King Of Ireland

lcrcboy · 05-12-2010 6:35pm #1

If Brian Boru had not been killed and left king of Ireland without later interference from the British and other Irish kings do you think his family would still be in power in Ireland would we have a monarchy state or would they be like the British royal family and just a symbol of the sate.
Would you support having a Irish royal family or be against it??

Ill put in a poll aswell for the hell of it

Diabhal Beag · 05-12-2010 6:37pm

Sheamus is KING

AntiMatter · 05-12-2010 6:37pm

800 years without the usual machinations, assassinations and usurpations?

I doubt if Boru's family would still be in power.

mikom · 05-12-2010 6:38pm

King Brian sounds so lame.
Nearly as bad as king Ralph.

Kasabian · 05-12-2010 6:38pm

OP, school project due tomorrow?

lcrcboy · 05-12-2010 6:40pm

Kasabian wrote: »

OP, school project due tomorrow?

haha not for some one who is studying business this is just random taught when I should be studying for exams

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 05-12-2010 6:43pm

A monarchy? Where the leader of the country just so happens to be born into the right family and thus being entitled to the heir of the throne? NO!

RMD · 05-12-2010 6:44pm

Even if Boru hadn't been killed the British would have eventually colonized Ireland. Think about it, they ruled a huge amount of the known world and were at 1 point the strongest empire worldwide. Colonies extending from America to India. I think it's safe to say at one point or another they certainly would have taken over Ireland, regardless who was in charge.

There is no way we could have ever properly resisted the British army, we could have certainly caused them some trouble like the war of independence, but we could definitely never have completely resisted them.

Pauleta · 05-12-2010 6:46pm

Karter Ambitious Weapon wrote: »

A monarchy? Where the leader of the country just so happens to be born into the right family and thus being entitled to the heir of the throne? NO!

That pretty much goes on for TDs in a lot of constituencies

Gunnerkid · 05-12-2010 6:49pm

Karter Ambitious Weapon wrote: »

A monarchy? Where the leader of the country just so happens to be born into the right family and thus being entitled to the heir of the throne? NO!

marry your way in if it bugs you lol. I would support it if it didint interfere with the government

RosyLily · 05-12-2010 6:50pm

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Sheamus is KING

All hail....Attachment not found.

Seosaimh77 · 05-12-2010 6:51pm

No, never, not a chance. Would never support a system based purely on the idea that someone is automatically better than everyone else merely because of their lineage.

scientific1982 · 05-12-2010 6:51pm

No. The idea of a monarchy disgusts me.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 05-12-2010 6:52pm

Pauleta wrote: »

That pretty much goes on for TDs in a lot of constituencies

A TD's son is heir to his seat in the dail? I'm pretty sure they are elected in. It's not uncommon or wrong for a member of a TDs family to take a seat too, but, that has nothing to do with who his parents are. They are still voted in.

Gunnerkid wrote: »

marry your way in if it bugs you lol. I would support it if it didint interfere with the government

Why would you support it? What exactly is the point?

W.Shakes-Beer · 05-12-2010 6:54pm

No because of the amount of hierarchy shíte thats attached to it.

Gunnerkid · 05-12-2010 6:57pm

Karter Ambitious Weapon wrote: »

A TD's son is heir to his seat in the dail? I'm pretty sure they are elected in. It's not uncommon or wrong for a member of a TDs family to take a seat too, but, that has nothing to do with who his parents are. They are still voted in.

Why would you support it? What exactly is the point?

well for one it would bring more tourism into the country, country could milk it like the english and make some serious money out of it

Sharkey 10 · 05-12-2010 7:03pm

No i would defiantly not. Could someone explain to me me the obsession of some irish people with the royal family .
I remember when diana died my grandmother cried . I was very young at the time so didnt understand it fully but looking back on it i can see why she cried , the media painted her as some sort of hero which she was not as much as i despise the royal family i despise this kind of money grabbing bitch more. This phenomania is also seen in america among certain types of liberals.

bonerm · 05-12-2010 7:03pm

No thanks. We've got rid of the kings and queens, next comes the bishops and before long the whole back row will be gone and us pawns will all be a lot better for it.

Gunnerkid · 05-12-2010 7:08pm

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

No i would defiantly not. Could someone explain to me me the obsession of some irish people with the royal family .
I remember when diana died my grandmother cried . I was very young at the time so didnt understand it fully but looking back on it i can see why she cried , the media painted her as some sort of hero which she was not as much as i despise the royal family i despise this kind of money grabbing bitch more. This phenomania is also seen in america among certain types of liberals.

hard to say while my opnion differs from yours people just seem to have this sense of fascination with royalty the same can be seen with celebrities, whith Ireland its just funny though we hated british rule but now seem to watch the every move of the british royal family, maybe it has something to do with Irish people letting grudges go and moving on

phasers · 05-12-2010 7:20pm

Parnell was the uncrowned king or Ireland, according to my history book.

Kold · 05-12-2010 7:25pm

There isn't a noble Irish person to be found.

