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Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

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  • #482
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Z Brannigan wrote: »
    Only unionists, west Brits and Fine Gaelers wear them - and they can hardly be considered true Irish people anyway.

    Oh, haven't you heard..?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GX8z8raTZo


  • #483
    Misanthrope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Misanthrope


    Einhard wrote: »
    :confused:

    What on earth does that have to do with my point about Gibraltar and the Falklands?! Or are you suggesting that we deny them a democratic choice because the Brits did that in India in the last century?! Seriously, for someone who presumably opposes imperialism, you have some strange notions about democracy...

    That is the most evasive riposte in the thread.Are you a politician?Why didn't you answer the question.It's by no means off topic.


  • #484
    Z Brannigan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭Z Brannigan


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Why not?
    Because they spend most of their time trying not to be Irish.


  • #485
    PARKHEAD67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    There's a thread on this where poppy wearers have explained why they wear it. Hmm....not sure where it has disappeared to....
    I'd love to see those poppy lovers walking down the streets of Moyross proudly displaying their poppies.


  • #486
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Z Brannigan wrote: »
    Because they spend most of their time trying not to be Irish.
    Im not Irish. I don't see the problem.


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  • #487
    Misanthrope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Misanthrope


    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    I'd love to see those poppy lovers walking down the streets of Moyross proudly displaying their poppies.

    Maybe we should wear some kind of plastic flower on this day to commemorate the massacre of 91 people in this thread.See poll.:D


  • #488
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    I'd love to see those poppy lovers walking down the streets of Moyross proudly displaying their poppies.

    LOL, just LOL.

    That says more about the people in Moyross than the poppy wearers.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #489
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    I'd love to see those poppy lovers walking down the streets of Moyross proudly displaying their poppies.

    Er...why?


  • #490
    Z Brannigan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭Z Brannigan


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Im not Irish. I don't see the problem.

    I should clarify that I find it offensive when people wear such a symbol while in Ireland also.


  • #491
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    You suggested examples and I sugested polar examples. Do you understand?

    What? Suggested examples of what exactly? I have no idea what you're talking about. Someone suggested that Gibraltar and the Falklands were examples of contemporary British imperialism, and I pointed out that the people who live there have made the decision to remain part of Britain. And then you started blathering about India.


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  • #492
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Why not?

    well I cant speak for anyone else but I dont because my uncle under british rule had to fight for rights for people not to be discriminated apoun based on what they choose to beleive.


  • #493
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    well I cant speak for anyone else but I dont because my uncle under british rule had to fight for rights for people not to be discriminated apoun based on what they choose to beleive.

    Your uncle sounds like a sound person. I'm sure he'd respect you for not wearing the poppy, and agree that people that choose to do so should not be discriminated against.


  • #494
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Meh.
    The old man wore it. He moved to England in 1949, so the memory of WW2 would still have been fresh in the minds of the people there. He lived there for 7 years before moving back here. He was only 15 at the time.

    The thing that cracks me up about all this hysteria is that a local Irish gay guy who is also Catholic orders a load of poppies every year. One of them goes on my father's grave.

    I appreciate the gesture, but what makes me laugh is the fact that militant Catholic Republicans would really hate this dude for being gay and wearing a poppy.

    I wouldn't wear one myself because what happened then had no affect on my life, but for those it did affect, I have no problem with them wearing it or something grammatically correct.


  • #495
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Z Brannigan wrote: »
    I should clarify that I find it offensive when people wear such a symbol while in Ireland also.

    I find it offensive that other people think they have the right to determine what others can and cannot wear. It's amazing how those here who are so vociferous in their hatred of Empire, are so ready to impose their own thoughts and beliefs on others, even to the point of oppoising democratic free will.


  • #496
    Z Brannigan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭Z Brannigan


    Einhard wrote: »
    I find it offensive that other people think they have the right to determine what others can and cannot wear. It's amazing how those here who are so vociferous in their hatred of Empire, are so ready to impose their own thoughts and beliefs on others, even to the point of oppoising democratic free will.

    Where have I said that I have the right to determine what people wear?

    I pointed out that I personally find it offensive. Am I not entitled to have an opinion?

    The same way I would find it offensive if somebody wore a Swastika while walking around Israel, I find it offensive for somebody to wear a poppy in Ireland.


