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FF Propaganda on the Six One News.

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  • #62
    RoundyMooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    Enda and Gilmore are the best things that could have happened for FF, they got to stay in power long enough to hammer in the last nails and allow the whitewashing to continue.

    Nice guy Enda is ineffectual and weak, and has failed to either hammer FF to the wall, or project his parties policies effectively. He can't even keep his house in order, as evidenced by his inaction on the Sheehan fiasco. FG are still by far the best option we have, which isn't saying a lot, mainly because Gilmore has yet to decide what he wanted for breakfast last Saturday. The man has splinters in his arse from sitting on the fence.

    RTE are always going to pander to whoever is in government, if those in government have a sufficient lack of morality to either protect their income stream, or threaten to take it away. They are afraid of real world economics pervading Montrose, and they know well that FF in their grasping need for continued power will stop at nothing (including the denial of democracy to tens of thousands of would be by-election voters) to retain that power.


  • #63
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Elmo wrote: »
    I am neither a fan of FF or FG but I hope that they make up the next government together so we can do away with civil war politics once and for all.

    .

    That will never ever ever happen. Its not for reasons of civil war politics - its because there needs to be a strong centreist party in oppisition.


    It would decrease FG/FF share of the poll and increase the only centreist party left which would be labour.

    It happens in other countries like france and italy where there can often be a swing from socialist governments to capitalist ones.. neither far left or far right are good for a country


  • #64
    Gunsfortoys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    If I was told to force someone to be leader of this country, it would be Vincent brown!


  • #65
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    ascanbe wrote: »
    They're not as bad as Sinn Fein and the Greens but they're no Fianna Fail, eh?
    Not that you're a supporter of FF or anything...
    Actually, your post is reminiscent of the kind of 'balance' you see on RTE.

    If you are trying to suggest that the sole political policies of SF or the Greens are what we need for this country, now, in past or in the future - we have nothing to discuss.


  • #66
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    geespot wrote: »
    fianna fail will be back in power within five years peoplewill blame whoever is in power things or going to get worse and having labour in the next goverment is going to speed up the process and the inevitable break down of the coalition and the replacement wit a fianna fail led goverment ideal goverment would be fianna fail finegael coalition but that is probably further down the line

    You forget that Labour go into coalitions with either FF or FG so it might be FF and FGs problem rather than Labour. And the Indo will certainly run an editorial against such a coalition as they did in 1997 when the backed FF. Also they had a full term in the 1980s with FG.

    If FG do well in the next election they will possibly try to have a smaller party in with them rather than either FF or Labour. (Obviously not SF as it may hurt some of the electorate such as snyper here, they might be disappointed with The Greens but they still have 4% of the vote).

    Getting back to the topic of RTÉ and FF. History shows that FF aren't fans of RTÉ, indeed it was FF who reprimanded RTÉ for their negativity a few weeks ago. http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1020/seanad_rte.html

    Also RTÉ's euro correspondents are soft and that has been proved with their new Economics editor former EU editor.
    snyper wrote: »
    If you are trying to suggest that the sole political policies of SF or the Greens are what we need for this country, now, in past or in the future - we have nothing to discuss.

    I wouldn't suggest any politically party has sole rights to what is going on in this country right now. AFAIR some of economist pointed to the Green's policies during the 2007 GE. It is not like Labour, FF of FG have proven their policies sound now or in the past. But the future, what ever will be will be and all that.


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  • #67
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    brianthebard wrote: »
    Without any introduction they began a piece on Latvia, a country which seems to have suffered even worse than Ireland from a bust. However despite the policies pushed on the government by the IMF/EU the government has been re-elected. Does anyone think there is any reason for this piece other than to show the good people of Ireland that FF deserve re-election?

    The race for the Dail is starting now people, its time to join a party and start canvassing if you are genuine about not letting FF back into government again.

    You want RTE not to report the news (in Latvia, nothing what so ever to do with FF) because it might suggest to people to vote for the current government because that is what the Latvians did?

    Seriously?

    I guess when RTE were reporting in their Entertainment section that Cheryl Cole was giving her cheating husband a second chance that was FF propaganda as well was it :rolleyes:


  • #68
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    ascanbe wrote: »
    Don't worry, he wasn't actually, really complimenting Enda; read the post again.
    After the faint praise, he's then 'cringing' at Enda's Dail performance; 'ah, he's not a bad fella but he's not fit for the serious stuff like Brian and the boys...'.
    The faint praise gives the illusion of balance; type of tactic you regularly see deployed on RTE, as it happens.

