FF Propaganda on the Six One News.

brianthebard

Without any introduction they began a piece on Latvia, a country which seems to have suffered even worse than Ireland from a bust. However despite the policies pushed on the government by the IMF/EU the government has been re-elected. Does anyone think there is any reason for this piece other than to show the good people of Ireland that FF deserve re-election?

The race for the Dail is starting now people, its time to join a party and start canvassing if you are genuine about not letting FF back into government again.

ejmaztec

The last time an FF politician arrived on my doorstep, he only got verbal abuse. Next time he shows up, he'll never make it down the drive.

galwayrush

ejmaztec wrote: »

The last time an FF politician arrived on my doorstep, he only got verbal abuse. Next time he shows up, he'll never make it down the drive.

I'll have a notice warning them not to bother me, hopefully that will save me from a court appearance for G.B.H.

Mr Trade In

National TV station, what else are they gonna do, listening to RTÉ 1 on the radio coming home tonight and they were talking about a Labour guy who will be running in the Donegal South West race,ever second word was FF and Bertie,shows who is running the station and the Fianna Failers are running scared.

alex73

FF or FG/LB... does it really make any difference?

Both will do the same thing. Better the devil you know

Biggins

Its RTE, what can ya expect!

skelliser

not just rte, the irish times are getting in on it as well
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1111/1224283092656.html


Also there economics guy with the receding hair line basically blamed "remarks by Enda Kenny over the weekend" for the rise in our bond yields on monday!!
unbelievable.

Even tonight tho the bond crisis was the third segment!! a windy day here in galway but ffs!! a national crisis and a few gusts of wind in galway trump that!!

brianthebard

alex73 wrote: »

FF or FG/LB... does it really make any difference?

Both will do the same thing. Better the devil you know

Yes it does make a difference, that's silly.

My wife dog is trained to attack FF candidates

proon4

Nothing new in RTE licking up to their FF masters...Joe "ordainiry man" Duffy, has been doing it for years. But lately he is getting really desperate.He is blatenly censoring anyone who speaks against FF on his Liveline show on radio 1. Then again if you were on E450,000 a year and almost 4 months holidays you might be like that too.. But then again would ya ?

galwayrush

alex73 wrote: »

FF or FG/LB... does it really make any difference?

Both will do the same thing. Better the devil you know

Please don't vote for the devil you know, why would you want to reward them for all the damage they have done?:eek:

PeterIanStaker

Time to invest in a "No Junk Mail" sign for the front door methinks.

Einhard

brianthebard wrote: »

Without any introduction they began a piece on Latvia, a country which seems to have suffered even worse than Ireland from a bust. However despite the policies pushed on the government by the IMF/EU the government has been re-elected. Does anyone think there is any reason for this piece other than to show the good people of Ireland that FF deserve re-election?

The race for the Dail is starting now people, its time to join a party and start canvassing if you are genuine about not letting FF back into government again.

I think you're being a bit cynical to be honest, and I've never really understood RTE to be particularly FF in outlook. A cursory glance at the Frontline or a listen to Sean O'Rourke should really disabuse anyone of that position. But it seems that people like to see FF fifth columnists all over the place, and reasonable analysis is hardly going to convince them otherwise.

As to the central point of your post, Latvia and Ireland are in the much the same boat. We're both practically bankrupt. Even by making the comparision, RTE is drawing critical attention to recent FF administrations. And, are you really suggesting that, whilst broadcasting an interesting and relevent comparison with another country, RTE should omit mentioning who holds power in that country? And that the Irish people are so stupid as to let that influence their vote? The former would suggest that you've no problem with media manipulation yourself, the latter would suggest an incredibly low opinion of the Irish electorate (although, given we have elected FF 3 times ina row, that might somehow be justified).

Elmo

brianthebard wrote: »

Without any introduction they began a piece on Latvia, a country which seems to have suffered even worse than Ireland from a bust. However despite the policies pushed on the government by the IMF/EU the government has been re-elected. Does anyone think there is any reason for this piece other than to show the good people of Ireland that FF deserve re-election?

The race for the Dail is starting now people, its time to join a party and start canvassing if you are genuine about not letting FF back into government again.

I thought it was more surprise at how the government got re-elected in Latvia.

