Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

Misanthrope · 13-11-2010 10:24AM

getz wrote: »

the republic of cyprus[EU member] british troops are in cyprus be request of the cyprus goverment and the UN on a peace keeping role,the british are the only one that both the turkish and greeks trust,gibraltar EU member [my wife is from there] most people who live there are orignally from malta[800 years ago] and have no love for the spanish.falklands are all from british settlers, they also have no love for the argentine, little bit of history for you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories

History lessons from an illiterate?I think not.Where is the history in what you just wrote?

It's G O V E R N M E N T, not Goverment?Any educated person would scowl at the pathetic standard of your English.

I don't care if your wife is from Gibralter.She married an illiterate, so chances are she is uneducated too.

Leave me alone please.

.DarDarBinks · 13-11-2010 10:32AM

Its personal choice but its a media driven tool to promote the british army, its no longer a rememberance thing, many veterans have come out and said this, I cringe when I see Irish people wearing them especially on tv, their wearing them because its pushed on them before they go on screen, also on xfactor its become more of a fashion statement wearing it on your wrist our around your hips, its gone beyond a joke at this stage,

''Your deeds would shame all the devils in hell, Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan, no bloodstained poppys on our hoops'' - Celtic Fans

getz · 13-11-2010 10:37AM

Misanthrope wrote: »

I'm not crying out for a united Ireland.I gave up on that dream years ago.?This thread is about the poppy.

By the way, do you know what syntax is?Punctuation?Am I supposed to take you seriously?

"Goverment"???????? You are kidding right?What age are you?What you have written would be a fail in 2nd class English.You should have taken your blinkers off in school.

You don't even know what a republican is do you?In your simple mind it translates to RA-head.Look it up kid.Did you actually sit a leaving cert.

Stop wasting my time with your incoherent illiteracy.

not all of us had the kind of schooling you have had,when i went to school,my country was in a war,and i had to leave school at 15,i did not,[possibly like your grandparents] have anyone to wipe our bums,my father and my irish grandfather both lost their lives,it seems to me that privilage education does not always broaden the mind ,

Misanthrope · 13-11-2010 10:51AM

getz wrote: »

not all of us had the kind of schooling you have had,when i went to school,my country was in a war,and i had to leave school at 15,i did not,[possibly like your grandparents] have anyone to wipe our bums,my father and my irish grandfather both lost their lives,it seems to me that privilage education does not always broaden the mind ,

Don't make assumptions about my education.Just because I can spell and punctuate doesn't mean I had some advantage denied to you.I went to one of the most physically brutal schools in the country and it wasn't private either before you jump to any more bitter conclusions.

You blame your lack of education, ironically enough ,on war.Your government saw fit to squander the money and lives of your compatriots and not give you an education.Whose fault is that?

Nobody had it as hard as your generation eh?The older you lot get the tougher you were.The rest of us are all silver spooning toffs.Take your attitude to the gates of Harrow or Eton and see how far it gets you with the future law makers and warmongers of your country.They'll laugh you out of it.

I'd trust wiki before I'd ever trust a rag like The Times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories

getz · 13-11-2010 11:16AM

i wish you all the best in life,but i made the best of mine,if you, like me manage to speak three languages,spanish,japanese,english,get yourself a paint chemist degree,play a sport for your country,as well as reaching the last 16 in europe in another sport,by the time you are 70 years old, you will have done well,all this without any high school education,by the way i love the irish and its people i also spend a lot of time there,yet never have i met any anti-british feelings that you put out,yes i have a poppy on my jacket,i do not like to see british soldiers fighting for some british political agenda,

Mike 1972 · 13-11-2010 11:41AM

TheUsual wrote: »

Irish Republicans (those living in the 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland) should not wear one.

Everyone living in the Republic of Ireland is an "Irish Republican" (whatever that means)

Does that make everyone living in the United Kingdom (including Northern Ireland/The six counties/whateveryerhavinyerself) a British Monarchist ?

Nodin · 13-11-2010 12:37PM

K-9 wrote: »

His family descendents may decide so. It isn't for you or your sympathisers to decide how it is done, that would be contrary to true Republican spirit.

