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Budget day discussion thread. Your budget chat goes here.(Rules and links first post)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,342 ✭✭✭✭That_Guy


    If anything, smokes and drink should be increased. They are luxuries, not necessities.

    Hiring prices on these items which make the country a lot of money would be a disaster.

    People would go elsewhere and would encourage more smuggling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    Kev_ps3 wrote: »
    Lowering the minimum wage is a disgrace.

    Then again, those earning the minimum wage won't be paying any income tax, if I heard correctly.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Budget Template:

    Praise the recovering economy and workers.
    Praise the governments response
    Announce cuts in benefits and raise taxes
    Abolish schemes and introduce more pointless schemes
    Say 'We're sorry' and not mean it
    Praise the government for realising it's mistakes

    Cue clapping over shouting/abusive politicians
    Cue other parties 'hot air' talks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    ascanbe wrote: »
    Your posts tend to be, though.
    Do they? I've never defended FF for being FF. I have also never said I support FF.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Fart


    Anything about education grants? Didn't see it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭Antamojo


    Can anyone tell me what they're planning on doing with 3rd level education?
    Didn't hear anything in the budget, might have missed it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Dr. Baltar


    When do they actually vote on whether to accept/decline the budget?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Fart


    Antamojo wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me what they're planning on doing with 3rd level education?
    Didn't hear anything in the budget, might have missed it

    e2000 registration fee every year I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Kev_ps3 wrote: »
    Again im guessing your living off the minimum wage, possibly with children, and have plenty of money left over after all the bills are paid?
    If so then fine, its far too high.
    What? I don't understand your point. I have a proper job, so I don't make minimum wage.

    Don't have kids if you are on a minimum wage job = problem solved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Butterflylove


    Antamojo wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me what they're planning on doing with 3rd level education?
    Didn't hear anything in the budget, might have missed it


    All covered in 4year plan!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    Did anyone see the way Lenihan rolled his eyes? I nearly fell off my chair! lol

    What did he roll his eyes at? I'd love to know this if anyone spotted it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    Tax bands widened

    Tax bands-credits down 10%

    Can anyone explain this please? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,615 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Uriel. wrote: »
    without deeper analysis of all the announcements and without looking at the budget supplementaries, it really doesn't sound anywhere near as bad as it was made out to be...

    will wait to see the fine print though.

    Its a **** hoop for anyone who is working and paying a mortgage...Top rate of tax is now gone over 60% which is outragous...4% off the scratch, OAPs not touched and the P.S salaries not cut...fair my arse....why would you bother your hole working I am absolutely ragging here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    People on Social Welfare and low incomes just don't want cuts full stop.

    The problem is that all these groups are just being selfish and don't want anything cut from themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Galway K9


    Antamojo wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me what they're planning on doing with 3rd level education?
    Didn't hear anything in the budget, might have missed it

    Fees are up to 2000 euro and 1500 for subsequent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    OisinT wrote: »
    Do they? I've never defended FF for being FF. I have also never said I support FF.

    That language is positively Lenihanian; are you a lawyer too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Putting the boot into the carers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    OisinT wrote: »
    What? I don't understand your point. I have a proper job, so I don't make minimum wage.

    Don't have kids if you are on a minimum wage job = problem solved.

    "Proper Job"??:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    foxinsox wrote: »
    Tax bands widened

    Tax bands-credits down 10%

    Can anyone explain this please? :confused:
    Tax Credits: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/credits/index.html

    Tax Bands: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/leaflets/it1.html#section3


    hope that helps :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    HOW IS INCOME TAX AFFECTED!!

    sorry:o

    anyone know please how to work out the tax bands senario?

    Income Tax itself didn't actually go up but bands and credits all went down by 10% I think.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Fart


    storm2811 wrote: »
    "Proper Job"??:confused:

    Giving blowys on Leeson St.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Social protection adjustments

    State can not afford current level of social provision.

    No reductions in the state pension.

    Additional payment of €40 to households that receive the fuel allowance payment.

