Man awarded €25,000 after bouncers broke his arm

Hammer Archer · 08-12-2010 01:27PM

IrishB.ie wrote: »

How do we know the boucers broke his arm. If he was tanked up, he could have gone home, fallen, broke his arm then as the pain kicks in and he starts to sober, he thinks.....blame the bouncers

The CCTV footage shown in court was probably a clue.

IrishB.ie · 08-12-2010 01:28PM

Nodin wrote: »

Because its on video.....

No, whats on video is the bouncer pinning his arm behind his back. He then gets up and goes home.

marco_polo · 08-12-2010 01:28PM

Orando Broom wrote: »

they could have tried talking to him. too many bouncers hopped up on roids looking for the scrap.

Pubs whose door this happens on should lose their licence for six months. That may seem harsh but the lesson needs to be rammed home. I was a bar man and a bar manager for years and I was especially hard on overly aggressive doormen. They tarnished the name and reputation of the public house and created a nasty, confrontational atmosphere inside the pub. The best door men I worked with were the chatty talkers because they diffused 99% of situations by isolating the trouble maker, calming him down and giving him just the bit of space to clear his head. The friendly doorman with a smile and a hello is your first port of call in a public house. I always wanted each and everyone of my staff to make you feel like you were in a home away from home. You paid enough for the privilege of being in the pub, I did not want you feeling like you were strip searched going into my establishment.

It is the reason I pointedly refuse to go to the trendy pubs, doormen who create restrictive door policies to maintain a veneer of exclusivity. No thanks I want my public house to be the epitome of diversity.

I though it was pretty clear I meant the court decision was correct , not the bouncers actions.

Hammer Archer · 08-12-2010 01:31PM

IrishB.ie wrote: »

No, whats on video is the bouncer pinning his arm behind his back. He then gets up and goes home.

So it's just a coincidence that the Bouncer forced his arm up towards his neck and the very same night he ends up with (what sounds like) a complicated fracture of that same arm?

marco_polo · 08-12-2010 01:31PM

IrishB.ie wrote: »

How do we know the boucers broke his arm. If he was tanked up, he could have gone home, fallen, broke his arm then as the pain kicks in and he starts to sober, he thinks.....blame the bouncers

Unless the Bouncer/Pub was being represented by Lionel Hutz I am sure that the possibility was explored and ruled out by medical evidence.

Run_to_da_hills · 08-12-2010 01:33PM

drkpower wrote: »

....and he might have had €35K if the judge didnt think he was a waster for calling an ambulance.

Seriously, people need to stop thinking that an ambulance = a more serious condition. Doctors & nurses dont think it so there is no reason for the public to think it.

The guy had the sh*t kicked out of him by a thug, how did he know at the time it was just his arm. He would have had his adrenaline on high at the time and may have not noticed other more serious injuries.

IrishB.ie · 08-12-2010 01:34PM

Hammer Archer wrote: »

So it's just a coincidence that the Bouncer forced his arm up towards his neck and the very same night he ends up with (what sounds like) a complicated fracture of that same arm?

Not a coincidence, convenient, "if" he fell and broke it himself accidentially.

spoonface · 08-12-2010 01:36PM

bluewolf wrote: »

I've never got one, but I thought you did have to pay something?

I broke my collar bone in Sweden on the slopes and an ambulance was needed. The hospital charged basically nothing for the x-ray etc but charged around 700 for the ambulance, which I think was fair enough. That's a service that the HSE could reasonably charge for.

Nodin · 08-12-2010 01:36PM

IrishB.ie wrote: »

No, whats on video is the bouncer pinning his arm behind his back. He then gets up and goes home.

The judge stated she was satisfied that the video showed them using excessive force.

drkpower · 08-12-2010 01:40PM

Nodin wrote: »

It left him with one arm permanently shorter than the other...doesn't sound like that simple a fracture to me...

We are probably using the term 'simple' in different ways.

I mean a simple fracture, in the sense of it not being a compund fracture which would raise the risks of infection or other issues. Short of that, in most cases, there is no need for a young man to get an ambulance.

Einstein · 08-12-2010 01:41PM

drkpower wrote:

....and he might have had €35K if the judge didnt think he was a waster for calling an ambulance.

Seriously, people need to stop thinking that an ambulance = a more serious condition. Doctors & nurses dont think it so there is no reason for the public to think it.

