Breaking news: 'Sinn Féin may take Govt to court over bailout deal'

Dionysus · 30-11-2010 05:22PM #1

Finally, some political party is doing what I, and many others, have been hoping: challenging the right of the current government to promise, on our behalf, to cover the debts of private banks and lenders.

Story: here

But Sinn Féin has gone further:

'Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams said: "Any new government should refuse to honour the terms of the IMF/EU deal and Sinn Féin will seek a mandate in the General Election to renegotiate it. [my emphasis]

This Government has no mandate to impose the terrible deal it has negotiated with the IMF and EU.

The interest payments alone will cripple our public finances for years.'

Do you think the government's decision to accept this bailout should be challenged? Do you think any new government should renegotiate this dreadful "deal" for Irish taxpayers and Irish sovereignty?

liah · 30-11-2010 05:24PM

Interesting move to gain votes. Wonder if they'd follow through?

stovelid · 30-11-2010 05:25PM

Dionysus wrote: »

Do you think the government's decision to accept this bailout should be challenged?

Do you think any new government should renegotiate this dreadful "deal" for Irish taxpayers and Irish sovereignty?

Yes and Yes to above.

No and No to Sinn Fein,

Saila · 30-11-2010 05:25PM

wont someone please think of the children soverinty

ScumLord · 30-11-2010 05:28PM

liah wrote: »

Interesting move to gain votes. Wonder if they'd follow through?

Sinn Fien have little to lose why wouldn't they.

stovelid · 30-11-2010 05:31PM

Wouldn't it just be easier to lure bring the IMF delegation to an abandoned warehouse and let Dessie Ellis and Martin Ferris negotiate a new deal?

Dionysus · 30-11-2010 05:33PM

liah wrote: »

Interesting move to gain votes. Wonder if they'd follow through?

True. But I think somebody should be doing this, just as I think somebody should have challenged the refusal to hold that election in Donegal. Where are the other parties?!

I think we've got a terrible, terrible deal out of this. I've yet to read anybody who thinks it was a good deal for us. Some organisation in Irish politics has to challenge it.

I wish it had been Labour as I had it in mind to vote for them. I want the impressively anti-government performance of Burton, Gilmore, Rabbitte et al to extend beyond the television screen.

sensibleken · 30-11-2010 05:33PM

There was an article in the times today with Pat Rabbitte saying they were breaching the constitution, which seems fairly clear cut, and will consider brining a challenge once he receives clarrification from the government

Giggernaut · 30-11-2010 05:33PM

Fail - in that Sinn Fein will huff and puff with great gusto but will ultimately fizzle out.

Dave! · 30-11-2010 05:34PM

Will Gerry Adams not just fook off? He getting bored of Norn Iron politics or somethin?

phantom_lord · 30-11-2010 05:35PM

Dionysus wrote: »

This Government has no mandate to impose the terrible deal it has negotiated with the IMF and EU.

How do they work that out?

Do they have any legal basis for a challenge?

TwoShedsJackson · 30-11-2010 05:36PM

Sinn Fein can say what they want because they know they'll never have to follow up on it.

Donkey Oaty · 30-11-2010 05:37PM

Sinn Féin is considering a legal challenge to the Government's decision not to put the EU/IMF bailout deal to a Dáil vote.

Ehh....hmm....what do yez think?

I'm considering calling them feckin' money-hungry public-opinion-thirsty cowards.

Notorious97 · 30-11-2010 05:39PM

Yes they should definitely do this, and yes i think given the chance they would definitely follow through in attempting to re do the deal agreed. Why wouldn’t they, they successfully defeated the Gov in court over Donegal, they have nothing to lose, they are doing the right thing and sticking up for Irish people here.

People will still drag them back to the troubles, but for once i wish the anti republicans would for a second put aside the fact it is a republican party doing this and recognise they are the only god damn Irish party standing up to the Gov and backing up their words with actions (Donegal being the example so far). FG and Labour are poor excuses for Irish parties, if they want some respect they would take the Gov to court too.

Fair play to Sinn Fein

Wolfe Tone · 30-11-2010 05:39PM

Yet again Sinn Fein are the only ones to stand up to this disgrace of a government.

Guy:Incognito · 30-11-2010 05:39PM

So SF are going to stop us getting money and the unions are going to bring the country to a grinding halt to prevent us from stopping spending money we dont have, I cant see how any of this will adversely affect us.

Donkey Oaty · 30-11-2010 05:40PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Yet again Sinn Fein are the only ones to stand up to this disgrace of a government.

No.

Dionysus · 30-11-2010 05:41PM

phantom_lord wrote: »

How do they work that out?

Do they have any legal basis for a challenge?