Gunnerkid · 05-12-2010 7:28pm

Kold wrote: »

There isn't a noble Irish person to be found.

I think there is a few but I dont know if there recognised by the state, There is a family which own a huge manor and lots of land near to Limerick I think there O'Brien or McMahon not shure but I think they actually claim link to Brian Boru. Im not shure how accurate that is

starbelgrade · 05-12-2010 7:29pm

Bono is already King of Ireland.

In his own head, anyway.

Son Of A Vidic · 05-12-2010 7:32pm

RMD wrote: »

Even if Boru hadn't been killed the British would have eventually colonized Ireland. Think about it, they ruled a huge amount of the known world and were at 1 point the strongest empire worldwide. Colonies extending from America to India. I think it's safe to say at one point or another they certainly would have taken over Ireland, regardless who was in charge.

There is no way we could have ever properly resisted the British army, we could have certainly caused them some trouble like the war of independence, but we could definitely never have completely resisted them.

Well actually we invited them over here, we were not invaded. Even the Romans considered Hibernia to be too 'wild'. The British empire you refer to, was greatly helped by the huge contingent of Irishmen serving in the British Army at the time.The English new well enough that if the Irish clans ever united, they would have been fcuked out into the Irish Sea. So divide and conquer was the strategy employed in Ireland.

Ostrom · 05-12-2010 7:33pm

There still are kings in some places - Clare Island's last rí passed away around a decade ago

Gunnerkid · 05-12-2010 7:36pm

efla wrote: »

There still are kings in some places - Clare Island's last rí passed away around a decade ago

what was his family name Im pretty interested in this topic

Sharkey 10 · 05-12-2010 7:36pm

Gunnerkid wrote: »

hard to say while my opnion differs from yours people just seem to have this sense of fascination with royalty the same can be seen with celebrities, whith Ireland its just funny though we hated british rule but now seem to watch the every move of the british royal family, maybe it has something to do with Irish people letting grudges go and moving on

I think it may have something to do with celebrity . I think the type of people who follow the going ons in the british royal family would do so whether we were at one stage ruled by them or not. I think most people who dislike the royal family do so because the disagree with the idea of un earned leadership , not because they carry any grudge

lugha · 05-12-2010 7:49pm

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

I think most people who dislike the royal family do so because the disagree with the idea of un earned leadership , not because they carry any grudge

I think not. The distaste for royalty around these parts is reserved solely for the British. Folk are largely indifferent to the other royal families of Europe.

Sharkey 10 · 05-12-2010 7:57pm

lugha wrote: »

I think not. The distaste for royalty around these parts is reserved solely for the British. Folk are largely indifferent to the other royal families of Europe.

There isnt as much distain for the british mp's so i dont think people dislike the because they are british. I think its the fact that they are by far the most prominent monarchy in the world is the reason people dislike them. They are the ones who are constantly in the press . Personally i couldnt name any royals from europe.

Krusader · 05-12-2010 8:02pm

If Edward Bruce had succeeded in conquering Ireland we could be in a United Kingdom of Ireland and Scotland

05-12-2010 8:04pm

I suppose it depends on whether you are referring to a British, European or Asian style of monarchy, all three types are very different.

Ostrom · 05-12-2010 8:26pm

Gunnerkid wrote: »

what was his family name Im pretty interested in this topic

I'll pm some references to you, the islands (clare, tory, aran...) have been written about a bit on this

paddyinrome · 05-12-2010 8:41pm

It could boost tourism and we need as much money as possible at the moment especially with the current economic crisis.

The British royal family has been very clever and has become a huge tourist attraction for the UK

Gunnerkid · 05-12-2010 8:51pm

efla wrote: »

I'll pm some references to you, the islands (clare, tory, aran...) have been written about a bit on this

cheers :cool:

Sid_Justice · 05-12-2010 8:56pm

Kimg Limerick drove the brits out of this country in 1916, his family are rightful heirs to the throne.

Snakeblood · 05-12-2010 8:57pm

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Sheamus is KING

He's a role model for the nonpigmented.

Gunnerkid · 05-12-2010 8:59pm

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Kimg Limerick drove the brits out of this country in 1916, his family are rightful heirs to the throne.

thats limerick citaay!!!!

-Corkie- · 05-12-2010 9:02pm

I always thought Mike65 was the king here. Honestly over 60000 posts.:)

Apolloyon · 05-12-2010 9:08pm

All right where to begin!

1. Ireland had High Kings after Brian Boru. Lots of them in fact.

2. Dynastic succession by males sons was not de facto in this time. Sometimes it went to other family members or changed hands through force of arms. It would be rxtremely unlikely for any of Brian Boru's direct heirs to have held a stranglehold on the High Kingship.

3. Who are the 'British'? No such people existed in this era. In fact go to Scotland or Wales in the present day and ask the people there if they are British. You may be surprised by their answer.

4. Well even if we did maintain a form of monarchy for some time, I can't see it being particularly stable, so either we would constantly be at civil war or more likely invaded in a form similar to how it occurred originally.

