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Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

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  • #242
    round tower huntsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    dclane wrote: »
    After watching the x-factor over the weekend I saw that the Irish contestants were all wearing the red poppy. I don't personally see why not, given the vast number of Irish men who died in world war one, but there may be some people who will think differently.


    the poppy isnt just worn in regards to ww1. the poppy appeal is to help british war vets from all wars inc iraq and afghanistan...you wear a poppy to show support for the british soldiers,the life blood of its war machine.
    personally i think only a quisling of an irish man would wear one.


  • #243
    Ald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Ald


    Fair play to Robert Ballagh! Quite impressive man.


  • #244
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    round tower huntsman wrote: »
    the poppy isnt just worn in regards to ww1. the poppy appeal is to help british war vets from all wars inc iraq and afghanistan...you wear a poppy to show support for the british soldiers,the life blood of its war machine.
    personally i think only a quisling of an irish man would wear one.
    personally I do support the British soldiers in Afghanistan, just as I do the Irish ones there as well

    If you are anti the UN mission out there, maybe a good place to start would be lobbying the Irish government who voted I'm favour of it I'm the UN and support it by sensing troops out there.


  • #245
    God...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 204 ✭✭God...


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    GOD WINS!
    :cool:


  • #246
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Ald wrote: »
    Personally, I think those that wear poppies in Ireland are either directly connected to the British army through a relative or have an agenda.


    [rant] These days It seems about the worst thing one can accuse someone of is "having an agenda"
    What a crock of steaming flyblown horseshyte ! What exactly is so shameful about having an agenda ? I for one am not ashamed to tell the world that I have an agenda. My agenda is to convince as many people as possible to elect a government which is likely to help/encourage/fund/facilitate/legalise the kind of people/things I happen to approve of and to withdraw funding from/outlaw/tax/abolish/lock-up/deport/kill the kind of people/things I happen to disapprove of.

    So there Ive said it Shock horror ! I have an agenda and tell the gawdamn truth SO DO YOU ![/rant]


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  • #247
    discus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    In WW1 a country invaded another country. A hundred thousand Irishmen saw that as unfair to the citizens of France, and so joined the armies who were willing to fight with the french to help them retain their country.

    Of course I'll wear a poppy in their memory.


  • #248
    Ald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Ald


    I'm open and honest about my agenda. Those Irish that wear poppies aren't...


  • #249
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Ald wrote: »
    Those Irish that wear poppies aren't...

    Because youve personally discussed it with every single one of them right ?


  • #250
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Ald wrote: »
    I'm open and honest about my agenda. Those Irish that wear poppies aren't...

    They're going around wearing a symbol which tells you that they support the British Legion.

    I can't see how that is being anything other than open and honest.


  • #251
    LumpyMonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭LumpyMonkey


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Sorry, maybe I misunderstood you? and indeed there was nothing "great" about it.

    Many of the British generals in particular were idiots who sent those brave Irish men to their graves, but none the less I will wear a poppy as a mark of respect, & to remember the futility of war.

    Bye bye again.

    discus wrote: »
    In WW1 a country invaded another country. A hundred thousand Irishmen saw that as unfair to the citizens of France, and so joined the armies who were willing to fight with the french to help them retain their country.
    Of course I'll wear a poppy in their memory.


    To both the posters above . . . hear, hear. As I've said I'll wear any symbol of remembrance of Irishmen killed or injured for the greater good in any army. I've known Irishmen who fought under the Canadian Maple Leaf, the French Tricolour, the Irish Tricolour and indeed the Union Jack. I'm recognising the bravery of individuals, not the warmongering of politicians.

    To RebelHeart and others who favour offensive language instead of discussion & debate, I respectfully retire myself from this thread.


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  • #252
    Minstrel27
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    I wouldn't wear a poppy. I wouldn't wear an Easter Lily either.


  • #253
    Lorcan78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Lorcan78


    Any Irishman or women who decides to brandish the poppy on remembrance day should be branded as a traitor to Ireland , i'm sorry folk's but this is a subject i feel strongly about , i cant understand how any Irish person with any love for his or her country would even consider fighting alongside british impearlist soliders and then commemorate their dead whilst treating them like hero's , traitors the lot of em , my grandfather and his brother included .

    We should all be commemorating the real Irish men and women who gave their lives so we may be free , they are the real hero's .


    Lorcan ........


  • #254
    Lorcan78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Lorcan78


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Well we all live on the British Isles don't we? So why not.


    /runs for cover


    Irish-British Isles

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute


  • #255
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    My Great Grand Father, like many others, fought with the British Navy in WW1, was shot in the arm. If I wore a poppy it would be to remember his contribution. So I don't see why not.


  • #256
    Ald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Ald


    My Great Grand Father, like many others, fought with the British Navy in WW1, was shot in the arm. If I wore a poppy it would be to remember his contribution. So I don't see why not.
    Then you are remembering your grandfather by donating to a charity that supports injured troops from agressions such as those in Iraq, Afghanistan and indeed Derry and Aughnacloy. Do you feel comfortable with that? Would your grandfather? Do you not think it would be more comforting to see the money go to a neutral charity in his name?


  • #257
    Seaneh
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    Ald wrote: »
    Then you are remembering your grandfather by donating to a charity that supports injured troops from agressions such as those in Iraq, Afghanistan and indeed Derry and Aughnacloy. Do you feel comfortable with that? Would your grandfather? Do you not think it would be more comforting to see the money go to a neutral charity in his name?