    The national broadcaster as far as i know arent allowed (or supposed to) to take a biased stance.

    Its an ethical question for journalism wheather this is bad or good.

    I dont know.


  • #69
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    snyper wrote: »
    The national broadcaster as far as i know arent allowed (or supposed to) to take a biased stance.

    Its an ethical question for journalism wheather this is bad or good.

    I dont know.

    Yes, this is true for all Broadcasting organisations. They must be balanced. However they are also allowed to be critical, so if they are investigating corruption for example they must give both sides, once the facts are there they can be as bias as they like.

    The question should be not was this FF Propaganda but rather was it balance towards the case of Latvia. The issue of pay cuts gave the IMF view and a view from 2 citizens one who point out how out of kilter they were during the boom and the other living off a small wage as a teacher. It could have been more balanced by talking to the opposition in Latvia and other organisations rather the PM and Educational ministers where softly interviewed with little or no opposing views.


  • #70
    edanto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭edanto


    (directed at the people above who said that they might not vote)

    Some of the blame for the mess we are in comes from people like you that are too lazy to vote.

    Or too lazy to research their vote, and they just vote for the nice fella that they know, or someone who did something for them locally. Anyways, that's all been said here before.

    It's very easy to say 'they're all the same', when it's patently obvious that they are not.

    Policy-wise, I don't think there are major differences between FF and FG, but I want to see a big change in this country and I'm going to do all I can to get a Labour majority after the next election.

    If you want to see the same change, then get involved. Go and talk to twenty of your mates - get political. Standing on the sidelines shouting only facilitates the ba$tards in ruining our country.

    Corrupt and lazy politicians are the root cause of our problems, and they were facilitated by lazy voters. The only solution is complete transparency in government and more participation by people like your good selves.


  • #71
    cleremy jarkson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭cleremy jarkson


    Fine Gael and Labour should have did everything in their power to try to form a national government a few weeks back. Because they completely dismissed the idea at such a critical time in our history, they've put me off wanting to ever vote for them.

    As far as I'm concerned, they're out for themselves and not for the national interest, and are similar to Fianna Fail in that regard.

    In the next election I might be voting for those scumbags fianna fail because all the other parties mention stimulus packages...I don't want to see any stimulus packages as the economy is already being artificially stimulated to the tune of 20 billion a year! Also, a new government will have to face up to all it's pre-election promises with no money to spend, and if they do try to meet them they will have to borrow more money, which prolongs the inevitable and will bankrupt the country.

    In my opinion, austerity is the option available right now regardless of how we got into this situation and a new government would more than likely impose less austerity measures than the current one.

    I would vote Fine Gael though if they imposed the right cuts and we're very careful to minimise the effects of cuts to frontline healthcare services.
    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68944720&postcount=70


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  • #72
    Augmerson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    Einhard wrote: »
    I think you're being a bit cynical to be honest, and I've never really understood RTE to be particularly FF in outlook. A cursory glance at the Frontline or a listen to Sean O'Rourke should really disabuse anyone of that position. But it seems that people like to see FF fifth columnists all over the place, and reasonable analysis is hardly going to convince them otherwise.

    As to the central point of your post, Latvia and Ireland are in the much the same boat. We're both practically bankrupt. Even by making the comparision, RTE is drawing critical attention to recent FF administrations. And, are you really suggesting that, whilst broadcasting an interesting and relevent comparison with another country, RTE should omit mentioning who holds power in that country? And that the Irish people are so stupid as to let that influence their vote? The former would suggest that you've no problem with media manipulation yourself, the latter would suggest an incredibly low opinion of the Irish electorate (although, given we have elected FF 3 times ina row, that might somehow be justified).

    Did you watched the Late Late when O' Dea and Cowen were on? Blatant bias in favour of FF.


  • #73
    Mister men
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Mister men


    RockinRolla wrote: »
    I hate people who say we have to vote or pick a side...

    I dont vote and will not vote this time either - the main reason being, who the fcuk have I got to vote for....whos ideals and policies can I agree with...nobody. It doesnt matter if FF, FG, LB, SF or Greens are in - nothing changed the last time they were in and nothing will change if they get in again...its the same people with the age old dinosaur mentality - same job, different faces.