By your measurement of WW1 soldiers, WW2 soldiers are more worthy, After all, they had no illusions about war and knew what they were getting into.

mykeyg wrote:

Just because the Brits chose to observe the Poppy as a symbol of Armistace doesn't negate the fact that where parts of the Western front trenches once laid are now fields rich with poppies and soaked up the blood of men from all nations.

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As has been pointed out ad nauseam, the poppy and the funds goes towards all personnell, regardless of where they served or when. It is not limited to the world wars.

Einhard wrote:

People wear the poppy for a myriad of different reasons; they attach their own value and meaning to it, as people have done with symbols throughout history.

The poppy is, however, given a meaning and purpose by the people who are behind the appeal.

Fratton Fred · 13-11-2010 01:00PM

Misanthrope wrote: »

Boo hoo my heart bleeds.Do you know what would be much much lower?Driving into a packed Croke Park and opening fire on civilians.Driving into the market square in Amristar and emptying a gattling gun into a crowd of women and children and elderly men.

But you'd like a minutes silence for Reginald Dyer and his ilk.And you think that deserves respect?I hope they all died slow and roaring.

Please don't judge me by your own low standards.

Misanthrope wrote: »

LMAO........ pull yourself together....... Mr Poopy Pants:P

Did they now?And who oversaw these votes?Presumably, the ruling entity at that point in time which was who?.Can you say 'CORRUPTION' or 'RIGGED VOTE'. But Britain would never do that.That's not cricket old boy!

Britain has no honour.They have lied to and stole from just about everyone which is why Britain is so despised around the world.I mean really despised.

I had a Punjabi neighbour who used to say there are no words in the English language to describe the foulness of the British, that only in her language exist the words to describe.I think she just needs to expand her English vocabulary.

It seems a lot of other languages have at least one specially engineered pejorative reserved for expressing their contempt of Britain.

I had a Punjabi neighbour as well. She loved the British for the way they had welcomed her into their country. She was very proud of the fact that the British never ruled the Punjab and was very quick to acknowledge that when her family were thrown out of Uganda, the British gave her a home.

People around the world don't hold any grudges against the British, it's just people like you who are full of hate/jealousy/nationalism and need an avenue to vent it.

By the way, who should control the Falklands and Gibralter then? The majority of people there want to be British, so what gives you the right to say otherwise. Unless of course you are saying that sparsely populated islands with no real means of funding or defending themselves are automatically the property of their larger, superior neighbour?

getz · 13-11-2010 01:06PM

if you go into any town or village in england,and look at the war memorial do not be surprised to see all the names of irish men on them,and at this time of year,the amount of poppies and wreaths laid.

Nodin · 13-11-2010 01:12PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

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People around the world don't hold any grudges against the British, it's just people like you who are full of hate/jealousy/nationalism and need an avenue to vent it.

This lot don't seem too happy.....
http://india_resource.tripod.com/britishedu.htm

You seem to be making a massive leap from the specific to the general.

K-9 · 13-11-2010 02:13PM

Nodin wrote: »

As has been pointed out ad nauseam, the poppy and the funds goes towards all personnell, regardless of where they served or when. It is not limited to the world wars.

The poppy is, however, given a meaning and purpose by the people who are behind the appeal.

And it has been pointed out repeatedly, the actions of some soldiers in NI, does not mean it is wrong to wear a poppy, same as the Easter Lily isn't tarnished by some members of the IRA.

Donkey Oaty · 13-11-2010 02:27PM

Nodin wrote: »

This lot don't seem too happy.....
http://india_resource.tripod.com/britishedu.htm

You seem to be making a massive leap from the specific to the general.

Fred might have had these guys in mind.

Nodin · 13-11-2010 07:51PM

K-9 wrote: »

And it has been pointed out repeatedly, the actions of some soldiers in NI, does not mean it is wrong to wear a poppy, same as the Easter Lily isn't tarnished by some members of the IRA.