Alcohol wears off, adrenaline wears off...pain kicks in...a "simple" fracture hurts like hell. And continues to get worse and worse.

Thats like sayin "ah sure all he had was a cut on the head, why call an ambulance when he could have just put a plaster on"

Calling an ambulance for a suspected fracture is far from wasting time.

Hammer Archer · 08-12-2010 01:42PM

IrishB.ie wrote: »

Not a coincidence, convenient, "if" he fell and broke it himself accidentially.

But would you not say that that's a very big "if"?
CCTV shows the incident with him and the bouncer and on the same night he gets admitted to hospital with a complicated fractured arm.
And I'm sure this type of fracture would have been consistent with the treatment dished out to him by the bouncer so I'd seriously doubt if the same injury could occur through a simple fall.

drkpower · 08-12-2010 01:42PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The guy had the sh*t kicked out of him by a thug, how did he know at the time it was just his arm. He would have had his adrenaline on high at the time and may have not noticed other more serious injuries.

Was there a question of concussion? Or a serious head injury?

Without the above, most young men are very capable of noticing if they have serious injuries or not. Pumping adrenaline doesnt usually mask the symptoms of serious injury requiring urgent treatment and transfer to Hospital by ambulance.

tricky D · 08-12-2010 01:44PM

Of course he should have called an ambulance. How would anyone know whether it was a simple fracture? Fractures can have complications and he ended up with a shorter arm which doesn't suggest a simple fracture.

Also he could have gone into shock. I did when my arm broke. Shock is not a simple or trivial matter.

Einstein · 08-12-2010 01:44PM

drkpower wrote: »

Was there a question of concussion? Or a serious head injury?

Without the above, most young men are very capable of noticing if they have serious injuries or not. Pumping adrenaline doesnt usually mask the symptoms of serious injury requiring urgent treatment and transfer to Hospital by ambulance.

No, but combined with alcohol and endorphins it would.

drkpower · 08-12-2010 01:45PM

Einstein wrote: »

Alcohol wears off, adrenaline wears off...pain kicks in...a "simple" fracture hurts like hell. And continues to get worse and worse.

Thats like sayin "ah sure all he had was a cut on the head, why call an ambulance when he could have just put a plaster on"

Calling an ambulance for a suspected fracture is far from wasting time.

No; its wating resources.

'Hurting like hell' does not warrant an ambulance; the paramedics wont give you analgesia that is any stronger than what you can get in Spar; in fact they probably wont give you any at alll. And arriving at Hospital by ambulance wont get you treatment any earlier than arriving by taxi.

Kimia · 08-12-2010 01:45PM

pickarooney wrote: »

This sounds abouut right. Not sure what there is to discuss but the good folk of AH will no doubt find something to get up in arms about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZBt5jhLs-k

That's my plan! hehe

And I missed the pun

Ah well.

drkpower · 08-12-2010 01:46PM

Einstein wrote: »

No, but combined with alcohol and endorphins it would.

Are you suggesting that anyone with alcohol on board, and whose 'adrenaline' and 'endorphins' are pumping, should get an ambulance because those factors might be masking the signs and symptoms of serious illness?

Or what are you saying, in fact?

ardinn · 08-12-2010 01:47PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxy-yL7wYTM&feature=related

sleepytime!

drkpower · 08-12-2010 01:48PM

tricky D wrote: »

Of course he should have called an ambulance. How would anyone know whether it was a simple fracture? Fractures can have complications and he ended up with a shorter arm which doesn't suggest a simple fracture.

Also he could have gone into shock. I did when my arm broke. Shock is not a simple or trivial matter.

:DLol; what kind of 'shock' did you go into with your fractured arm.....?!

az2wp0sye65487 · 08-12-2010 01:49PM

pickarooney wrote: »

This sounds abouut right. Not sure what there is to discuss but the good folk of AH will no doubt find something to get up in arms about.

ejmaztec wrote: »

Yes, no doubt someone will suggest that the bouncer should be given the elbow.

Pun-tastic! :pac:

Run_to_da_hills · 08-12-2010 01:50PM

drkpower wrote: »

Was there a question of concussion? Or a serious head injury?

