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How do you feel about pro video gamers?

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  • #32
    Naikon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    Why? Being a pro Quake player takes far more skill, talent and dedication than being a pro soccer player (only partly because there are so many pro soccer players).

    Two of the founders of SK gaming are actually now professional footballers. There is a large overlap between people who are good at FPS games and good at real-life sports, because they require the same type of skills... unlike so-called "strategy" games.

    He should watch a few Quake duels. Plenty of money to be made if you play at a pro level. Just to note, boards.ie started off as an Irish Quake forum. Don't diss de Quake.

    Pro gaming is not for me though. Would not have the patience to play for hours every day.


  • #33
    Sabre0001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    NERDS



    :pac:

    🤪



  • #34
    pwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭pwd


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    Here's an idea of what 300 actions per minute looks like. Even just try pressing random keys that fast, it's pretty hard yet this guy is pressing every key with a thought out intention and overall strategy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCLqryN-Q
    I think it's funny that the second guy has an optimus keyboard. [A keyboard where the letters on the keys are replaced by the action they represent]. He obviously already knows what keys map to what! X)

    I agree that rts/mmorpg games are often less tactical/strategic than fps games. A bit of cunning can often let you beat players who are faster and more accurate in fps games. I don't think that's true very often in games like starcraft or WoW.


  • #35
    SuperInfinity
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    Naikon wrote: »
    He should watch a few Quake duels. Plenty of money to be made if you play at a pro level. Just to note, boards.ie started off as an Irish Quake forum. Don't diss de Quake.

    Wow, I never knew that. Yeah, Quake is the best, no other FPS game comes close to the sheer complexity and skill required for Quake. The more casual FPS games most people play nowadays have nothing on Quake.

    Here's a video of the holder of the Intel Exteme Masters in Quake commentating on one of the games in the final.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdkDjsBiO58

    Naikon wrote: »
    Pro gaming is not for me though. Would not have the patience to play for hours every day.

    You'd almost definitely never make it anyway even if you played every single second for the rest of your life, nobody here would.

    Some people don't seem to get it that you can't just become a great player at a complex game like Quake just by playing all day. You will be toast, ESPECIALLY in Quake. It doesn't matter how much you play... there will be thousands of players that could easily beat you. If it depended just on practice it wouldn't be worth anything.

    Also, all of the world champion quake players, are quite physically fit. You don't have any fatties on the world stages of Quake, they just wouldn't have the reaction speed, accuracy, or the wellbeing to compete at the highest level.


  • #36
    cloneslad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭cloneslad


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    Is chess a sport or just a game?

    in my opinion, which is what you're asking, no it's not a sport. If you can sit down for the entire length of the game and exert no physical energy, then it's not a sport.

    If you are giving chess a status of sport then you will have to give scrabble, connect 4, monopoly and tiddly winks the status too.


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  • #37
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    Why? Being a pro Quake player takes more skill, talent and dedication than being a pro soccer player (only partly because there are so many pro soccer players).

    Two of the original members of SK gaming are now professional footballers, I think there is another guy who became a pro basketball player. There is a large overlap between people who are good at FPS games and good at real-life sports, because they require the same type of skills of learning what works and getting incredibly good at it... unlike so-called "strategy" games.

    Pretty much my point. The 'are now' part is the clincher. They got old, slowed down, then played ball games.


  • #38
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,043 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    cloneslad wrote: »
    Starcraft is huge here in Korea with at least 2-3 channels dedicated to showing it 24/7. The kids adore pro-gamers and they make a fortune at it (afaik).


    One of my friends likes to play it, and spends 6-7 hours a night in a pc room dedicated to gaming (of which there are thousands here). He likes to refer to it as a sport, but it's not a sport. sitting in front of a computer screen playing war games is and never shall be classed as a sport...ffs the lad is about 5ft4 and 17stone, how could he be a sports player??

    Clearly you've never watched pro darts games.


  • #39
    cloneslad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭cloneslad


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Clearly you've never watched pro darts games.

    Andy fordham...legend till he lost all the weight :)

    darts is a pub sport.