NI, Aden, Burma, Kenya, Iraq, Egypt.....

Donkey oaty wrote:

Fred might have had these guys in mind. .

It would seem its meant much in the sense a member of FG suggested a handover back to the queen.....

The rueful attitude of many former fighters is less a nostalgia for British colonial rulers than a reaction to southern Yemen’s disastrous history since they left.

More notably......

Britain’s dirty war, in which it sent mercenaries to the north to support the deposed royalists against the Egyptian-backed nationalists, while launching RAF air raids on villages in the south that killed scores of civilians, has echoes in today’s Yemen.

They omit the torture, the SAS going in undercover at night to assasinate nationalist leaders, the troops patrolling streets with fixed bayonets, kicking locals out of the way while abusing them with terms such as "golliwog" and "nigger"

steddyeddy · 13-11-2010 08:31PM

People around the world don't hold any grudges against the British, it's just people like you who are full of hate/jealousy/nationalism and need an avenue to vent it.

I have nothing against the british but I like people of many countries dont really want to honour a country whos military killed people for the simple purpose of greed. more land more money and more empire.

Now im not saying that theres anyone alive who sees colonialism as anything more than a mistake of the past and very few hold that sort of polotics today but I have to deal with your next point!

Are you telling me that the people who suffered under british rule in africa, india or burma think the british have been nice people? I know the answer to that as my granddad was born in india but I would love to here why for example people of african descent didnt mind britians role in the slave trade!

I dont personnally dislike the british but my great grandad died in india fighting the british and as a result of propaganda by the british my uncle had to organize civil rights marchs for the rights of catholics in northern ireland so persoannly I dont think I would were a poppy.

Maybe im getting you all wrong though is it the actions of the british army in the past your defending or their actions now ( massive difference).

steddyeddy · 13-11-2010 08:37PM

Einhard wrote: »

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

You're full of BS you know that?

The people of the Falklands, and the people of Gibraltar voted to remain subject to the Bristish crown. That's their democratic perogative. Funny how, for all your condemnation of the BE, you seem every bit as willing to trample over democratic free will as any old style imperialist.

and did india vote for that? did the victums of the slave trade vote for it?

Einhard · 13-11-2010 08:47PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

and did india vote for that? did the victums of the slave trade vote for it?

What on earth does that have to do with my point about Gibraltar and the Falklands?! Or are you suggesting that we deny them a democratic choice because the Brits did that in India in the last century?! Seriously, for someone who presumably opposes imperialism, you have some strange notions about democracy...

steddyeddy · 13-11-2010 09:00PM

Einhard wrote: »

What on earth does that have to do with my point about Gibraltar and the Falklands?! Or are you suggesting that we deny them a democratic choice because the Brits did that in India in the last century?! Seriously, for someone who presumably opposes imperialism, you have some strange notions about democracy...

when did I mention it was anything to do with gibraltar or the falklands

? Im not using my former point to illustrate anything other than the fact that not all peoples of the british empire were givin the luxury of democracy and that influences my opinon regards wearing the poppy.

Einhard · 13-11-2010 09:16PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

when did I mention it was anything to do with gibraltar or the falklands? Im not using my former point to illustrate anything other than the fact that not all peoples of the british empire were givin the luxury of democracy and that influences my opinon regards wearing the poppy.

You quoted my post which was about the Falklands and Gibraltar!! Jesus, if you're going to quote what other peple write, you could at least read it before responding!!

steddyeddy · 13-11-2010 09:21PM

Einhard wrote: »

You quoted my post which was about the Falklands and Gibraltar!! Jesus, if you're going to quote what other peple write, you could at least read it before responding!!

Take a valuim man I quoted your post to make you aware of the fact that not all who were members of the british empire were so under a democratic process and the reason I choose not to see the poppy as a noble cause.

Einhard · 13-11-2010 09:30PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Take a valuim man I quoted your post to make you aware of the fact that not all who were members of the british empire were so under a democratic process and the reason I choose not to see the poppy as a noble cause.

