Moving guns through town ?

They should be, just if you **have** to carry them in the box, wrap the box up well with a black bag and have proof that you're an airsofter or atleast not an eejit.

well to be honest and im sure Brian and the lads will post here
they dont allow lads show up with stuff in box's its gotta be in a proper bag for transporting and for their own safety and well being make sure they have a bag it will save them a lot of unnecessary attention

CpcRc wrote: »

If they have their certs to prove their guns are under 1 Joule and muzzle caps it wouldn't hurt to have those.

Villafan6 wrote: »

thanks man it helps, I'm just not sure if they'd get away with it without a cert or cap

brotherrabbit wrote: »

Lads the best advise is to have proof on the ratings, have mussel caps and have them in carrier bags so no one sees them and gets spooked. As harmless as they are they may alert members of the public who aren't affiliated with air-soft
Have fun!

I have no idea where the idea that having a piece of paper on you that says it's under 1J would do anything for you if you were stopped and asked to display the bag contents. I can make one of those right here with no effort. Heck, if I spent ten minutes on it I could make it look official. I can make one up right now for a WE P90 GBBr, a device that hasn't made it past prototyping yet (though we can hope...).
If anyone has told you a "1J cert" somehow has any meaning, relevance or legal sway, they're misleading you at best, or outright lying for another purpose at worst.
I have only once ever received such a piece of paper, from a store in the UK who were shipping a rifle to me several years ago. On the paper it clearly stated that the results shown (ten-shot string with results for each) were only valid from time of leaving the store, to time of delivery. It also stated it was for reference only, and had no authority.

I keep hearing this "1J cert" come up, especially with newer players, and it really pïsses me off. I have no idea who is spreading it but it'll land someone in trouble some day, in a situation just like this.

moggser wrote: »

well to be honest and im sure Brian and the lads will post here
they dont allow lads show up with stuff in box's its gotta be in a proper bag for transporting and for their own safety and well being make sure they have a bag it will save them a lot of unnecessary attention

I think this pretty much solves the box question anyway.
A rifle slip should be one of the first accessories you purchase if you intend on skirmishing, really. They're reasonably inexpensive, offer protection to the rifle, convenient storage and appropriate transport. Most airsoft retailers have them, as do most surplus stores (albeit the latter is a tad more expensive).
I wouldn't attempt to go through a city with any airsoft equipment without one, and if the sites rules state you must have one or you'll be turned away, well what more reason do you need.

I'd like to note, also, that while muzzle caps aren't a bad idea, they're not essential. I've never used them, personally, and there's no requirement to do so from sites or authorities. They're usually the first thing to get lost from a new gun too, so if you're already missing it, I wouldn't worry.

That's the problem you see, there are no "official" retailers. Essentially you're just using a meaningless bit of paper to say the rifle might have been producing those figures at one point.

I'm not having a go at you, but someone is spreading that having such a document is all you need, and be damned with what anyone says. I've had people specifically ask me for them in the past (in my capacity selling them) and then get indignant when I said such paperwork was meaningless and useless, telling me they were informed otherwise (by someone I won't name) and inferring other things if they didn't provide same.

I believe there's already a note about it in the getting started section. That's from memory though, so I may be incorrect.

Certified as such at the point it left the store. There's nothing to say one way or another that the item hasn't been altered beyond this point. The only thing it proves is that the chrono read those values.
I could go home tonight, chrono one of my rifles and get x reading. If I leave the spring under stress (such as by firing full auto without releasing the spring after by firing a single round in semi), I'll get a different value the next day. If I test it in a warm room, then a cold room, I'll get different values. If I know it's hot and deliberately test it using heavier bb's without recalibrating for them, I'll get a misleading reading. If it's gas, and I use 134a instead of Green gas, or Green instead of CO2 etc, I'll get a potentially misleading reason.
See where I'm going with this?

It's not a guarantee of maximum energy, it's an indication of output energy at a specific time. It's being touted as a be-all and end-all scrap of paper which should be the go-to reference at all times.

I would agree it started with MIA. No disrespect like I think it's a great idea, but it's useless without some legal backing. At first I thought it would be very helpful, as long as the seal isn't broken and I had that record sheet, it was their responsibilty to downgrade it if necessary. Then I opened it and realized the seal was preventing me from accessing the barrel and hop up, but I could easily pull out the piston and spring etc and, if I really wanted to, put in a more powerful spring.

As for transport, I just carry small guns in a gear bag and larger ones in a box. There should be no reason for the guards to ask to see what's inside and, even if they do, once you explain what it is there should be no reason for them to confiscate your gun. My understanding of the law is that they just shouldn't be visible to the public.