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Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Not to go off topic again but there's seven Irish personnel involved with the ISAF and they all work in an office.

    Working on counter IED techniques I believe, to support the guys in the field.

    Regardless, it more than demonstrates that the Irish government supports the role of ISAF, of which Britain and the US are fellow members. http://www.isaf.nato.int/troop-numbers-and-contributions/ireland/index.php


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    How many have actually seen people wear poppies this year? I havent seen any yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Working on counter IED techniques I believe, to support the guys in the field.

    Regardless, it more than demonstrates that the Irish government supports the role of ISAF, of which Britain and the US are fellow members. http://www.isaf.nato.int/troop-numbers-and-contributions/ireland/index.php
    Don't tell Gerry Adams.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Don't tell Gerry Adams.
    Keith, do you like the peace process at all? I ask because you always try to get the little digs in, the PIRA were categorically defeated, Adams this, Adams that, always looking to get a rise out of republicans and nationalists here, spouting rubbish about "No surrender" advocating that criminals should be executed after arrest, and who will ever forget that lovely incident where you posted a loyalist mural "Still under siege" in the thread about the Brits acknowledging Bloody Sunday. That was particularly classy.

    Its people like you who are the biggest threat to the GFA. Republicans, specifically SF have bent over backwards to make this work. SF have put themselves so far out on a branch its unreal. Its little snide comments like yours which make people question that. People like you are playing into the dissidents hands.

    What exactly do you want Keith? The good old days back? If not you should show some sort of cop on and not try to get petty little digs in to get peoples backs up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Keith, do you like the peace process at all? I ask because you always try to get the little digs in, the PIRA were categorically defeated, Adams this, Adams that, always looking to get a rise out of republicans and nationalists here, spouting rubbish about "No surrender" advocating that criminals should be executed after arrest, and who will ever forget that lovely incident where you posted a loyalist mural "Still under siege" in the thread about the Brits acknowledging Bloody Sunday. That was particularly classy.

    Its people like you who are the biggest threat to the GFA. Republicans, specifically SF have bent over backwards to make this work. SF have put themselves so far out on a branch its unreal. Its little snide comments like yours which make people question that. People like you are playing into the dissidents hands.

    What exactly do you want Keith? The good old days back? If not you should show some sort of cop on and not try to get petty little digs in to get peoples backs up.

    Hi Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Hi Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle :D
    Elaborate please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Jenroche


    Plenty of Irishmen fought and died in the Great War (WW1), one of which was my great-grandfather who went over the top and died on the first day of the Somme. For he and those like him, I will wear a poppy. RIP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Elaborate please.

    he cant I pointed out several double standards of his regarding the british army and he didnt counter one of them its called cognitive disonance its the same force that convinces some that the orange order are not sectarian.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Keith, do you like the peace process at all? I ask because you always try to get the little digs in, the PIRA were categorically defeated, Adams this, Adams that, always looking to get a rise out of republicans and nationalists here, spouting rubbish about "No surrender" advocating that criminals should be executed after arrest, and who will ever forget that lovely incident where you posted a loyalist mural "Still under siege" in the thread about the Brits acknowledging Bloody Sunday. That was particularly classy.

    Its people like you who are the biggest threat to the GFA. Republicans, specifically SF have bent over backwards to make this work. SF have put themselves so far out on a branch its unreal. Its little snide comments like yours which make people question that. People like you are playing into the dissidents hands.

    What exactly do you want Keith? The good old days back? If not you should show some sort of cop on and not try to get petty little digs in to get peoples backs up.
    Im fine with the GFA. My country still exists. Our way of life is safe. Anyway, back on topic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Im fine with the GFA. My country still exists. Our way of life is safe. Anyway, back on topic.
    Typical bullsh!t response from you Keith.


    Loyalists like yourself and Spence have always lived in fear of those you opressed, why else the mantra of "No Surrender"? Why else the sectarian parades every year? Perfect evidence of how insecure you feel.

    "Our way of life?" What exactly is that way Keth?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Typical bullsh!t response from you Keith.


    Loyalists like yourself and Spence have always lived in fear of those you opressed, why else the mantra of "No Surrender"? Why else the sectarian parades every year? Perfect evidence of how insecure you feel.

    "Our way of life?" What exactly is that way Keth?
    Iv answered those questions before. We will derail this thread if we continue with it. Open a thread for it or something in politics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Iv answered those questions before. We will derail this thread if we continue with it. Open a thread for it or something in politics.
    No you haven't Keith, you specialize in one or two sentence answers.

    Strange you have such an issue with thread derailments when you always do that yourself in any northern or republican themed thread with your usual subliminal taig bashing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    No you haven't Keith, you specialize in one or two sentence answers.

    Strange you have such an issue with thread derailments when you always do that yourself in any northern or republican themed thread with your usual subliminal taig bashing.
    Stop taking the thread off topic which is about poppies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Jenroche wrote: »
    Plenty of Irishmen fought and died in the Great War (WW1), one of which was my great-grandfather who went over the top and died on the first day of the Somme. For he and those like him, I will wear a poppy. RIP

    Paddy Harte the ex FG TD from Donegal did a lot of working commemorating the men killed in the Somme etc.

    He made a great point in one of the local papers here. If these men had been born 3/4 years earlier, chances are they'd have been in the IRA fighting and vice versa!