    Why do we have to pick a side anyway....why dont we all just not vote...now, I know people say that if you dont vote, youre part of the problem but i have an alternative...if I dont vote, and some moron just like the last, fcuks this place up or rather, cant recover it, then I can sit back and say, well....I DIDNT VOTE THIS MORON IN.

    Youre voting because you think you have a choice - you have no choice, its an illusion. We have only a handful of political parties in this country but you can get a Pizza with 100 different flavours!

    BULL****.
    God man yourself. FF is counting on people of your ilk.


  • #74
    cancercowboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭cancercowboy


    brianthebard wrote: »
    Without any introduction they began a piece on Latvia, a country which seems to have suffered even worse than Ireland from a bust. However despite the policies pushed on the government by the IMF/EU the government has been re-elected. Does anyone think there is any reason for this piece other than to show the good people of Ireland that FF deserve re-election?

    The race for the Dail is starting now people, its time to join a party and start canvassing if you are genuine about not letting FF back into government again.

    This.

    I'll be out there going door to door for Fine Gael. Now is the time to get your party card people


  • #75
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    snyper wrote: »
    That will never ever ever happen. Its not for reasons of civil war politics - its because there needs to be a strong centreist party in oppisition.


    It would decrease FG/FF share of the poll and increase the only centreist party left which would be labour.

    It happens in other countries like france and italy where there can often be a swing from socialist governments to capitalist ones.. neither far left or far right are good for a country

    You basically want less choice. The opposition should be centre-right while the government should be centre-right. That just leads to the apathy that we have seen here in this thread by many non-voters. If the centre-right want to form a government then they should be willing to face the centre-left opposition and the extremists on either side. I agree that balance is required but you can't have balance if you are unwilling to listen to your detractors.


  • #76
    ascanbe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    snyper wrote: »
    If you are trying to suggest that the sole political policies of SF or the Greens are what we need for this country, now, in past or in the future - we have nothing to discuss.

    I wasn't commenting on the policies of any of the parties.
    I was commenting on the topic of politically biased organisations/people and the tactics they employ in order to give the illusion of balance.


  • #77
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Elmo wrote: »
    You basically want less choice. The opposition should be centre-right while the government should be centre-right. That just leads to the apathy that we have seen here in this thread by many non-voters. If the centre-right want to form a government then they should be willing to face the centre-left opposition and the extremists on either side. I agree that balance is required but you can't have balance if you are unwilling to listen to your detractors.

    I understand what you are saying and actually agree with you to a point, other than saying i want less choice.

    FF and FG in my opinion arent centre right.. they are or were too big of parties to lump all their candidates into one exact point, ie i kno that there are centre left and centre right opinions in both parties, as opposed to varying degrees of left in Labour.

    Having 2 centreist parties one in power and one in oppisition doesnt reduce choices, the other parties are there, it just gives people with a centreist political stance an alternative.


  • #78
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    brianthebard wrote: »
    Without any introduction they began a piece on Latvia, a country which seems to have suffered even worse than Ireland from a bust. However despite the policies pushed on the government by the IMF/EU the government has been re-elected. Does anyone think there is any reason for this piece other than to show the good people of Ireland that FF deserve re-election?

    bit of a stretch tbh and verging on tin foil hat stuff.

    RTE are anything but pro FF. maybe they were doing their job: relaying news relevant to ireland?


  • #79
    geespot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 257 ✭✭geespot


    surprisinly i think i remember fine gael saying they would be prepared to go into goverment with sinn fein although i doubt they would make up the numbers interesting to see who the much hyped and all lving labour pick for there candiate in donegal somebody who spent an jail but got out because there was not enough evidence against him see labour pick more people of a celeb nature rather than people who have put in the spade work in the political field


  • #80
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    geespot wrote: »
    surprisinly i think i remember fine gael saying they would be prepared to go into goverment with sinn fein although i doubt they would make up the numbers

    They would as part of a rainbow government with Lab.

    I dont think they will need to however after the next general election. FG/LAB will have a good majority among themselves


  • #81
    brianthebard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    thebigbiffo wrote: »
    bit of a stretch tbh and verging on tin foil hat stuff.

    RTE are anything but pro FF. maybe they were doing their job: relaying news relevant to ireland?

    biffo in FF defence shocker. I have no problem with running a piece on Latvia, but the point of the piece was obviously to say that the government had been re-elected. Everyone who supports FF say RTE are against FF. Most right minded people who don't support FF say RTE are pro FF. I know what I believe.