I'm aware of that fact but it had absolutely nothing whatsover to do with what I posted.

steddyeddy · 13-11-2010 09:43PM

Einhard wrote: »

I'm aware of that fact but it had absolutely nothing whatsover to do with what I posted.

You suggested examples and I sugested polar examples. Do you understand?

PARKHEAD67 · 13-11-2010 09:48PM

dclane wrote: »

After watching the x-factor over the weekend I saw that the Irish contestants were all wearing the red poppy. I don't personally see why not, given the vast number of Irish men who died in world war one, but there may be some people who will think differently.

Why in the name of God would any PROPER Irishman wear a poppy???? To fund an army that has prosecuted this country for cenuries? Jesus wept. That is all!!:eek:

Z Brannigan · 13-11-2010 09:49PM

The money raised by the Poppy Appeal goes to people like the soldiers who murdered protesters on Bloody Sunday.

It goes to those who lost legs and arms while invading and torturing the population of Iraq.

It also comemorates those who executed Irish people, both in the early 1900's and more recently in the north.

It remembers those who executed the leaders of 1916 and those who were killed while terrorizing old women and children in the streets of this country.

Any Irish person who wears it is a disgrace.

And I couldn't care less if their relatives died in WW1. Their relatives were traitors to Ireland.

The only poppy that anybody should wear is a White Poppy which remembers ALL of the victims, including the hundreds of thousands murdered by the brave British war machine.

K-9 · 13-11-2010 09:49PM

Nodin wrote: »

NI, Aden, Burma, Kenya, Iraq, Egypt.....

Enniskillen, Warrington, Shankhill etc.

Donkey Oaty · 13-11-2010 09:49PM

Nodin wrote: »

It would seem its meant much in the sense a member of FG suggested a handover back to the queen.....

Michael Ring? I thought he was being sarcastic, but the BBC reported it with a poker face. This was my favourite bit:

A spokeswoman for the Queen refused to comment on Mr Ring's statement.

She added: "The Queen wouldn't be saying anything about that."

Your remarks about the attrocities in Aden and the importance of relativity are right, but the story highlighted the fact that the British regime was "despised" and that was the point - the rebels' views were newsworthy because they were so unexpected.

Donkey Oaty · 13-11-2010 09:52PM

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Why in the name of God would any PROPER Irishman wear a poppy???? To fund an army that has prosecuted this country for cenuries? Jesus wept. That is all!!:eek:

There's a thread on this where poppy wearers have explained why they wear it. Hmm....not sure where it has disappeared to....

Z Brannigan · 13-11-2010 09:55PM

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Why in the name of God would any PROPER Irishman wear a poppy????

They wouldn't.

Or any Irish woman for that matter.

Only unionists, west Brits and Fine Gaelers wear them - and they can hardly be considered true Irish people anyway.

PARKHEAD67 · 13-11-2010 09:59PM

Z Brannigan wrote: »

The money raised by the Poppy Appeal goes to people like the soldiers who murdered protesters on Bloody Sunday.

It goes to those who lost legs and arms while invading and torturing the population of Iraq.

It also comemorates those who executed Irish people, both in the early 1900's and more recently in the north.

It remembers those who executed the leaders of 1916 and those who were killed while terrorizing old women and children in the streets of this country.

Any Irish person who wears it is a disgrace.

And I couldn't care less if their relatives died in WW1. Their relatives were traitors to Ireland.

The only poppy that anybody should wear is a White Poppy which remembers ALL of the victims, including the hundreds of thousands murdered by the brave British war machine.

SPOT ON;).

KeithAFC · 13-11-2010 10:00PM

Z Brannigan wrote: »

They wouldn't.

Or any Irish woman for that matter.

Only unionists, west Brits and Fine Gaelers wear them - and they can hardly be considered true Irish people anyway.

Why not?

PARKHEAD67 · 13-11-2010 10:00PM

Z Brannigan wrote: »

They wouldn't.

Or any Irish woman for that matter.

Only unionists, west Brits and Fine Gaelers wear them - and they can hardly be considered true Irish people anyway.

Obviously any Irish woman also. Not sexist:D

Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

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