Einhard

rarnes1 wrote: »

My wife dog is trained to attack FF candidates

Make sure you get him his shots after he bites them. Never know what the poor mutt might pick up!!

orourkeda

The only real reason that FF are in Government is because:

IRISH PEOPLE ARE MORONS.

No great mystery.

Elmo

orourkeda wrote: »

The only real reason that FF are in Government is because:

IRISH PEOPLE ARE MORONS.

No great mystery.

Sure you could say that about any electorate. :rolleyes:

RockinRolla

I hate people who say we have to vote or pick a side...

I dont vote and will not vote this time either - the main reason being, who the fcuk have I got to vote for....whos ideals and policies can I agree with...nobody. It doesnt matter if FF, FG, LB, SF or Greens are in - nothing changed the last time they were in and nothing will change if they get in again...its the same people with the age old dinosaur mentality - same job, different faces.

Why do we have to pick a side anyway....why dont we all just not vote...now, I know people say that if you dont vote, youre part of the problem but i have an alternative...if I dont vote, and some moron just like the last, fcuks this place up or rather, cant recover it, then I can sit back and say, well....I DIDNT VOTE THIS MORON IN.

Youre voting because you think you have a choice - you have no choice, its an illusion. We have only a handful of political parties in this country but you can get a Pizza with 100 different flavours!

BULL****.

spider guardian

using the word propaganda is a bit over the top, it's not like they had the latvian prime minister telling us to vote fianna fail. there's plenty of bad news to cancel out any positive fianna fail reports anyways!

brianthebard

Einhard wrote: »

I think you're being a bit cynical to be honest, and I've never really understood RTE to be particularly FF in outlook. A cursory glance at the Frontline or a listen to Sean O'Rourke should really disabuse anyone of that position. But it seems that people like to see FF fifth columnists all over the place, and reasonable analysis is hardly going to convince them otherwise.

As to the central point of your post, Latvia and Ireland are in the much the same boat. We're both practically bankrupt. Even by making the comparision, RTE is drawing critical attention to recent FF administrations. And, are you really suggesting that, whilst broadcasting an interesting and relevent comparison with another country, RTE should omit mentioning who holds power in that country? And that the Irish people are so stupid as to let that influence their vote? The former would suggest that you've no problem with media manipulation yourself, the latter would suggest an incredibly low opinion of the Irish electorate (although, given we have elected FF 3 times ina row, that might somehow be justified).

Em, don't know how you managed to twist that nonsense out of my post but whether you agree with media manipulation or not it happens, that has nothing to do with me. RTE could not avoid drawing critical attention to FF administration, its there in black and white and to pretend otherwise would be a step too far. But to spend about 5 minutes or more talking about the green shots of recovery being seen in Latvia as a direct result of government/IMF&EU austerity measures provides a clear message for anyone willing to apply the slightest critical thinking.

Elmo wrote: »

I thought it was more surprise at how the government got re-elected in Latvia.

I might have missed that part what with being indignant and all, can you recap?

Einhard

RockinRolla wrote: »

BULL****.

My sentiments exactly. You're free not to vote if that's your wish, but please don't try and dress ignorance, laziness and apathy, as some noble repudiation of the system. You're not making a statement by not voting, you're just making it less certain that change can ever be realised.

RoundyMooney

I apologise in advance for the sh1teness of the editing in this clip (not my work), but the sentiment is sound;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY19S4_zFXU

meglome

alex73 wrote: »

FF or FG/LB... does it really make any difference?

Both will do the same thing. Better the devil you know

I'm hoping after the current devil i still have a shirt on my back. I'm hopeful that the new devil can't be half as inept.

Einhard

brianthebard wrote: »

Em, don't know how you managed to twist that nonsense out of my post but whether you agree with media manipulation or not it happens, that has nothing to do with me. RTE could not avoid drawing critical attention to FF administration, its there in black and white and to pretend otherwise would be a step too far. But to spend about 5 minutes or more talking about the green shots of recovery being seen in Latvia as a direct result of government/IMF&EU austerity measures provides a clear message for anyone willing to apply the slightest critical thinking.

