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Victim impact statement offensive...what did they expect?

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  • #2
    PrincessLola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    Yeah lets all worry about the poor criminal's feelings, not the family of the victim :rolleyes:


  • #3
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    bigpink wrote: »
    Said it was offensive what did they expect?
    If they can shut down cases maybe dont do them until they have been charged instead of this farce
    The judge also said he wasnt provided with a copy of it surely the court staff should have this done
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/judge-french-family-statement-offensive-and-inappropriate-483833.html
    I think you're missing the point of victim impact statements.


  • #4
    TouchingVirus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Also missing the common courtesy to quote the article you're linking to.


  • #5
    RonMexico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    I find our appalling justice system to be offensive.


  • #6
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    TouchingVirus wrote: »
    Also missing the common courtesy to quote the article you're linking to.

    Won't somebody please think of the people on a mobile device


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  • #7
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    bigpink wrote: »
    Said it was offensive what did they expect?
    If they can shut down cases maybe dont do them until they have been charged instead of this farce
    The judge also said he wasnt provided with a copy of it surely the court staff should have this done
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/judge-french-family-statement-offensive-and-inappropriate-483833.html

    They were charged, hence the court case. They were also convicted, hence the fact a victim impact statement was being read. The judge just deferred sentencing until a later date as he felt it would leave any sentence he gave wide open to appeal by the defense if he was to sentence in the immediacy of the VIS, due to it's unusual nature. He knows this legal business better than you or I, I reckon, they are to be sentenced in December.

    For the non-clickers amongst us.
    A judge has said the victim impact statement of the family of killed mother of two Rebecca French was "offensive and inappropriate".

    Concerned that it may appear he was influenced by the report, Mr Justice Barry White has adjourned sentencing four men who admitted disposing of the 30-year-old's body which was found in the boot of a blazing car in Wexford in October 2009.

    The four are Lithuanians Ricardas Dilys and Ruslanas Mineikas with an address at Goodtide Harbour, Patrick O’Connor of Ard na Dara, Clonard and Polish man Piotr Pasiak of Lower John Street.

    Rebecca French’s family said in an emotive victim impact statement that those behind her death were "animals".

    It continued: "People with criminal records in their own country should never be allowed to live among us."

    Mr Justice Barry White was due to hand down sentences to the four men guilty of impeding her murder investigation this morning but held back because of the report which was read out in court yesterday.

    He said there might be a perception that he had been influenced by the comments of the French family some of which he branded as xenophobic, and added that justice must be seen to be done.

    He has put the case back until next month for the DPP to give an opinion on the victim impact report and whether Mr White should stand down as judge in the case.


  • #8
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    It's a victim impact statement. Stating political views has nothing to do with the impact a said criem had on the victims. Consequently, the victims come of as beign bigotted (eeven though, I accept, they may not be).

    And before anyone asks how I'd react in that situation, exactly the same way if the perpetrators were Irish.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #9
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Think the judge just wanted to ensure correct protocol was followed and without prejudice, not worry about the criminals' feelings.


  • #10
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bigpink wrote: »
    Said it was offensive what did they expect?
    ..........

    Though I've no legal qualification, I'd say they were expecting something about the impact on the victims.


  • #11
    TouchingVirus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Won't somebody please think of the people on a mobile device

    I'm on a computer. I clicked the link and read the article. It's still a courtesy


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  • #12
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    TouchingVirus wrote: »
    I'm on a computer. I clicked the link and read the article. It's still a courtesy

    I'm on a mobile device and don't want to cluck on it. Not having a go at you ;)


  • #13
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Here's the article for people on mobile device
    A judge has said the victim impact statement of the family of killed mother of two Rebecca French was "offensive and inappropriate".

    Concerned that it may appear he was influenced by the report, Mr Justice Barry White has adjourned sentencing four men who admitted disposing of the 30-year-old's body which was found in the boot of a blazing car in Wexford in October 2009.

    The four are Lithuanians Ricardas Dilys and Ruslanas Mineikas with an address at Goodtide Harbour, Patrick O’Connor of Ard na Dara, Clonard and Polish man Piotr Pasiak of Lower John Street.

    Rebecca French’s family said in an emotive victim impact statement that those behind her death were "animals".

    It continued: "People with criminal records in their own country should never be allowed to live among us."

    Mr Justice Barry White was due to hand down sentences to the four men guilty of impeding her murder investigation this morning but held back because of the report which was read out in court yesterday.

    He said there might be a perception that he had been influenced by the comments of the French family some of which he branded as xenophobic, and added that justice must be seen to be done.

    He has put the case back until next month for the DPP to give an opinion on the victim impact report and whether Mr White should stand down as judge in the case.

    Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/judge-french-family-statement-offensive-and-inappropriate-483833.html#ixzz16n8TQYPj


  • #14
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    I think the mother of this victim is 100% right, the judical system has failed her and society and she has every right to be angry, alot more right to be angry than a judge who's ego is hurt cause he was critised, another group of people in irish society who need a root and branch reform!!


  • #15
    TouchingVirus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    mloc123 wrote: »
    I'm on a mobile device and don't want to cluck on it. Not having a go at you ;)

    Forgot my :pac: :)


  • #16
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    I think the mother of this victim is 100% right, the judical system has failed her and society and she has every right to be angry, alot more right to be angry than a judge who's ego is hurt cause he was critised, another group of people in irish society who need a root and branch reform!!
    I don't think Mr Justice White was upset because his ego was hurt.

    He merely thought it may be unfair to sentence in light of the statement - as in it would look like he was over-sentencing because of the statement.

    In reality he saved the taxpayer money by doing this. If he sentenced on the day the Accused would have just appealed the sentence.


  • #17
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    TouchingVirus wrote: »
    Also missing the common courtesy to quote the article you're linking to.

    I linked to it whay ya you moaning about


  • #18
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    I think the mother of this victim is 100% right, the judical system has failed her and society and she has every right to be angry, alot more right to be angry than a judge who's ego is hurt cause he was critised, another group of people in irish society who need a root and branch reform!!

    The point of a victim impact statement is so that the victim can tell about the impact the crime has had on her - not for the victim to air political views.


  • #19
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    What are victims suppose to say so in an impact statement?
    Oh life is great and the guys that commited this crime are realy nice guys


  • #20
    Muff_Daddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭Muff_Daddy


    OisinT wrote: »

    He merely thought it may be unfair to sentence in light of the statement - as in it would look like he was over-sentencing because of the statement.

    For people who commit murder, there should be no such thing as 'over-sentencing'.


  • #21
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    bigpink wrote: »
    What are victims suppose to say so in an impact statement?
    Oh life is great and the guys that commited this crime are realy nice guys

    The are supposed to talk abotu the impact of the crime on the family - have you read any of the replies to your opening post??

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #22
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    You should be allowed some free speech,it wasnt for political gain it was to point out flaws in allowing criminals into the country i dont see the problem with that


  • #23
    chicken fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 645 ✭✭✭chicken fingers


    Would help a lot if the actual full victim impact statement was included.
    These online newspaper websites need to get in gear and have wikipedia style links to stuff like this.


  • #24
    TouchingVirus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    bigpink wrote: »
    I linked to it whay ya you moaning about

    Look at the other news articles. Each one of them quoting the article, not only for people on mobiles who shouldn't have to use their bandwidth to visit the linked story, but as a common courtesy. It's not hard to quote a story ;)


  • #25
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    What are victims suppose to say so in an impact statement?
    Oh life is great and the guys that commited this crime are realy nice guys

    There was reference to xenophobic statements which is not kosher.

    So good = This has greatly upset our family and those men are very bad men.

    Bad = This has greatly upset our family and it's just like Lithuanians to do something like this.


  • #26
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    If they guys had previous records then that is a fact and no harm in saying so


  • #27
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    bigpink wrote: »
    What are victims suppose to say so in an impact statement?
    Oh life is great and the guys that commited this crime are realy nice guys
    Something that isn't along the lines of "they're negros and they shouldn't be allowed to live among us in the first place."

    I understand the political point the family is trying to make but the Victim's Impact Statement isn't the place to do that.


  • #28
    Ali Babba
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Ali Babba


    It was offensive alright , to animals that is, animals wouldn't carry on the way the scum that killed that woman did.


  • #29
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    In fairness, that judge just wants love.

    Right now, I'd say he is on a large heart shaped bed, with a few female court clerks naked, hanging on every single word he utters, with his deep authoritative, seductive voice.

    He's on a mission to bring soul to our justice system.


  • #30
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    TouchingVirus wrote: »
    Look at the other news articles. Each one of them quoting the article, not only for people on mobiles who shouldn't have to use their bandwidth to visit the linked story, but as a common courtesy. It's not hard to quote a story ;)

    I linked to it so relax will ya not my fault you cant see it


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  • #31
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Millicent wrote: »
    There was reference to xenophobic statements which is not kosher.

    So good = This has greatly upset our family and those men are very bad men.

    Bad = This has greatly upset our family and it's just like Lithuanians to do something like this.

    Xenophobic?
    They were foreign yes?Committed crime yes?Do you think they should be in the country so?

    God i love the way the people stick up for criminals in this country


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