  • #40
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    I'd do it if I could, the guys who play in LAN competitions rake in thousands from ad sponsorship and deals with graphics cards companies and controller manufacturers for using their products. Theres a whole community of people who play Call of Duty and Battlefield and the like online with their own youtube channels (even a few boardsies do) and its a great way to learn how to play the games and improve your own skill.


  • #41
    seanbmc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭seanbmc


    We see esports already has a huge following over in Korea and I think it's only a matter of time before it becomes a more widely recognised and respected form of sport. You have organisations like MLG that have tournaments in America and have a pretty substantial fan base. I don't understand why people are so against the idea, why already have things like Poker being played at a profesional level and there is huge money to be made, how is esports any different?


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  • #42
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    So someone who does nothing but **** 5 times a day but then wins the lotto they stop being a waster?

    Did they gain the money through **** 5 times a day?


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Keep it up then...you're on the right track.


    Hello Mr Gamer, please..continue to do what you do. You contribute to society oh so much :D


  • #43
    Vargulf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Vargulf


    SV wrote: »
    Hello Mr Gamer, please..continue to do what you do. You contribute to society oh so much :D
    Says yer man with 6000+ posts.


  • #44
    Sabre0001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    seanbmc wrote: »
    We see esports already has a huge following over in Korea and I think it's only a matter of time before it becomes a more widely recognised and respected form of sport. You have organisations like MLG that have tournaments in America and have a pretty substantial fan base. I don't understand why people are so against the idea, why already have things like Poker being played at a profesional level and there is huge money to be made, how is esports any different?

    Marketing...

    That and accessibility - any group can get together for a game of poker and banter. eSports is the highest level of gaming so more serious (less banter). With poker, you can hit a lucky hand (soccer, you can get rewarded for effort, etc) - eSport titles are less forgiving.

    MLG is doing well with sponsorship deals and Korea is a no-brainer. Gotta put the ground work in first though before being massive.....a lot of organisations were going for the quick buck and instant gratification.

    🤪



  • #45
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    SuperInfinity your idea of simply watching what a strategy player does in a certain situation and then just copying him is pretty dumb. There are 10^123 game trees in chess which is more than the number if planets in the universe, good look memorising them all:D

    It's also been said that no two game if "Go" are the same out of all the millions played.


  • #46
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    Vargulf wrote: »
    Says yer man with 6000+ posts.

    Right?

    Not sure if you know how this concept of time and averages works but..yeah
    doesn't really stop me working or contributing to society though! ;)


  • #47
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    I dont understand how people can find the time to play computer games tbh
    I've got nothing against them and used to love playing the playstation but you have to spend hours upon hours at a game, and often end up staying up way too late. There's not a hope in hell I could do that now what with having to work and do general jobs that need doing every evening


  • #48
    Sabre0001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Some people have time to play games...some do not - just like any hobby. For example, some people watch the X Factor 2 (?) hours a week, others play games. Some people do not have the time for hobbies because of other commitments.

    Most pro players are very young - "retirement" usually comes in mid-20s. Mainly because there isn't enough structure so it is more of a risk to depend on it as you gain commitments rather than when you are young and have the novel chance to travel around the world, meet new people with a common interest and play video games.

    🤪



  • #49
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    SV wrote: »
    Right?

    Not sure if you know how this concept of time and averages works but..yeah
    doesn't really stop me working or contributing to society though! ;)

    Pro gamers do work, hence the whole "pro" part of it, they get paid for what they do. Thats like saying a pro footballer is a waster as all he does is kick a ball around a field for 90 mins a week.


  • #50
    chopperbyrne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,143 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS7hkwbKmBM


    The commentator loses it at the end, but the skill and nerves it takes to do that in the semi-final of the biggest tournament in the world when one mistake will cost you the match is something to be admired.


  • #51
    PanchoVilla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    Biggins wrote: »
    If they don't go near my Jelly Babies, live and let live!

    *steals Jelly Babies*

    If you can get paid to do something you really love then more power to you.


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  • #52
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    I don't think that will ever happen. I don't follow soccer but I watch the world cup and can understand what's going on straight away. It's not really possible in a large strategy game.

    But I do hope the snobby way of looking down on gamers goes away, it's strange how someone can admire a grand master chess player but look down on a more complex game like civ5 or star craft.