  • #497
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Z Brannigan wrote: »
    Where have I said that I have the right to determine what people wear?

    I pointed out that I personally find it offensive. Am I not entitled to have an opinion?

    The same way I would find it offensive if somebody wore a Swastika while walking around Israel, I find it offensive for somebody to wear a poppy in Ireland.

    Forget the poppy - let's talk about me!


  • #498
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Z Brannigan wrote: »
    Where have I said that I have the right to determine what people wear?

    I pointed out that I personally find it offensive. Am I not entitled to have an opinion?

    The same way I would find it offensive if somebody wore a Swastika while walking around Israel, I find it offensive for somebody to wear a poppy in Ireland.

    It's the general belligerent attitude that *some* who dislike the poppy have. That anyone who wears one is a traitor or a West Brit etc. It's pretty pathetic really. I can understand why some people might have a personal issue with them, but to resort to that kind of idiotic generalisation is ridiculous.


  • #499
    PARKHEAD67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Er...why?
    Er...because what would ensue would lead to much hilarity.:D


  • #500
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Z Brannigan wrote: »
    The same way I would find it offensive if somebody wore a Swastika while walking around Israel.

    Just Israel ?


  • #501
    Misanthrope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Misanthrope


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Your uncle sounds like a sound person. I'm sure he'd respect you for not wearing the poppy, and agree that people those that choose to do so should not be discriminated against.

    Anyone is free to wear a poppy.And I am free to vociferate my disgust.I don't have to like it.I do have to allow it though.I'm not impinging on their right to choose.

    I am exercising my god given right to free speech.There are some people in here have a problem with that.Their problems are only just beginning.

    What exactly do you mean by discrimination in this context?Mere criticism, or something beyond that.

    I discriminate against them in so far as I cannot allow myself to trust them and don't want to have anything to do with them.I think that is within my rights


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  • #502
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    Er...because what would ensue would lead to much hilarity.:D

    Er...what hilarity?


  • #503
    PARKHEAD67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    Einhard wrote: »
    It's the general belligerent attitude that *some* who dislike the poppy have. That anyone who wears one is a traitor or a West Brit etc. It's pretty pathetic really. I can understand why some people might have a personal issue with them, but to resort to that kind of idiotic generalisation is ridiculous.
    Bloody Sunday-Lest we forget!


  • #504
    Z Brannigan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭Z Brannigan


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Forget the poppy - let's talk about me!
    What's your point?

    The individual I was responsing to made a point about what I had said regarding the poppy. To which I responded.

    If you can't add anything constructive to the thread then perhaps you should leave.


  • #505
    PARKHEAD67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Er...what hilarity?
    the hilarity that would ensue.:D


  • #506
    Z Brannigan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭Z Brannigan


    Einhard wrote: »
    It's the general belligerent attitude that *some* who dislike the poppy have. That anyone who wears one is a traitor or a West Brit etc. It's pretty pathetic really. I can understand why some people might have a personal issue with them, but to resort to that kind of idiotic generalisation is ridiculous.

    It's not pathetic. Unless of course you believe that those who wear them are too stupid to understand what the poppy symbolises.


  • #507
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Einhard wrote: »
    What? Suggested examples of what exactly? I have no idea what you're talking about. Someone suggested that Gibraltar and the Falklands were examples of contemporary British imperialism, and I pointed out that the people who live there have made the decision to remain part of Britain. And then you started blathering about India.

    do you know what the term polar refers to?


  • #508
    PARKHEAD67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    Misanthrope wrote: »
    Maybe we should wear some kind of plastic flower on this day to commemorate the massacre of 91 people in this thread.See poll.:D
    LOL. :D


  • #509
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Your uncle sounds like a sound person. I'm sure he'd respect you for not wearing the poppy, and agree that people that choose to do so should not be discriminated against.

    yes very true he was just that and I never say no one can wear it , It wouldnt do me any good talking about imperialisim and then dictate what people should wear!


  • #510
    Misanthrope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Misanthrope


    Stick a poppy and medal on this.This is what war does.Watching this will be a far greater thing than buying plastic flowers

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS1dO0JC2EE


    You don't see guys like this much in the news do you?


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  • #511
    Misanthrope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Misanthrope


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    do you know what the term polar refers to?

    Bears right?


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