So to sum up, sorry but I can't see your Irish royal family idea working!

smellslikeshoes · 05-12-2010 9:09pm

-Corkie- wrote: »

I always thought Mike65 was the king here. Honestly over 60000 posts.:)

To be King he would have to be Human.

Ardennes1944 · 05-12-2010 9:13pm

no no no it's King of Queens

baltimore sun · 05-12-2010 9:19pm

I think I would, but they'd have to be the descendants of Edubard a Briuis, coz he was the last high king or Ireland, not Brian Boru
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_High_Kings_of_Ireland

Although Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair was the last unopposed high king and he was after Boru too

Krusader · 05-12-2010 9:24pm

Edward the Bruce wasn't the High King, he failed in his bid to claim thr throne, he was more of a self-proclaimed King, the 3 families probably with the biggest claim to it would be
The O'Briens
The O'Neills
The O'Connors

Gunnerkid · 05-12-2010 9:33pm

baltimore sun wrote: »

I think I would, but they'd have to be the descendants of Edubard a Briuis, coz he was the last high king or Ireland, not Brian Boru
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_High_Kings_of_Ireland

Although Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair was the last unopposed high king and he was after Boru too

lol my family comes up aswell but not shure if they were overtrown or anything like that McMahon family of Thomond:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon

McMahon family arising from the Grandson of Brian Boru

Super-Rush · 05-12-2010 10:01pm

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Sheamus is KING

Wan*er

Lauder · 05-12-2010 10:29pm

lcrcboy wrote: »

If Brian Boru had not been killed and left king of Ireland without later interference from the British and other Irish kings do you think his family would still be in power in Ireland would we have a monarchy state or would they be like the British royal family and just a symbol of the sate.
Would you support having a Irish royal family or be against it??

Ill put in a poll aswell for the hell of it

Jez, you have absolutely no idea of Irish history do you.

Brian Boru died in 1014 after leading an army made of of Gaels, Britons and Vikings who had gone native, against the mainstream Vikings who dominated much of the Irish east cost.

The Normans (not the British) came to Ireland in 1169, but very little changed in the governance of the island (outside the pale). Irish High Kings were extant until the mid 14th Century, with the last being Edward the Bruce (of Braveheart fame). There was no so-called British influence in Ireland until mid 16th century onwards with the plantation of Anglican and Dissenters.

Anyway, if an Irish Royal Family line had continued they would have more than likely intermarried with only European Royal Families and would without doubt be related (or even the same family) as the Queen.

Also, bear in mind that the Queen Mother was a blood descendant of Brian Boru, so if there was to be a rightful Irish monarch, it would be the current Queen of England.

lcrcboy · 05-12-2010 10:47pm

Lauder wrote: »

Jez, you have absolutely no idea of Irish history do you.

Brian Boru died in 1014 after leading an army made of of Gaels, Britons and Vikings who had gone native, against the mainstream Vikings who dominated much of the Irish east cost.

The Normans (not the British) came to Ireland in 1169, but very little changed in the governance of the island (outside the pale). Irish High Kings were extant until the mid 14th Century, with the last being Edward the Bruce (of Braveheart fame). There was no so-called British influence in Ireland until mid 16th century onwards with the plantation of Anglican and Dissenters.

Anyway, if an Irish Royal Family line had continued they would have more than likely intermarried with only European Royal Families and would without doubt be related (or even the same family) as the Queen.

Also, bear in mind that the Queen Mother was a blood descendant of Brian Boru, so if there was to be a rightful Irish monarch, it would be the current Queen of England.

wow arent you getting bad, sorry Im not a history buff like yourself. You do realise I never claimed to know it all about Irish history and was just wondering what peoples view were of a Irish royal family. Do you fell big putting me in my place about Irish history..... I actually dont really care if you know more about it than me haha

Krusader · 05-12-2010 10:51pm

Lauder wrote: »

The Normans (not the British) came to Ireland in 1169, but very little changed in the governance of the island (outside the pale). Irish High Kings were extant until the mid 14th Century, with the last being Edward the Bruce (of Braveheart fame). There was no so-called British influence in Ireland until mid 16th century onwards with the plantation of Anglican and Dissenters.

Edward wasn't in Braveheart, BOOM!!

lcrcboy · 05-12-2010 10:52pm

oh and lauder if you knew irish hitsory you would know that Irish royalty was not always handed down to the son it would more than often be passed on to who is more suitable for the position, and just beacuse the queens mother may be related to Brian Boru (would love to know where you got those facts) dosent make her next in line to brian boru's thrown it depends on what line of the family the crown would have been passed down along if we are talking a family monarchy based on the eldest son being the heir

lcrcboy · 05-12-2010 10:54pm

Crosáidí wrote: »

Edward wasn't in Braveheart, BOOM!!

haha lauder is coming out to look like a bit of a muppet

Lauder · 05-12-2010 10:57pm

Crosáidí wrote: »

Edward wasn't in Braveheart, BOOM!!

Incorrect, Edward the Bruce was portrayed in Braveheart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n0Q8THJE60

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