    Thanks for the laugh :)


  • #53
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Thanks for the laugh :)

    Whats funny about it?


  • #54
    Vargulf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Vargulf


    SV wrote: »
    Right?

    Not sure if you know how this concept of time and averages works but..yeah
    doesn't really stop me working or contributing to society though! ;)
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69004986&postcount=61

    Have you washed them clothes yet?
    Yes, I am that much of a stalker that I went and checked your posts!


  • #55
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    Vargulf wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69004986&postcount=61

    Have you washed them clothes yet?
    Yes, I am that much of a stalker that I went and checked your posts!

    Laziness does not equal being a waster..
    lol



    You gamers get butt hurt so easy


  • #56
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    I have a simple litmus test for determining if I consider something to be a sport. Can you compete in it while eating a kebab and drinking a pint of beer? So boxing, pole vaulting, soccer, basketball, cycling.......these things are sports. Computer gaming, chess, bowling, darts......these things are games, sometimes very tough games, particularly when playing against good players, but they are not sports.

    I've no problem with pro gamers but gaming is not a sport and they are not athletes. Trying to claim they are is just stupid.


  • #57
    Vargulf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Vargulf


    SV wrote: »
    Laziness does not equal being a waster..
    lol



    You gamers get butt hurt so easy

    Your just jealous that we get super-duper-uber scores on Call of Duty everynight while you have to wash your clothes.
    strobe wrote: »
    I have a simple litmus test for determining if I consider something to be a sport. Can you compete in it while eating a kebab and drinking a pint of beer? So boxing, pole vaulting, soccer, basketball, cycling.......these things are sports. Computer gaming, chess, bowling, darts......these things are games, sometimes very tough games, particularly when playing against good players, but they are not sports.

    I've no problem with pro gamers but gaming is not a sport and they are not athletes. Trying to claim they are is just stupid.

    http://thefutureofthings.com/news/1178/cogain-gaming-without-your-hands.html


  • #58
    Misanthrope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Misanthrope


    I envy them a little bit.Sounds like a fun career.


  • #59
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    strobe wrote: »
    I have a simple litmus test for determining if I consider something to be a sport. Can you compete in it while eating a kebab and drinking a pint of beer? So boxing, pole vaulting, soccer, basketball, cycling.......these things are sports. Computer gaming, chess, bowling, darts......these things are games, sometimes very tough games, particularly when playing against good players, but they are not sports.

    I've no problem with pro gamers but gaming is not a sport and they are not athletes. Trying to claim they are is just stupid.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_sports


  • #60
    Angron
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Music Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 24,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭Angron


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    Do you consider finding out who is the best at a strategy game a legitimate sport just like finding out who can run the fastest?
    Why don't most people find being able to make 300 tactical desions in a minute as impressive as being able to run 100m in 10 seconds. My view is that convential sports are more accessible because they are easy to understand with very basic rules so anybody can follow what's going on.

    Not all sports are like that. For instance; I still cannot, for the life of me, understand cricket.


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  • #61
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    Starcraft is NOT LIKE CHESS OR GO.

    But nice try attempting to lump RTS games in with the likes of Chess and Go. RTS games have NOTHING in common with those games, apart from being called "strategy" games.

    Quake has more in common with chess than a game like Starcraft does. Both have simple and well-defined rules, it's not a closed game where it's an elusive set of game equations you're trying to estimate. You can see everything before you on a chess board and with Quake, you don't have to be worried about someone else using some cheap strategy because he saw it working before.

    All a person would need to get very good at an RTS games is a very extensive if-then-else guide that would show them all the strategies they need, and they would become very good from that.

    Also, they don't know how many trees there are in chess, your 10^123 is a total estimation. If they could figure out all the trees then they would have it solved.

    Lol every game can be completed with a comprehensive if-then else guide:)

    You could say that any FPS game be completed once you have a fast enough twitch reflex.

    Civ5 is far more complicated than chess and is one if the examples I used. I still rate SC2 higher than chess. Your whole concept if strategy is flawed and your missing the key component of strategy and that's efficiency which SC2 pushes much stinger than although chess A.I push it hard as well.


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