Or anyone who likes to see pantoms where there are really none to be seen. Everyday it seems, there's a post in AH or politics about how RTE are in hock with FF, doing everything in their power to get them re-elected. And I have to ask, when I see those posts, do these people actually tune into RTE? Do they watch the Frontline, the news, even Primetime? And when I see someone complain that a relevent, interesting, and factual report on the situation in Latvia is some form of FF propaganda, then my exasperation just grows. I'm sorry you think my reaction is nonsense, but then I'd say the exact same thing (and include paranoud) of the recent slew of posts which see FF Quislings around every media corner.

Elmo

RockinRolla wrote: »

I hate people who say we have to vote or pick a side...

I dont vote and will not vote this time either - the main reason being, who the fcuk have I got to vote for....whos ideals and policies can I agree with...nobody. It doesnt matter if FF, FG, LB, SF or Greens are in - nothing changed the last time they were in and nothing will change if they get in again...its the same people with the age old dinosaur mentality - same job, different faces.

Why do we have to pick a side anyway....why dont we all just not vote...now, I know people say that if you dont vote, youre part of the problem but i have an alternative...if I dont vote, and some moron just like the last, fcuks this place up or rather, cant recover it, then I can sit back and say, well....I DIDNT VOTE THIS MORON IN.

Youre voting because you think you have a choice - you have no choice, its an illusion. We have only a handful of political parties in this country but you can get a Pizza with 100 different flavours!

BULL****.

Imagine you were in a country like the states where their are only 2 choices. And we are such a small country with nearly 10 or more :eek:

As for Pizza the Italians might disagree with your 100 different flavours. But then they did vote in Silvio Berlusconi.

RockinRolla

Einhard wrote: »

My sentiments exactly. You're free not to vote if that's your wish, but please don't try and dress ignorance, laziness and apathy, as some noble repudiation of the system. You're not making a statement by not voting, you're just making it less certain that change can ever be realised.

Wrong.

If a party is formed with ideals and goals I am proud to support, then i shall be first in line...

We have no other options...and with an attitude like yours, people will vote for another party (take your pick) and will still be complaining about how **** the country is in two years...

We all shouldnt vote...make it void. Choosing another party is just plastering over the problems...for real change, we need something DIFFERENT in every way, shape and form.

amacachi

I won't be voting for Fianna Fail, chance I won't be voting at all.

AckwelFoley

ejmaztec wrote: »

The last time an FF politician arrived on my doorstep, he only got verbal abuse. Next time he shows up, he'll never make it down the drive.

Dont do that ..seriously.

They (as in any politican) expect it and simply dont take any notice of it.

If a Sinn Fein Head came to my door i would like to give them in a head in the face, but that would only be lowering myself to their level. An easier way to deflate them is ask them some questions about economic policy.

If you dont like FF, you will make a better impact by doing the same.. trust me on this one

Einhard

RockinRolla wrote: »

Wrong.

If a party is formed with ideals and goals I am proud to support, then i shall be first in line...

We have no other options...and with an attitude like yours, people will vote for another party (take your pick) and will still be complaining about how **** the country is in two years...

We all shouldnt vote...make it void. Choosing another party is just plastering over the problems...for real change, we need something DIFFERENT in every way, shape and form.

No, it's just laziness, plain and simple. There's no other word to describe lumping FG in with SF. Their policies on cutting expenditure alone are completely different.

Also, if you feel so strongly about it, why not form your own party? I know of one boards poster who has done just that. But you'd just rather bang on about our appaling state of affairs without doing ANYTHING to address them. That's not noble or sticking it to the system, that's just apathy.

Sharkey 10

Op as a matter of interest which party will you be canvasing for ?
Personally , i will probably spoil my vote.

The opposition parties are awful. It new polititions we need and a total reform of our democracy .
If enda kenny is our next taoiseach things will be as bad

AckwelFoley

RockinRolla wrote: »

, we need something DIFFERENT in every way, shape and form.

Like what?

Im all ears.

Einhard

snyper wrote: »

Dont do that ..seriously.

They (as in any politican) expect it and simply dont take any notice of it.

If a Sinn Fein Head came to my door i would like to give them in a head in the face, but that would only be lowering myself to their level. An easier way to deflate them is ask them some questions about economic policy.

If you dont like FF, you will make a better impact by doing the same.. trust me on this one

I wish I could thank this post twice. I can't wait til the election so I can have a somewhat "charged" discussion with candidates from certain parties who come weasling up looking for my vote. Fun times!!

