Great Replays/Discussion

TheDoc · 10-11-2010 09:44PM

DrMorphine wrote: »

Nicley played. Also 5 of your scv's didnt mine till about 10 seconds after the start which would of been huge advantage for rusher. This happened to me twice on 2 player maps and both times I done what you did and then massed marines and won.

Yeah noticed that, cat jumped through the window onto my bed and frightened the flossy off me, hence the delayed start :P

TheDoc · 10-11-2010 09:45PM

Grimebox wrote: »

It was a good idea to move to your natural. I think you should have sent your first 2 marines straight his base though. You could have ended it a little sooner. If he is cannon rushing you, he always has nothing at his main! I don't know why he was so determined to get an expo up. He could have been in an ok position if he didn't expand to his natural and just build some units. wp

I find normally that cannon rushers are so slow getting zealots up.

I knew that marauders own cannons, and they own zealots and they dominate stalkers so with a rush like that I tend to settle back, rack up some marauders and then steam roll which I did nicely

Starport was incase he gathered some sneaky void rays

ShadowHearth · 13-11-2010 11:04PM

i dont know if you add only pro gamer replies, but i will still add my one. i won(silver) vs plat fella, who was quite good.

good PVT match, quite long, but not turtle game.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/98677-1v1-terran-protoss-steppes-of-war

TheDoc · 18-11-2010 12:04AM

My first win as my new race Protoss

Think I did well this game

Grimebox · 18-11-2010 12:34AM

TheDoc wrote: »

My first win as my new race Protoss

Think I did well this game

As a protoss player myself I'll give my 2c, this advice may not be entirely correct mind you.

First pylon ALWAYS at 9 supply, you built at 10 therefore supply blocking yourself.

I wouldnt wall off in PvP. Only in PvZ do I wall off.

Don't use a pylon in your wall as well. They are very easily taken down. Also spread out your pylon more so your covering multiple building with their fields. If he pushed and took out that one pylon at your ramp, all your gates are down. Bad situation for you.

Always build probes at the start unless your going for a chessey build. Transfer probes from your main to natural as soon as its built and continue building probes off BOTH nexus' (nexi?).

Build more gateways. At least 3 per base mining is okay guidelines imo. Always be producing from them. Otherwise they are a waste. 'Y' is the hot key (in grid) for all available warpgates.

Nice micro with the stalkers and colosi. Some of his retreating is awful

Same with with your next expo, transfer probes and build way more probes!! Your natural is only half saturated. His economy was miles better the entire game.

TheDoc · 18-11-2010 01:01AM

Thanks man, had a look again at it and there was some silly mistakes like building probes and ****

That seems to be my main problem, cant shake wc3 mode, keep forgetting about workers ;O

Tenger · 20-11-2010 02:26AM

Not a great replay but I was happy with it.

Bronze level TvT on jungle basin

Both of us went for drops. He got in first and did better than me. I lost my expo,he had to retreat his main CC. Next minutes spent trying to rebuild. At one point at approx 18 minutes he had double the income of me. Though I was about to get floored. However I dropped, retreated, dropped at 22 minutes in and wiped him. So happy for me.

Critiques welcomed and needed.

Am settling on this rax, gas, factory, rax, gas, starport, rax build. Seems to let me get troops up early, get a drop or 2 in while I try to get to siege tech.

NeoSlicerZ · 20-11-2010 03:14AM

For RM...

PvZ not PvT but the build is roughly the same. Fast aggressive 3G into expo into tech path, in this case 6g robo into a third. Timing is a bit off since I took 3rd and 4th gasses and made a robo but still eliminates muta pressure. I delay colossi/HT in lieu of getting a third up fast.

RoyalMarine · 20-11-2010 01:33PM

excellent neo! watching it now!

ShadowHearth · 20-11-2010 06:47PM

NeoSlicerZ wrote: »

For RM...

PvZ not PvT but the build is roughly the same. Fast aggressive 3G into expo into tech path, in this case 6g robo into a third. Timing is a bit off since I took 3rd and 4th gasses and made a robo but still eliminates muta pressure. I delay colossi/HT in lieu of getting a third up fast.

thats actually really good, quite alot of damage from those 5 stalkers, surprisingly enought, really durable vz zerglings...

its prety much 4-6 gate pus

Tenger · 21-11-2010 03:10PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Was well happy with this game this morning.

Very nice counter to the cannon rush.

Why did you build the depot in your main after you left, seems like it was a waste.

I agree that sending the 2 marines to his base would have won the game.
But if that had of been me I would have been wary of troops in his base. I would assume he has at least a gateway in his main. Maybe when you had 5 marauders attacking send 2 to his base as scouts?

Seems mad that he decided to expo into your main with only a single gateway to back it up (I have been rushed with 3 gateways in my natural on Delta Quadrant. With 3 up I couldn't keep him contained) If this guy had of built 2 gateways rather than the nexus in your main he could have keep you boxed into your natural.

TheDoc wrote: »

My first win as my new race Protoss
Think I did well this game

I do too. Seems mad that he went for 6 gate then played very passive. His first attack was terrible, he had more troops than you but by splitting them up he allowed you to defeat them seperately, and his retreat to your backdoor was 'strange'. I thought he was going to sent more troops to your front bur they jusy stayed at home. I really liked your micro to take out the zealots before going in with the stalkers. As a non-protoss player I would also suggest building more gateways early.

I'm sure you will get the marco very quickly. Looking at your opponent I think it shows how having a good build doesn't make you a good player. He had a better build than you, (at one point the unit count was 79 to 51). He was well ahead of you in economy but didn't know what to do with it. You were aggressive and pushed him back,

nesf · 21-11-2010 07:25PM

Just played a BM Terran player who bunker rushed me. He vastly over-estimated how much it'd set me back and got wtfpwned for his ignorance. With the obligatory rage quit of course.