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  • #82
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    brianthebard wrote: »
    biffo in FF defence shocker. .

    Why do you feel the need to make some sort of personal dig at anyone that opposes your opinion?


  • #83
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    brianthebard wrote: »
    biffo in FF defence shocker. I have no problem with running a piece on Latvia, but the point of the piece was obviously to say that the government had been re-elected. Everyone who supports FF say RTE are against FF. Most right minded people who don't support FF say RTE are pro FF. I know what I believe.

    so RTE aren't allowed report on a european country's election results now without you believing it's a FF conspiracy. jesus:rolleyes:


  • #84
    Koloman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Koloman


    It's on the 9 news now!


  • #85
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    they're at it again those pesky RTE propogandists!


  • #86
    brianthebard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    snyper wrote: »
    Why do you feel the need to make some sort of personal dig at anyone that opposes your opinion?

    Its hardly a dig biffo has made it abundantly clear that he supports FF and regularly turns up in threads like this. I could have predicted it from the start.


  • #87
    ascanbe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    thebigbiffo wrote: »
    so RTE aren't allowed report on a european country's election results now without you believing it's a FF conspiracy. jesus:rolleyes:

    True enough.
    After all, the country was on tenterhooks regarding the outcome of elections in Latvia.
    It's not like RTE were trying to make baseless comparisons between the situation in Latvia and Ireland and suggesting that if we just blindly follow the course our government has set us on, we'll be just fine like the good folk in Latvia.
    I don't know how anyone could come to that conclusion.


  • #88
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    brianthebard wrote: »
    Its hardly a dig biffo has made it abundantly clear that he supports FF and regularly turns up in threads like this. I could have predicted it from the start.

    ..and if he had a "i love charlie" logo in his sig good for him.


    Take his post apart piece by piece if you wish...and inturn the other poster can return the compliment - it just bothers me that someone if they dont show absolute and unconditional hate for the government they are automatically either and idiot or uneducated.

    Id like to thimk im neither, id rather debate whats said rather that the perceived backround of the poster


  • #89
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    brianthebard wrote: »
    Its hardly a dig biffo has made it abundantly clear that he supports FF and regularly turns up in threads like this. I could have predicted it from the start.

    i've defended FF in the context of the s'hit state of the economy and who's best positioned to fix it. i'm not afraid to voice an opinion even if it's not popular which, along with my username, makes some narrow minded people believe i'm a rampant brian cowen fan. i've stated i'm voting independent in the next election cos i dont support any party at the moment - guess you didnt turn up in that thread yourself.

    none of it matters - you're still ott on the paranoia.


  • #90
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    ascanbe wrote: »
    True enough.
    After all, the country was on tenterhooks regarding the outcome of elections in Latvia.
    It's not like RTE were trying to make baseless comparisons between the situation in Latvia and Ireland and suggesting that if we just blindly follow the course our government has set us on, we'll be just fine like the good folk in Latvia.
    I don't know how anyone could come to that conclusion.

    ahhh now come on. you're trying to imply that RTE dont cover european elections now? or that their situation is not very similar to ours? the fact that the reporter said, and i quote 'astonishingly, the government were voted back in...etc'...not really the wording of someone who;s trying to get the public used to the idea that voting back in a widely percieved 'incompetant' government is the normal or right thing to do.

    it was newsworthy ffs, they borrowed 7.5 billion from the IMF, they've taken 50% wage cuts, they're on the recovery and they've just had an election. of course it's newsworthy.

    jesus you people and your 'FF are hiding under my bed'...the new bogeyman is BC wha...he's just everywhere:rolleyes:


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  • #91
    brianthebard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    snyper wrote: »
    ..and if he had a "i love charlie" logo in his sig good for him.


    Take his post apart piece by piece if you wish...and inturn the other poster can return the compliment - it just bothers me that someone if they dont show absolute and unconditional hate for the government they are automatically either and idiot or uneducated.

    Id like to thimk im neither, id rather debate whats said rather that the perceived backround of the poster

    Firstly biffo's the one making tin foil hat comments.

    Secondly your description of unconditional hate is silly I've never said that. Nor have I said anyone who supports the government is an idiot or uneducated. If you really want to debate issues then you'll have to do more than make up pretend arguments from the other side.


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