your day fighting and competing with your own flock for whatever food you could find and could be prone to an agonising death brought about at any moment by any number of other animals.

Crows would have a relatively good life for a wild animal, they have the smarts to know how to work the human waste systems for food and can fly out of danger but you'll see plenty of them suffering and lying dead around the place.

Birdnuts · 11-12-2010 08:28PM

marco_polo wrote: »

Not odd at all. Do you find the the majority of people you meet on a daily basis kick you in the face or say hello?

Herd animals get on too most of the time, if they didn't they would not live in such structures. Same for flocks of birds etc.

Birdnuts · 11-12-2010 08:31PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It's not really, if you think about it the vast majority of your daily interactions are probably just fine. You say hello to people, they say hello back. You socialise with friends you share your food, you meet some dick on the way home. He's a dick but no more than a nuisance, you and your friends mock him as you continue on your way home.

We seem to focus way to much on the negative stuff we see on the tv more so than the day to day interactions we actually have.

Compare that to a crow for example, you'd spend your day fighting and competing with your own flock for whatever food you could find and could be prone to an agonising death brought about at any moment by any number of other animals.

Crows would have a relatively good life for a wild animal, they have the smarts to know how to work the human waste systems for food and can fly out of danger but you'll see plenty of them suffering and lying dead around the place.

If humans were exposed to the pressures that most other species are, such as food shortages, starvation, cold weather etc. you'd soon find politeness going out the window - as is the case after natural disasters and wars worldwide.

Birdnuts · 11-12-2010 08:35PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The animal kingdom isnt Disney folks.

I'm well aware of that but the fact is that most human suffering is caused by other humans in 2010

landsleaving · 11-12-2010 08:48PM

Surely having the capacity to debate that we are no better than animals immediately disproves that fact?

Fcuking humans

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