If the government does not have a vote in the Dáil it would seem that Sinn Féin could be on strong grounds under Article 29 Section 5 & 6 of Bunreacht na hÉireann?

5. 1° Every international agreement to which the State becomes a party shall be laid before Dáil Éireann.

2° The State shall not be bound by any international agreement involving a charge upon public funds unless the terms of the agreement shall have been approved by Dáil Éireann.

3° This section shall not apply to agreements or conventions of a technical and adminstrative character.

6. No international agreement shall be part of the domestic law of the State save as may be determined by the Oireachtas.

Here

Other than that, I'm not sure what the constitutional basis of their opposition is.

30-11-2010 05:50PM

Stekelly wrote: »

So SF are going to stop us getting money and the unions are going to bring the country to a grinding halt to prevent us from stopping spending money we dont have, I cant see how any of this will adversely affect us.

Ahh no....AFAIK they would like the bailout to be stopped so that we the people are not saddled with debt to ensure Franco German bondholders dont lose out on their gamble on the Irish banks.

This explains it nicely
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7806291/

Forest Master · 30-11-2010 05:53PM

Saila wrote: »

wont someone please think of the children soverinty

Learn to spell it before you spout it.

Sonnenblumen · 30-11-2010 05:55PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Yet again Sinn Fein are the only ones to stand up to this disgrace of a government.

and also disgrace the majority of irish people.

Tis the season for balaclavas, tra alala lala...oh no:(

prinz · 30-11-2010 05:57PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Yet again Sinn Fein are the only ones to stand up to this disgrace of a government.

Nope, they are the only ones who think so little of the electorate to realise that even if this "challenge" fails stupid people will still be duped into voting for them. Populism for the win.

darragh16 · 30-11-2010 05:58PM

Why should Gerry Adams have any say in Irish politics. He's a representative in a foreign country?

magma69 · 30-11-2010 05:59PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Yet again Sinn Fein are the only ones to stand up to this disgrace of a government.

How do you work that one out?

sensibleken · 30-11-2010 05:59PM

prinz wrote: »

Nope, they are the only ones who think so little of the electorate to realise that even if this "challenge" fails stupid people will still be duped into voting for them. Populism for the win.

I dont like sinn fein at all. but they have a compelling chance of bringing it through. Also Labour raised the exact same issue. Wonder why there are two threads attributing it to Sinn fein alone

stovelid · 30-11-2010 06:06PM

sensibleken wrote: »

Wonder why there are two threads attributing it to Sinn fein alone

Partisanship?

Notorious97 · 30-11-2010 06:10PM

darragh16 wrote: »

Why should Gerry Adams have any say in Irish politics. He's a representative in a foreign country?

Gerry Adams is Irish and can have a say in Irelands politics or wherever else he likes.

Hes resigning his seat in West Belfast to run in Louth as far as im aware, don’t be so ignorant.

He is probably more Irish than most people within the 26 counties. As i said in my post on page one, fair play to SF doing this if they follow through, and to all the purely anti republicans / anti irish this site seems to breed its time for action and not words, if a party (in this case SF) can bring about some change in this shocking deal, we should all be behind them regardless of how we feel about a party. They are Irish and they are at least attempting to help do something about the mess FF has created.

phantom_lord · 30-11-2010 06:11PM

Dionysus wrote: »

If the government does not have a vote in the Dáil it would seem that Sinn Féin could be on strong grounds under Article 29 Section 5 & 6 of Bunreacht na hÉireann?

5. 1° Every international agreement to which the State becomes a party shall be laid before Dáil Éireann.

2° The State shall not be bound by any international agreement involving a charge upon public funds unless the terms of the agreement shall have been approved by Dáil Éireann.

3° This section shall not apply to agreements or conventions of a technical and adminstrative character.

6. No international agreement shall be part of the domestic law of the State save as may be determined by the Oireachtas.

Here

Other than that, I'm not sure what the constitutional basis of their opposition is.

Don't think it counts as an international agreement in this context though.

Donkey Oaty · 30-11-2010 06:12PM

darragh16 wrote: »

Why should Gerry Adams have any say in Irish politics. He's a representative in a foreign country?

Well, who else will galvanize the pro-paedophile vote?

Millicent · 30-11-2010 06:14PM

Giggernaut wrote: »

Fail - in that Sinn Fein will huff and puff with great gusto but will ultimately fizzle out.

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Sinn Fein can say what they want because they know they'll never have to follow up on it.

Considering that they just successfully fought against the government's refusal to hold a by-election in Donegal, I wouldn't be too sure about that.

Donkey Oaty · 30-11-2010 06:15PM

Notorious97 wrote: »

He is probably more Irish than most people within the 26 counties.

Explain, so it can be ridiculed appropriately.

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