Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

Wolfe Tone · 11-11-2010 08:03PM

K-9 wrote: »

True, or the politics board.
I wouldn't wear one but I've no problem with somebody wearing one. How they choose to remember family relatives is there business. The men of WW1 and 2 were forgotten for long enough without belitling their name even more over what symbol to use to remember them.

But its not just remembering them....

K-9 · 11-11-2010 08:16PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

But its not just remembering them....

It is to the people who use it to remember loved ones though. All they are doing is commemorating them.
Can't help be reminded of Eamonn Ceannt and his kind words for the british army who he fought against in 1916. A true Republican who even before his execution bore no ill will to the British Army.

Warper · 11-11-2010 08:43PM

No we shouldn't wear them. They are just for countries in the Commonwealth i.e. more countries that Britain raped and pillaged.

Nodin · 11-11-2010 08:49PM

K-9 wrote: »

It is to the people who use it to remember loved ones though. All they are doing is commemorating them.
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I accept that they might think all they're doing is that, but their perception is not reality. Given the time frame, money garnered is far more likely to benefit a veteran of Aden or Iraq than WWII or I.

Paparazzo · 11-11-2010 11:57PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Not that funny really.

I'm guessing you're a Celtic fan?

aligator_am · 12-11-2010 12:32AM

As far as I know the poppy is a symbol to honour the folk who died in the war, surely that's not a bad thing? most of those poor bastards were brainwashed, and there was no internet to see alternative views on the matter, jingoism was the order of the day, so yeah, I see no issue in wearing the poppy to honour those who died at the behest of those who knew better.

Would be good to see a televised remembrance meeting each year here to show that we haven't forgotten our war dead, sure bejaysus don't the sinn bone gang shout about remembering the war dead at the drop of a hat? do you think they're including the Irish who died in WWI or the near 10 million who apparently were in the GPO? lol

Let's be fair here, the majority of those Irish who were in the British army weren't there to defend the monarchy, they were there to earn a few bob and put food on the family table, people need to factor that in before they start calling these folks traitors.

Wolfe Tone · 12-11-2010 01:20AM

How many times does it need to be bloody said? The poppy is for all British servicemen who have died since ww1.

Scram · 12-11-2010 01:29AM

jesus christ what a bunch of hateful ungrateful tards live in this country.

i know the wearing poppy is a British thing but irish people fought and died in that war as well, they deserve our thoughts and respect.

Ignorant tards...jesus

Wolfe Tone · 12-11-2010 01:33AM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

How many times does it need to be bloody said? The poppy is for all British servicemen who have died since ww1.

Scram wrote: »

jesus christ what a bunch of hateful ungrateful tards live in this country.

i know the wearing poppy is a British thing but irish people fought and died in that war as well, they deserve our thoughts and respect.

Ignorant tards...jesus

I think YOU are the ignorant one as you are not aware of what the poppy stand for. I is just as much for the black and tans, the paras and the troops in the middle east as it is for those who died in WW1.

Scram · 12-11-2010 01:39AM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I think YOU are the ignorant one as you are not aware of what the poppy stand for. I is just as much for the black and tans, the paras and the troops in the middle east as it is for those who died in WW1.

Says the guy with an IRA sig..yeah

Wolfe Tone · 12-11-2010 01:41AM

Scram wrote: »

Says the guy with an IRA sig..yeah

lol! Have a problem with my sig?

What I have said is 100% true

Gratzi22 · 12-11-2010 02:52AM

For a mild republican living in Dubin, after 20+ years as a RC growing up in the most exteme loyalist areas (East Belfast & N'ards), I love life.

flanno_7hi · 12-11-2010 03:03AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballymurphy_Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_1972

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mau_Mau_Uprising

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tans

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=23005

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1920)

crash davis · 12-11-2010 03:16AM

Notorious97 wrote: »

I don’t agree with it at all. It is a personal choice of course, i just think its not something Irish people should do. I will await the flurry of ‘my relatives died fighting for Britain in WW1’ to which i can reply well they were nothing but traitors. I myself have had two great grandfathers fight in this war and this is how i view them. I think the fact it is forced upon you if you are in the UK on TV for example is ridiculous. Of course people should be able to refuse wearing it, there is nothing that could make me wear one if it was requested, the x factor should be ashamed if it is forcing them to wear it.

It is a symbol of oppression to many, Irish people fighting a foreign powers wars both in Ireland and abroad.

I had to respond to this cuz they were definitely not traitors at all - it was Redmond who asked people to volunteer as he believed it would help speed up the implementation of the Home Rule Act. They signed up for the good of their own country, following the proclamations of their leader and his assurances of eventual independence. Sorry, had to get that in. You may not like what they did and who they fought for, but don't call them traitors.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 12-11-2010 06:52AM

I personally wouldnt under any circumstances but if someone else wants to, well off with them.

MyKeyG · 12-11-2010 07:21AM

Is remembrance day not an Allied observation?

Doc · 12-11-2010 07:55AM

I would be happy to wear a real poppy to show my respect for all who died because of war. I would never buy one of the poppies that fund the Royal British Legion and like I said last year I don't think any Irish person should.

LordSutch · 12-11-2010 11:13AM

Doc wrote: »

I would never buy one of the poppies that fund the Royal British Legion and like I said last year I don't think any Irish person should.