Im sure Doctors were able to go through all that when he got to the hospital.

spoonface wrote: »

I broke my collar bone in Sweden on the slopes and an ambulance was needed. The hospital charged basically nothing for the x-ray etc but charged around 700 for the ambulance, which I think was fair enough. That's a service that the HSE could reasonably charge for.

If the HSE started to charge exorbitant rates for ambulance call out's we can only expect deaths and DIY emergency services from people trying to save a money using their private cars for serious injuries putting themselves and other road users at risk. In Italy it is not uncommon to see someone waving a handkerchief out the window of a car with the horn on full blast trying to get through traffic.

I agree that the cost of any ambulance call outs with RTA's should be deducted from the person at fault's insurance in the accident.

IrishB.ie · 08-12-2010 01:52PM

Hammer Archer wrote: »

But would you not say that that's a very big "if"?
CCTV shows the incident with him and the bouncer and on the same night he gets admitted to hospital with a complicated fractured arm.
And I'm sure this type of fracture would have been consistent with the treatment dished out to him by the bouncer so I'd seriously doubt if the same injury could occur through a simple fall.

Totally agree with you, I'm just concerned with the precedent it might be setting. I'm sure the same bouncers have pinned many peoples arms behind their backs but now anyone involved in an altercation with the bouncers in that establishment have that precedent to guage from.

I know it the usual media hype, but the story might have better been headlined "Man awarded €25,000 after bouncers use excessive force"

Da_Chief · 08-12-2010 01:53PM

As a bouncer, "All you have to do is follow three simple rules. One, never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected. Two, take it outside. Never start anything inside the bar unless it's absolutely necessary. And three, be nice."

"If somebody gets in your face and calls you a cocksucker, I want you to be nice. Ask him to walk. Be nice. If he won't walk, walk him. But be nice. If you can't walk him, one of the others will help you, and you'll both be nice. I want you to remember that it's a job. It's nothing personal."

Dalton

tricky D · 08-12-2010 01:54PM

drkpower wrote: »

:DLol; what kind of 'shock' did you go into with your fractured arm.....?!

Fortunately, not medical. Freaked the coworkers out though.

Einstein · 08-12-2010 01:55PM

drkpower wrote: »

No; its wating resources.

'Hurting like hell' does not warrant an ambulance; the paramedics wont give you analgesia that is any stronger than what you can get in Spar; in fact they probably wont give you any at alll. And arriving at Hospital by ambulance wont get you treatment any earlier than arriving by taxi.

a) It does if you can't get a taxi at that time of the morning which is entirely possible.

b) I never suggested people get seen sooner after coming by ambulance

c) You could just say pain killers, but analgesia makes you sound cooler.

drkpower wrote: »

Are you suggesting that anyone with alcohol on board, and whose 'adrenaline' and 'endorphins' are pumping, should get an ambulance because those factors might be masking the signs and symptoms of serious illness?

Or what are you saying, in fact?

I'm saying that young guy, fairly drunk, gets in a kerfuffle with bouncers who breaks his arm, ends up in a drunken, adrenaline endorphin fuelled buzz, will feel far less pain, then if he fell on the ice on the way to work and received the same break.

And we're not talking about serious illnesses, we're talkin about pain due to a fracture. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

KindOfIrish · 08-12-2010 01:57PM

I would love to get 25K! Why it's never happened to me?

08-12-2010 01:57PM

drkpower wrote: »

Nor have I; I didnt think you had to pay extra, thought it was covered by whatver the A&E fee is these days. But I could be wrong.

There is no clear right to an ambulance service. Generally, ambulances are used when the emergency services are called. For non-emergencies, the use of an ambulance is usually a medical decision. In general, people who do not have medical cards may be charged for the service. The practice varies between the HSE and charges may be waived in certain cases (i.e., hardship), etc.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/emergency_health_services/ambulance_and_transport_services.html

there we go.
No idea how much though

sensibleken · 08-12-2010 01:58PM

jesusinaglanza wrote: »

excessive force used by a failure in a cheap suit, these guys need to cop on...

its exactly because theyre not cops that they are on a power trip

piglets i call them

Wagon · 08-12-2010 02:01PM

Chap broke his arm. Hurt like fook im guessing. But what do some of you people expect him to do? Wait until the first bus and go to hospital?

Seems like everything was grand to me but some arrogant shítebags still insist on complaining. Get aids and die.

Man awarded €25,000 after bouncers broke his arm

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