    I'm pretty sure I can put a poppy in my lapel without giving a cent to anyone, the damned things grow wild all over the island.


  • #258
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    It makes me laugh the waybAfghanistan is constantly raised, yet those nasty British soldiers are on a mission voted for ny, amongst others, the Republic of Ireland. There are also Irish soldiers out there as part of ISAF. Can we presume therefore that Ireland is an aggressive imperialist country?


  • #259
    Ald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Ald


    I'm pretty sure I can put a poppy in my lapel without giving a cent to anyone, the damned things grow wild all over the island.
    I respect that and fair play to you. It's important to remember.

    I think the issue here though is the muddling of the British Legion and the selective nature of their remembrance and the taking advantage of peoples' nostalgia for the vets of WW2. And also the poppy facism that is evident in Britain and is imposed on foreign nationals there on their T.V.


  • #260
    Hannibal Smith
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Can we presume therefore that Ireland is an aggressive imperialist country?

    pmsl :D


  • #261
    Nodin
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It makes me laugh the waybAfghanistan is constantly raised, yet those nasty British soldiers are on a mission voted for ny, amongst others, the Republic of Ireland. There are also Irish soldiers out there as part of ISAF. Can we presume therefore that Ireland is an aggressive imperialist country?

    It can be raised a hundred times, but its not going to make India, Aden, Burma and Iraq any less relevant.


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  • #262
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    It can be raised a hundred times, but its not going to make India, Aden, Burma and Iraq any less relevant.

    Have you just swallowed a book on Burma or something?


  • #263
    Ald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Ald


    yet those nasty British soldiers are on a mission voted for ny, amongst others, the Republic of Ireland.
    Details?


  • #264
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Ald wrote: »
    Details?

    http://www.military.ie/overseas/ops/asia/isaf/index.htm


  • #265
    th3 s1aught3r
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭th3 s1aught3r


    Why should anyone have to wear it, why indeed should British people have to wear it ? All those telly folk are made to wear it, which I find even more irritating. As for Irish people wearing it, so what if they want to, get over it and get a life


  • #266
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    [rant] These days It seems about the worst thing one can accuse someone of is "having an agenda"
    What a crock of steaming flyblown horseshyte ! What exactly is so shameful about having an agenda ? I for one am not ashamed to tell the world that I have an agenda. My agenda is to convince as many people as possible to elect a government which is likely to help/encourage/fund/facilitate/legalise the kind of people/things I happen to approve of and to withdraw funding from/outlaw/tax/abolish/lock-up/deport/kill the kind of people/things I happen to disapprove of.

    So there Ive said it Shock horror ! I have an agenda and tell the gawdamn truth SO DO YOU ![/rant]


    really? you hid that well


  • #267
    Ald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Ald


    Resulting from this agreement an international force, ISAF, was established to secure peace and stability in Afghanistan. On December 20th, ISAF was mandated by UNSCR 1386.
    Are they not there for peace keeping? That differs hugely from what Britain and America are there for. I saw a documentary on Ch4 following an American regiment take a town held by the Taliban. It followed from the aggression to the time they renovated the town. There were a number of civilians killed. They offered $2000 per life to the family(what a joke). The local economy more or less collapsed because traders couldn't trade. And who knows what else was caught off camera, only wikileaks would tell. I know that documentary was of an American regiment but the point being that it is aggression and it is doing harm! I don't think Ireland is up to the same tricks at all....


  • #268
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Ald wrote: »
    Are they not there for peace keeping? That differs hugely from what Britain and America are there for. I saw a documentary on Ch4 following an American regiment take a town held by the Taliban. It followed from the aggression to the time they renovated the town. There were a number of civilians killed. They offered $2000 per life to the family(what a joke). The local economy more or less collapsed because traders couldn't trade. And who knows what else was caught off camera, only wikileaks would tell. I know that documentary was of an American regiment but the point being that it is aggression and it is doing harm! I don't think Ireland is up to the same tricks at all....

    Huh? they are all there as part of the same UN resolution, which was voted for by Ireland. Ireland has shown it's support for the resolution by sending out it's own specialist people. Just because Ireland woefully underspends on it's military and can therefore not send out a decent sized contingent does not mean it does not fully support ISAF.

    Wikileaks ahs an agenda. does it also show the schools bombed by the taliban for educating girls? Probably not.


  • #269
    Ald
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Ald


    Well, why would it have to appear on wikileaks? I saw that reported on Ch4 news! It was in Pakistan after the floods.

    Ireland's contribution, from my reading, is peace led. It's not to overtake control from the Taliban. Is that an incorrect reading of it?


  • #270
    patmac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,607 ✭✭✭patmac


    I'm wearing a Puppy in support of the Slightly Deaf British War Veterans.


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  • #271
    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It makes me laugh the waybAfghanistan is constantly raised, yet those nasty British soldiers are on a mission voted for ny, amongst others, the Republic of Ireland. There are also Irish soldiers out there as part of ISAF. Can we presume therefore that Ireland is an aggressive imperialist country?
    http://www.military.ie/overseas/ops/asia/isaf/index.htm
    Ireland's contribution is seven personnel, who operate in ISAF HQ, four being employed in the Liaison and Negotiations Branch.

    Not to go off topic again but there's seven Irish personnel involved with the ISAF and they all work in an office.


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