If you buy a poppy here in Ireland you contribute to the 'Irish Poppy Appeal fund' and the money collected stays here in Ireland which goes towards the needs of old (Irish) soldiers & their families, its a shame more Irish people are not aware of this . . .

Dionysus · 12-11-2010 12:35PM

MyKeyG wrote: »

Is remembrance day not an Allied observation?

It's been well established already on this thread that Remembrance Day is a memorial day in British Commonwealth countries only. More relevantly, the red poppy is a symbol in those countries alone and is not designed to commemorate people who fought for countries outside of British Commonwealth countries. This is why, for instance, the leaders of France, the United States and Russia do not wear the British poppy. This is also why, in my view, its narrow British nationalistic characteristics make it an inappropriate symbol of war commemoration in an independent sovereign state such as Ireland.

steddyeddy · 12-11-2010 12:36PM

Scram wrote: »

Says the guy with an IRA sig..yeah

it doesnt matter if he was from mars what he said was true

Dionysus · 12-11-2010 01:08PM

LordSutch wrote: »

If you buy a poppy here in Ireland you contribute to the 'Irish Poppy Appeal fund' and the money collected stays here in Ireland which goes towards the needs of old (Irish) soldiers & their families, its a shame more Irish people are not aware of this . . .

If they fought in the British Army then they were British soldiers, and it was Britain to whom they swore their oath of fealty. They neither fought for Ireland nor swore loyalty to Ireland. In fact, they swore to fight any Irish who resisted British rule in Ireland. I sincerely fail to see what's admirable in that. Also, for some reason you omitted to mention that the "Irish Poppy Appeal" is just a cosmetic change: it is, in actuality, the "Irish" branch of the Royal British Legion. Given the politics of the RBL, this appeal doesn't really sound very Irish to me.

When you buy a British poppy you are funding former members of the British military who fought for the British state at a time when fellow Irish people were fighting for the freedom of this small country from the same state. Unless you agree with the aims of British imperialism, this doesn't seem like a sensible thing to support financially.

Fratton Fred · 12-11-2010 01:27PM

Dionysus wrote: »

It's been well established already on this thread that Remembrance Day is a memorial day in British Commonwealth countries only. More relevantly, the red poppy is a symbol in those countries alone and is not designed to commemorate people who fought for countries outside of British Commonwealth countries. This is why, for instance, the leaders of France, the United States and Russia do not wear the British poppy. This is also why, in my view, its narrow British nationalistic characteristics make it an inappropriate symbol of war commemoration in an independent sovereign state such as Ireland.

France, Belgium and the US also observe remembrance day on the 11th November. In Germany it is held on the closest sunday to the 16th November. This year they coincide.

You are mixing up three very seperate things. The poppy is a sign of remembering all those, servicemen and civilians that died in conflict, as is remembrance day. the RBL poppy day appeal is to collect money for ex servicemen.

Fratton Fred · 12-11-2010 01:38PM

Disrespecting a minutes silence on a remembrance day is about as low as you can get. i wonder if the Green brigade scum will do this again this weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXWvXyKhtWA

aDeener · 12-11-2010 01:42PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Disrespecting a minutes silence on a remembrance day is about as low as you can get. i wonder if the Green brigade scum will do this again this weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXWvXyKhtWA

no it's not

snaps · 12-11-2010 01:44PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Disrespecting a minutes silence on a remembrance day is about as low as you can get. i wonder if the Green brigade scum will do this again this weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXWvXyKhtWA

Horrific.

Nodin · 12-11-2010 01:44PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

.........Green brigade scum ..........

Your mask is slipping again.

aDeener · 12-11-2010 01:45PM

Nodin wrote: »

Your mask is slipping again.

he had a mask?

The Waltzing Consumer · 12-11-2010 01:48PM

snaps wrote: »

Horrific.

horrific if you judge the vast majority of people in that stadium to the couple of guys who chose not to be silent.

hotmail.com · 12-11-2010 01:52PM

I saw a woman on Sky News yesterday saying that without these dead men, we wouldn't have the freedom we enjoy today.

That's complete rubbish. World War I had nothing to do with national freedom - it was a war fought over jealousy and international prestige that got out of control.

Regarding the poppy, it's essentially a British cultural symbol. It's a British thing, not an Irish an thing. You can still hold respect for the Irish men and women that died in the world wars, but you don't need to wear the poppy.

LordSutch · 12-11-2010 01:58PM

Dionysus wrote: »

If they fought in the British Army then they were British soldiers, and it was Britain to whom they swore their oath of fealty. They neither fought for Ireland nor swore loyalty to Ireland. In fact, they swore to fight any Irish who resisted British rule in Ireland. I sincerely fail to see what's admirable in that. Also, for some reason you omitted to mention that the "Irish Poppy Appeal" is just a cosmetic change: it is, in actuality, the "Irish" branch of the Royal British Legion. Given the politics of the RBL, this appeal doesn't really sound very Irish to me.

When you buy a British poppy you are funding former members of the British military who fought for the British state at a time when fellow Irish people were fighting for the freedom of this small country from the same state. Unless you agree with the aims of British imperialism, this doesn't seem like a sensible thing to support financially.

Wow! maybe you wish the Germans-Nazi's had won the two World Wars?

You do realise that we were part of the UK during the Great War.

Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

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