String · 21-11-2010 08:01PM

nesf wrote: »

Just played a BM Terran player who bunker rushed me. He vastly over-estimated how much it'd set me back and got wtfpwned for his ignorance. With the obligatory rage quit of course.

I hate people like that. Best to not just talk to them. He also started building a ghost academy when you were moving forward with your roaches haha

nesf · 21-11-2010 08:31PM

DrMorphine wrote: »

I hate people like that. Best to not just talk to them. He also started building a ghost academy when you were moving forward with your roaches haha

And two tech labs on his barracks. Yeah you want marauders, but two marines aren't going to hold off 8 roaches no matter how much you want them to.

Jonny7 · 22-11-2010 08:45AM

Check out minigun's stream on teamliquid

I think he is the number 1 or 2 American player on ladder

Protoss, plays very calm and steady, not some crazy 300 apm spam clickfest, just very solid - when he builds up the stalkers, sentries, Collosus, templars he is pretty much unstoppable - very very cool micro in the battles, uses spells to great effect

TheDoc · 22-11-2010 02:40PM

Cheers for the feedback.

I'll put up a few more protoss reps in a litlte pack after I play some games this week.

Look forward to hearing more good and bad **** about my play to help me improve

TheDoc · 25-11-2010 01:02AM

Heres another one for feedback, was pretty epic to play in, I nearly GG'd three times, ended up winning.

This would be a typical game of mine, early pressure going well, feel comfortable, expand, and then all of a sudden I loose it.

Feedback welcomed as always

Deadloc · 25-11-2010 05:17PM

lack of good ZvZ here so I thought I throw this one up.

Lasted longer than the normal 10 mins.

Grimebox · 26-11-2010 01:21AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Heres another one for feedback, was pretty epic to play in, I nearly GG'd three times, ended up winning.

This would be a typical game of mine, early pressure going well, feel comfortable, expand, and then all of a sudden I loose it.

Feedback welcomed as always

I watched it on quite a fast speed so i didnt notice much but the only thing that massively stood out for me was when he took out your expo. You sent your probes to your unknown gold expo right past him letting him know that it was there. I would have just pulled them back into the main and used them to fight off his attack

TheDoc · 26-11-2010 02:58PM

Grimebox wrote: »

I watched it on quite a fast speed so i didnt notice much but the only thing that massively stood out for me was when he took out your expo. You sent your probes to your unknown gold expo right past him letting him know that it was there. I would have just pulled them back into the main and used them to fight off his attack

Yeah, at that point I was a bit stressed and I was pretty much in the GG mood, I was panicing big time, thats why I took that gold expo, to just get something up

Tenger · 27-11-2010 04:47AM

This is NOT a good replay.

I just want to show the mad, bizare people that you meet on the internet. Have a look, game lasts less then 3 minutes. He did give me a gl hf at the start too!!

Khazidhea · 27-11-2010 03:00PM

An hour long FFA featuring MothershipS, VRs, BCs, mass sentries, sneaky DT attacks, resource starvation, etc etc.

My first FFA game ever in SC2 xD

pixelburp · 27-11-2010 11:01PM

I just finished a mad game on Blistering Sands, it felt positively epic: ok, my macro was bad, ditto the injecting & possibly had worse scouting & yet despite that I somehow managed to win the game.

I should have GG'ed after he (non cloak) Banshee rushed me, but stuck at it. I think 15 Hatch saved me.

nesf · 28-11-2010 05:53AM

Interesting game. Mass, mass void rays from Protoss. We're talking 20+ or so. I had mass Hydra. He should have won but was too passive with his VRs and let me macro up too much.

Still an interesting game imho.

RoyalMarine · 29-11-2010 03:43AM

just played a 2v2.

i went zerg, ally went terran.
enemy were both random, and they got toss / zerg.

i scouted early enough, but the enemy toss cheese'd it. he took out my ally's base with help from a mazz ling / zealot army.

my ally didnt quit! oh no! he lifted off, and we ****in raped them! hillarious mistakes by them. and i think i did pretty well to counter everything!

have to admit, it was touch and go for ages. 2v1 for a long time.

and we won! epic win i think.

Tenger · 29-11-2010 03:53PM

RoyalMarineComm wrote: »

just played a 2v2.
.....i went zerg, ally went terran......have to admit, it was touch and go for ages. 2v1 for a long time.

Nice replay. Shows how you can recover form an early setback. The zerg enemy wasn't great though. A few zergling roaming the map could have stopped you partner setting up again.

I was aching to see a medivac drop onto the mineral line of the protoss enemy. His base was empty. Once you took out his proxy gates ye had it won.

Is that a blizzard map, couldn't see it.

Edit: I second the below. My mate is better at offense than me so I often let him 'take' some of my units and head off while I macro.

Jonny7 · 29-11-2010 06:09PM

Share units in 2v2.. insist on it

If you get cheesed and wiped out, then you can control your teammates army while he macros - have won a good few games this way.. is crazy

NeoSlicerZ · 30-11-2010 02:48AM

The worst thor all in I've ever seen.

TheDoc · 30-11-2010 03:09PM

NeoSlicerZ wrote: »

The worst thor all in I've ever seen.

Was checking your profile btw last night, if I didnt say it before, gratz on the sterling rise to the top of Diamond with a seriously impressive 2000+ rating.

Tenger · 30-11-2010 03:25PM

NeoSlicerZ wrote: »

The worst thor all in I've ever seen.

Nice of him to sent them in a neat line like that!

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