Elmo

snyper wrote: »

If a Sinn Fein Head came to my door i would like to give them in a head in the face, but that would only be lowering myself to their level. An easier way to deflate them is ask them some questions about economic policy.

But surely if you asked a sensible economic question to any politician you would just end up having to explain it to them thus lowering yourself to their level.

RockinRolla

Einhard wrote: »

No, it's just laziness, plain and simple. There's no other word to describe lumping FG in with SF. Their policies on cutting expenditure alone are completely different.

Also, if you feel so strongly about it, why not form your own party? I know of one boards poster who has done just that. But you'd just rather bang on about our appaling state of affairs without doing ANYTHING to address them. That's not noble or sticking it to the system, that's just apathy.

Where is this said boards member...I would like to take a look at his opinions. Several of my colleagues have also mentioned this. We need new political parties.

AckwelFoley

RockinRolla wrote: »

Where is this said boards member...I would like to take a look at his opinions. Several of my colleagues have also mentioned this. We need new political parties.

Amhrain nua

Einhard

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

If enda kenny is our next taoiseach things will be as bad

NO THEY WON'T!!!!!

God, I hate that reasoning. Ff have absolutely bankrupted this nation over the past 10 years, have caved in repeatedly to every vested interest, and essentially repudiated all notion of fiscal prudence in order to gain power in 2002 and 2007. And yet, FG are somehow going to be worse on the sole basis that Enda Kenny has all the charisma of a plank?! Bullcrap!! FG consistently opposed the idiotic benchmarking policy, knowing well it would cost them votes. They're come up with interesting proposals on health and public reform. I'm a supporter of no party or ideology, but I wish people would stop claiming that FG or Labour would somehow be worse than FF, that they're all the same. They're not! Or at least, there's no basis to claim so. It's just lazy bloody analysis to think so.

AckwelFoley

Elmo wrote: »

But surely if you asked a sensible economic question to any politician you would just end up having to explain it to them thus lowering yourself to their level.

No, you wont. Politicians are not stupid. Thinking they are, is naive.

They might make some stupid decisions, but as a collective entity, you cant describe them as stupid

Copper23

brianthebard wrote: »

Without any introduction they began a piece on Latvia, a country which seems to have suffered even worse than Ireland from a bust. However despite the policies pushed on the government by the IMF/EU the government has been re-elected. Does anyone think there is any reason for this piece other than to show the good people of Ireland that FF deserve re-election?

The race for the Dail is starting now people, its time to join a party and start canvassing if you are genuine about not letting FF back into government again.

Not really? Maybe it was to make people aware not to be complacent that it can happen, or maybe you are correct... or maybe both views are correct and it was an impartial piece to draw similarities between both situations so people can make up their own mind.

Am I the only one who feels FF will be back in power despite all the whinging here?

galwayrush

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

Op as a matter of interest which party will you be canvasing for ?
Personally , i will probably spoil my vote.

The opposition parties are awful. It new polititions we need and a total reform of our democracy .
If enda kenny is our next taoiseach things will be as bad

Things are already bad, and will be for a long time. It won't be because Enda Kenny is Taoiseach:rolleyes:

Einhard

Copper23 wrote: »

Am I the only one who feels FF will be back in power despite all the whinging here?

God, I hope you're the only one. If FF get back in I'm going to launch a campaign for Ireland to become a fully fledged province of Germany.

AckwelFoley

Einhard wrote: »

NO THEY WON'T!!!!!

. And yet, FG are somehow going to be worse on the sole basis that Enda Kenny has all the charisma of a plank?! .

My opinion on enda is, he actually has charsisma, and he impressed during the leadership challenge, however - big PR mistake was when he was accused of not being vocal and passionate and within a few days he was literally screaming in the Dail - i actually cringed.

But FG imo are a decent party.. ie they're not sinn feinn or the Greens

Donkey Oaty

Anyone remember US comedian George Burns?

“Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving taxi cabs and cutting hair."

AckwelFoley

Einhard wrote: »

God, I hope you're the only one. If FF get back in I'm going to launch a campaign for Ireland to become a fully fledged province of Germany.

FF wont get back int power.

However - they will get between 6 -8% more in the national election than polls leading up to the election show.

They will be back after the following term.

Bookmark this post.