    Indeed, some did come back and join the IRA.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    Jenroche wrote: »
    Plenty of Irishmen fought and died in the Great War (WW1), one of which was my great-grandfather who went over the top and died on the first day of the Somme. For he and those like him, I will wear a poppy. RIP

    There's a National War Memorial Garden dedicated to all the Irish men who died during WW1. How many of you that wear the British poppy go there on a regular basis to pay your respects?

    And once again I would just like to reiterate...THE POPPY IS NOT DEDICATED TO THOSE WHO DIED DURING WW1...it is a symbol for all those that fought for the British Empire including those that fough and killed the Irish right on your doorsteps.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    There's a National War Memorial Garden dedicated to all the Irish men who died during WW1. How many of you that wear the British poppy go there on a regular basis to pay your respects?

    And once again I would just like to reiterate...THE POPPY IS NOT DEDICATED TO THOSE WHO DIED DURING WW1...it is a symbol for all those that fought for the British Empire including those that fough and killed the Irish right on your doorsteps.

    You obviously didn't get the email, the British Empire ceasefire to exist before you, I, or anyone else on this board was born.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭bastados


    Seaneh wrote: »
    My Great Grand Father, like many others, fought with the British Navy in WW1, was shot in the arm. If I wore a poppy it would be to remember his contribution. So I don't see why not.

    One of my forebears was awarded a Victoria Cross for his efforts in winning the day at the famous battle of Rorke's drift and my grandfather was badly beaten with the butt of a rifle by the black and tans when he was about 10 years old for giving cheek.

    Whatever happened to remembering loved ones quietly without all this flag waving hoopla?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    You obviously didn't get the email, the British Empire ceasefire to exist before you, I, or anyone else on this board was born.

    Fine...

    Serving the British Empire, British Commonwelth, United Kingdom, Queen and Country...

    Whatever you want to call it. The bottom line is it is not, has never been and will never be for Irish Soldiers!

    However it is for and always will be for the soldiers who fought against the Irish and took part in incidents such as Bloody Sunday where unarmed civilians were murdered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 697 ✭✭✭gent9662


    Fine...

    Serving the British Empire, British Commonwelth, United Kingdom, Queen and Country...

    Whatever you want to call it. The bottom line is it is not, has never been and will never be for Irish Soldiers!

    However it is for and always will be for the soldiers who fought against the Irish and took part in incidents such as Bloody Sunday where unarmed civilians were murdered.

    Lads get back on topic! You guys are way off!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    dclane wrote: »
    Lads get back on topic! You guys are way off!

    Care to explain how we're 'way off'? The topic is should Irish citizens wear the poppy. My post which you quoted is the reason why they shouldn't.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 697 ✭✭✭gent9662


    Care to explain how we're 'way off'? The topic is should Irish citizens wear the poppy. My post which you quoted is the reason why they shouldn't.

    When you start quoting Irish Republican crap about bloody sunday and innocents etc etc. It's not discussing the the core topic here!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    You know there is a lot of irony in all this talk about "British Imperialism" (TM) coming as it almost invariably does from people who have a bit of an obsessive compulsion regarding their supposed God given right to forcibly annex the territory of a neighbouring country against the wishes of the majority of the people living there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Ald


    I think it's interesting that the British Legion in ROI can't tell you how many veterans are dependent on the poppy fund here. I'd say it's minimal numbers.

    Therefore, through remembering those of WW1 and WW2 you are taking the British governments responsibility of caring for injured troops of battles predominantly post WW2. I wonder what the thousands of Irish men that went to fight for the British army in the hope of Irish freedom would make of that. My family aren't into remembrance through the poppy. We talk abou them and remember them. We certainly don't remember in a manner that takes advantage of the nostalgia for WW1&2 and then pay for subsequent war injured...

    It's a scam...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    "Irish Republican crap about innocents and bloody sunday"


    LOL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    dclane wrote: »
    When you start quoting Irish Republican crap about bloody sunday and innocents etc etc. It's not discussing the the core topic here!

    'Irish Republican crap about Bloody Sunday and innocents...??? I think you'll find that the Saville enquiry found the killings of unarmed civilians to be unlawful and unjust. Thats not 'Republican crap'. Thats Fact.

    Your not the brightest button in the box are you? Incidents like Bloody Sunday are the 'core topic' when your asking if we should wear a symbol which by it's very nature is a sign of support and respect towards the British army and all who have served in it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Personally I see it as being for all those killed in war. And in that sense it is an anti-war symbol.

    "lest we forget..." says to me "lets not do this sh*t again ever".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Have you just swallowed a book on Burma or something?

    The truth seems to bother you no end.
    You obviously didn't get the email, the British Empire ceasefire to exist before you, I, or anyone else on this board was born.

    Left India and Burma in 1948, Aden in 1967, Kenya 1963. Rhodesia/Zimbabwe 1965, Egypt only in 1952.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Personally I see it as being for all those killed in war. And in that sense it is an anti-war symbol.

    "lest we forget..." says to me "lets not do this sh*t again ever".
    Thats the white poppy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Jens Lehman wore it on Sky Sports last week. If he can, anyone who wants to can


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Thats the white poppy

    :confused:

    News to me. White huh? I dont think i've ever seen one...


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