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Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

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  • #302
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,320 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Personally I see it as being for all those killed in war. And in that sense it is an anti-war symbol.

    "lest we forget..." says to me "lets not do this sh*t again ever".

    There was woman on the radio the other day saying similar.. seemingly oblivious to the fact that war is being propagated by the romanticized notion of it all. The fact that it's so intertwined with the soldiers serving today does not say to me that the poppy is a sign of the 'futility of war'.. not when there are 2 highly questionable wars being fought today.


  • #303
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    My grandad served with the british army in the middle east and won honours. He always said it was mad to wear a poppy in Ireland (even though he was involved with the British Legion).

    Personally I have spoke to older men who feel embarassed they had to join the British Army but had no other choice financially ...

    Should we forget the British Army escorted food out of the country when potato crops failed and so starved millions of Irish to death, condemned others to death on the famine boats and others to be seperated forever from their loved ones?

    www.irishholocaust.org

    There's no harm in the British and past and present Brisitsh armed forces wearing their rememberance poppies but given the role of army personnel in creating the famine I tend to give it a miss


  • #304
    Ald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Ald


    Well said Sligopark.

    It's not about denying our connections with the British and the British army but it's about remembrance in a balanced and meaningful way and not to forget the others that lost their lives here, on this island, also at war but with Britain on many occasions.

    Remembering just one side does no justice to Ireland maturing as a nation. That means not wearing a red poppy! Wear the white if you must but not the red.

    We must select a symbol, if you feel you need to wear a symbol(I don't), that represents all those that died in war and seeks peace.

    Ar dheis Dé go raibh a n-anamnacha


  • #305
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    The truth seems to bother you no end.



    Left India and Burma in 1948, Aden in 1967, Kenya 1963. Rhodesia/Zimbabwe 1965, Egypt only in 1952.

    Burma appears to ne your new pet love. I'll be sure to let them know you are thinking of them. Besides, should we not be calling it Myanmar anyway?

    It would be interesting to ask the Burmese actually what regime they were happiest under, the imperialist one that wanted to take over the whole of India, the imperialist regime that already that at the time ruled India, the imperialist regime that wanted to rule the whole of Asia, or the military dictatorship that rules them now.


  • #306
    efb
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Thats the white poppy

    It doesnt specify a colour in the title! So we can chose the colour!


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  • #307
    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    efb wrote: »
    It doesnt specify a colour in the title! So we can chose the colour!

    It's stated in the first post ;)


  • #308
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Did I mention the first post? Its not mentioned in the TITLE!


  • #309
    Nodin
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Burma appears to ne your new pet love. .

    I've mentioned it the same number of times as India, kenya and Aden, as it falls within the relevant time period.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It would be interesting to ask the Burmese actually what regime they were happiest under, the imperialist one that wanted to take over the whole of India, the imperialist regime that already that at the time ruled India, the imperialist regime that wanted to rule the whole of Asia, or the military dictatorship that rules them now.

    Yes, the old 'look at them now' line...

    Considering the continous rebellions riots, protests and hunger strikes against the British occupation and its attendant ''divide and conquer', racism and sectarianism, I doubt they'd want the British back.


  • #310
    eire1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭eire1990


    Id say half the people who wear the poppy on tv dont even know why they are wearing it im waiting for the day when an irish person wears the easter lilly on british tv see what they say then


  • #311
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Burma appears to ne your new pet love. I'll be sure to let them know you are thinking of them. Besides, should we not be calling it Myanmar anyway?

    It would be interesting to ask the Burmese actually what regime they were happiest under, the imperialist one that wanted to take over the whole of India, the imperialist regime that already that at the time ruled India, the imperialist regime that wanted to rule the whole of Asia, or the military dictatorship that rules them now.

    ha ha all those descriptions describe the british empire in different parts of the world


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  • #312
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Im fine with the GFA. My country still exists. Our way of life is safe. Anyway, back on topic.

    lol no it doesnt the colonial way of life is dead or dying very little remains


  • #313
    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1111/armistice.html

    For those that still think the Poppy goes to help the Irish men and women who served in the British Army. There's 43 Irish men and women who died serving them and they didn't even have the decency to give them a headstone!