I'll put my money (the little i have) where my mouth is

Sharkey 10

Einhard wrote: »

NO THEY WON'T!!!!!

God, I hate that reasoning. Ff have absolutely bankrupted this nation over the past 10 years, have caved in repeatedly to every vested interest, and essentially repudiated all notion of fiscal prudence in order to gain power in 2002 and 2007. And yet, FG are somehow going to be worse on the sole basis that Enda Kenny has all the charisma of a plank?! Bullcrap!! FG consistently opposed the idiotic benchmarking policy, knowing well it would cost them votes. They're come up with interesting proposals on health and public reform. I'm a supporter of no party or ideology, but I wish people would stop claiming that FG or Labour would somehow be worse than FF, that they're all the same. They're not! Or at least, there's no basis to claim so. It's just lazy bloody analysis to think so.

The fine gael party love enda

One things certain if fine gael are in power after the next GE , enda will not be leader

K-9

Jaysus! I thought it was actually a nice piece of good news. The IMF coming in doesn't mean the end of the world as some think. They increased the minimum wage there and have a scheme to help people in arrears.
Suppose we should just let RTE become like Boards instead and we'll all cut our wrists.

Copper23

Einhard wrote: »

God, I hope you're the only one. If FF get back in I'm going to launch a campaign for Ireland to become a fully fledged province of Germany.

I know but seriously... it wasn't as bad last time but at the last election everyone was convinced they wouldn't get in.
I keep going back to the same problem. None of the other individual parties appear large enough or capable enough to do any better and get us out of this. And they don't act like collectively they would be cohesive enough to all agree on and formulate plans to deal with our country.

Its a simple scenario I keep putting forward but rarely hear an arguement showing me something that proves it is incorrect. Its very worrying. I genuinely feel if FF are not in power it will be very very close and there is a solid chance that they will when push comes to shove and the actual votes of those who chose to go out are counted.


I'll be honest, I'm no fan of any of my FF candidates but I am equally not overly impressed with my alternatives.

brianthebard

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

Op as a matter of interest which party will you be canvasing for ?
Personally , i will probably spoil my vote.

The opposition parties are awful. It new polititions we need and a total reform of our democracy .
If enda kenny is our next taoiseach things will be as bad

I haven't decided yet but I will have to pull the finger out soon I guess. Things will not be as bad if Kenny is taoiseach. That's unthinking foolishness.

Liam Byrne

The report showed that the EU/IMF gave Latvia €7.5 billion

The report could / should have mentioned what (if anything) the Latvian government did in relation to its corrupt and rogue banks (assuming they had any).

The report also said that they cut EVERYTHING public service related by 50%, which I assume included the government's wages, expenses and pensions.

Maybe the above three points explain why their people trusted their government to do the right thing.

So no, citing Latvia as an example of why we should vote a government back in does not equate to promoting FF, because the above 3 issues are what should ensure that FF are buried six feet under.

As for the canvassers, I've come up with a new idea. If an FF canvasser arrives at my doorstep I'm going to tell them "not interested" and then follow them all the way up the road, calling into every house once they leave and dropping in a printout detailing every f**k up and corrupt and sickening decision this government has made.

brianthebard

K-9 wrote: »

Jaysus! I thought it was actually a nice piece of good news. The IMF coming in doesn't mean the end of the world as some think. They increased the minimum wage there and have a scheme to help people in arrears.
Suppose we should just let RTE become like Boards instead and we'll all cut our wrists.

The way the article/section was written was to put maximum emphasis on the fact that the government was re-elected despite the decisions, clearly suggesting Irish people should forgive and forget with FF.

Sharkey 10

snyper wrote: »

My opinion on enda is, he actually has charsisma, and he impressed during the leadership challenge, however - big PR mistake was when he was accused of not being vocal and passionate and within a few days he was literally screaming in the Dail - i actually cringed.

But FG imo are a decent party.. ie they're not sinn feinn or the Greens

Where do you sense that enda has charisma ?
Id love go on a session with cowen but definatly not enda.
Im not defending cowens policies or his government but its obvious he has a great personality.

Sharkey 10

brianthebard wrote: »

I haven't decided yet but I will have to pull the finger out soon I guess. Things will not be as bad if Kenny is taoiseach. That's unthinking foolishness.

What makes you think they will be better? The fact that they cant get much worse?