    Working-age rates down 4%, but still 117% above levels in 1997 and slightly ahead of rates in 2007.

    Child benefit down €10 with an additional €10 reduction for a third child only.



    Taxation

    A fundamental principle of the Budget is that all taxpayers must contribute according to their means. Those who can pay most will pay most but no group can be sheltered.

    Replace Income Levy and Health Levy with a single Universal Social Charge.

    Remove employee PRSI contribution ceiling.

    Increase the PRSI rate for the self-employed, higher earning public servants and office holders.

    Reduce the value of bands and credits by 10%.

    Tackle over-generous reliefs on private pensions.

    Abolish or restrict many tax reliefs that higher earners use to shelter income unfairly.

    Target the remaining reliefs more clearly on employment growth.

    DIRT up 2% to 27% on ordinary deposit accounts and 30% on longer-term deposit accounts.

    Excise up by 4 cent per litre on petrol and 2 cent per litre on auto-diesel.


    Supporting businesses, economic activity and jobs

    No change to Ireland’s corporation tax rate.

    Employment and Investment Incentive to boost job creation by SMEs.

    Extend the 3-year corporation tax exemption for start-up companies.

    Extend the accelerated Capital Allowance Scheme for Energy Efficient Equipment for a further three years.

    Fundamental reform of Stamp Duty on homes to stimulate the property market:
    o
    A flat 1% rate for all transactions of residential property valued up to €1 million with 2% applying to amounts above €1 million.
    o
    Abolishing all existing reliefs and exemptions for Stamp Duty on residential property.

    New tax incentive to support employment and improve energy efficiency in homes.

    Reduction in the air travel tax to €3 from March 2011 to boost tourism.

    All bookmakers taking bets from Ireland will pay 1% betting duty on those bets in the same way that betting shops currently do.


    Fairness of actions taken by Government

    The distributive impact of the four Budgets (2009 to 2011) using the SWITCH tax/benefit model is as follows:

    The average income loss for families of the combined tax/social welfare package is almost 7% (€43pw).

    The greatest percentage losses are in the top 70% of the income distribution (i.e. higher earners) progressively rising from 3 to 11% (€16 to €160pw).

    Lower earners (i.e. the 2nd and 3rd income deciles) are largely unchanged under the four Budgets.

    The lowest earners (i.e. bottom income decile) lose 5% primarily due to the reduction in welfare payments from under 25s.


    http://budget.gov.ie/budgets/2011/Documents/Budget%202011%20Leaflet.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    storm2811 wrote: »
    "Proper Job"??:confused:
    Non-minimum wage earning job.
    ascanbe wrote: »
    That language is positively Lenihanian; are you a lawyer too?
    Lenihan is a Barrister.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭Kev_ps3


    OisinT wrote: »
    What? I don't understand your point. I have a proper job, so I don't make minimum wage.

    Don't have kids if you are on a minimum wage job = problem solved.

    Exactly. You dont have a clue. Since when was work done on the minimum wage not a proper job?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    It's comedy hour at the Dail now! Even Lenihan is having a laugh or two so it seems :S


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Kev_ps3 wrote: »
    Exactly. You dont have a clue. Since when was work done on the minimum wage not a proper job?
    If you want to make more money get a job that is not minimum wage.

    What jobs out there are minimum wage these days? Work hard and get a pay raise.
    Alternatively, get an education or learn a trade...


    or emigrate... that too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,037 ✭✭✭✭Degag


    OisinT wrote: »
    Don't have kids if you are on a minimum wage job = problem solved.
    That's a pretty obtuse opinion to have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Degag wrote: »
    That's a pretty obtuse opinion to have.
    I don't see why. It's irresponsible to have children if you cannot afford them.
    I don't believe it's your "right" to have children. If you cannot afford to have more children then stop having them.

    Why is it obtuse to plan to have a good job and enough money and security before you have children rather than start popping out kids and expecting the state to babysit you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    That Leo Varadkr, he's like sh1t in a field.....he's everywhere.....the annoying cnut!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭DetectivFoxtrot


    Good idea from FG re negative equity relief


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