  • #314
    Dionysus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    There's a thoughtful and perceptive article about the poppy commemorations written by Enda O Doherty in this morning's Irish Times:

    Remembering war dead helps prepare ground for next massacre


  • #315
    jonnny68
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    Absolutely but it will be a black poppy;)

    http://www.causes.com/causes/544538


  • #316
    KeithAFC
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    lol no it doesnt the colonial way of life is dead or dying very little remains
    :rolleyes: Northern Ireland.

    Anyway, do the majority in the republic support the poppy?


  • #317
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    :rolleyes: Northern Ireland.

    Anyway, do the majority in the republic support the poppy?
    No.


  • #318
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1111/armistice.html

    For those that still think the Poppy goes to help the Irish men and women who served in the British Army. There's 43 Irish men and women who died serving them and they didn't even have the decency to give them a headstone!

    You should get a Job at the Daily Mail.


  • #319
    Wolfe Tone
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    You should get a Job at the Daily Mail.
    What a grave personal insult! :D


  • #320
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    If someone wants to wear a pair of false spectacles with a funny nose attached, a suit with a squirting rose, a polka dot pin stripe with purple trilby, or a red flower on their lapel then I really couldn't give a crap. What the hell has it to do with me, or anyone else for that matter. I hate the way some people believe they have a right to dictate what others should be allowed to wear. I've never worn a poppy, have never been at all inclined to do so, but sometimes I feel like buying and wearing one as a two fingered salute to those (usually yobs) who believe they are entitled to interfere in another's fashion perogative.


  • #321
    citytillidie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,897 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    I seen a quarter here in Canada with a poppy design in the middle of it

    ******



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  • #322
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    If you want to wear one that's fine by me. As long as we can all join together and laugh at the Celtic fans that went to all the trouble of making this banner and spelt "bloodstained" wrong.
    http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01159/footy-main_1159493a.jpg


  • #323
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    If you want to wear one that's fine by me. As long as we can all join together and laugh at the Celtic fans that went to all the trouble of making this banner and spelt "bloodstained" wrong.
    http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01159/footy-main_1159493a.jpg
    No surprise.


  • #324
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    If you want to wear one that's fine by me. As long as we can all join together and laugh at the Celtic fans that went to all the trouble of making this banner and spelt "bloodstained" wrong.
    http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01159/footy-main_1159493a.jpg
    I laugh at the spelling mistake but agree with the sentiment.


  • #325
    K-9
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    No.

    When was this poll carried out?
    I don't know if the majority support it, but i'd say they've no objection to it.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #326
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Anyway, do the majority in the republic support the poppy?.
    Id say the majority in the Republic couldnt care less either way


  • #327
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    K-9 wrote: »
    When was this poll carried out?
    I don't know if the majority support it, but i'd say they've no objection to it.
    f the majority supported it and its sentiments would more not be wearing them?


  • #328
    K-9
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    f the majority supported it and its sentiments would more not be wearing them?

    So no poll results from newspapers etc.?
    Suppose it depends what you mean by support! If the question was do the majority oppose it? I don't think it would be a majority either.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #329
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    K-9 wrote: »
    So no poll results from newspapers etc.?
    Suppose it depends what you mean by support! If the question was do the majority oppose it? I don't think it would be a majority either.
    I havent read any papers recently... well you have the poll here to go on, although polls on here tend to be mega inacurate


  • #330
    K-9
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I havent read any papers recently... well you have the poll here to go on, although polls on here tend to be mega inacurate

    True, or the politics board.
    I wouldn't wear one but I've no problem with somebody wearing one. How they choose to remember family relatives is there business. The men of WW1 and 2 were forgotten for long enough without belitling their name even more over what symbol to use to remember them.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #331
    ColeTrain
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    Paparazzo wrote: »
    If you want to wear one that's fine by me. As long as we can all join together and laugh at the Celtic fans that went to all the trouble of making this banner and spelt "bloodstained" wrong.
    http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01159/footy-main_1159493a.jpg

    Not that funny really.


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