Kevin Myers: FF will always be loved by Irish people

th3 s1aught3r · 09-11-2010 02:32PM #1

He said that even though FF have helped to ruin the country and in the past have mismanaged things and have a littany of 'dodgy' leaders, they will always recover and get back into power becasue the Irish people have an in bred love for FF. The other parties just dont have the same connection with the people
So basically they will lose the next election and probably be out of power for a couple of terms and then back with a vengence to wreck things all over again :eek:

Snakeblood · 09-11-2010 02:33PM

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

He said that even though FF have helped to ruin the country and in the past have mismanaged things and have a littany of 'dodgy' leaders, they will always recover and get back into power becasue the Irish people have an in bred love for FF. The other parties just dont have the same connection with the people
So basically they will lose the next election and probably be out of power for a couple of terms and then back with a vengence to wreck things all over again :eek:

Is this where we go to call Kevin Myers a ****head?

Nodin · 09-11-2010 02:33PM

Same everywhere, really. It won't be the same crew though, or nessecarily the same ethos.

orourkeda · 09-11-2010 02:33PM

He's 100% correct

orourkeda · 09-11-2010 02:34PM

Snakeblood wrote: »

Is this where we go to call Kevin Myers a ****head?

No it's here that we acknowledge that he has a point.

starbelgrade · 09-11-2010 02:34PM

In stark contrast, Kevin Myers will never be loved by the Irish people.

Nodin · 09-11-2010 02:36PM

orourkeda wrote: »

No it's here that we acknowledge that he has a point.

Not really. The labour vote under Spring was huge, they went in with FF, it collapsed, now its back up. America - Republicans in, then out, then rising again. Its not really unique.

-Trek- · 09-11-2010 02:37PM

LOL, Kevin Myers is quite the troll isn't he

mikom · 09-11-2010 02:37PM

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Kevin Myers: FF will always be loved by Irish people

Join us next week for Kevin's article.............. SS will always be loved by German people

mike65 · 09-11-2010 02:39PM

Nodin

Labour have never formed a one party government and have never been a senior partner in a government. They do well only if other are doing badly. FF is the default setting of the Irish voter.

parker kent · 09-11-2010 02:41PM

It is more or less true. I imagine that if there was an election soon, Enda would inevitably end up as Taoiseach. But then Fine Gael would have to do the necessary cuts and they would be become deeply unpopular. Thus Fianna Fail would be next into Government.

Pretty much like in every other democracy in the world. The UK has the Conservatives and Labour, USA have Democrats and Republicans. It is a never ending cycle.

Nodin · 09-11-2010 02:42PM

mike65 wrote: »

Nodin

Labour have never formed a one party government and have never been a senior partner in a government. They do well only if other are doing badly. FF is the default setting of the Irish voter.

The point is about cycles of popularity. They happen, and they happen everywhere.

He also presumes that Future FF would be the same as Past FF.

bonerm · 09-11-2010 02:42PM

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

He said that even though FF have helped to ruin the country and in the past have mismanaged things and have a littany of 'dodgy' leaders, they will always recover and get back into power becasue the Irish people have an in bred love for FF. The other parties just dont have the same connection with the people
So basically they will lose the next election and probably be out of power for a couple of terms and then back with a vengence to wreck things all over again :eek:

Most voters don't give a damn about the country so long as "they're alright" in their own little backwater. A broken traffic-light or an uncut branch is of more concern to them than the national debt or current bond rates. This is what the FF'ers deliver in exchange for endless election wins for them and eventually their sons/daughters/grandchildren. It's an incestuous little set-up for a well organised group of grubby chancers to pitch their Faustian deals to a bunch of short-sighted yokels. Only now with the country visibly collapsing can it be seen what giving these people power results in.

I agree they'll be out at the next election but back in less than 10 to have another nice long stretch and opportunity to ruin the future for another generation of Irish people.

abouttobebanned · 09-11-2010 02:43PM

FF...FG...its all the same. A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf.

Dudess · 09-11-2010 02:43PM

Attention-seeker looks for attention, gets it. Although to be fair, he probably has a point. Wouldn't be surprised if there will always be a love for Fianna Fáil among many generations of Irish (certainly not all of us though - hate this "we" bollocks) and a sneaky regard for the "cute hoor".

orourkeda · 09-11-2010 02:47PM

Nodin wrote: »

Not really. The labour vote under Spring was huge, they went in with FF, it collapsed, now its back up. America - Republicans in, then out, then rising again. Its not really unique.

The republicans vote recovers when a poor democratic president is elected and vice versa.

It's normal that any political partys share of the vote will fluctuate from time to time. In fairness to Kevin Myers that is probably the point he is trying to make. The chances that FF' vote will rebound over an extended period of time are pretty high I'd imagine.

seamus · 09-11-2010 02:50PM

I'm not quite sure if this is the case any more. I can remember having the discussion before the last GE in 2007 with my father. He has voted FF all his life, since he could vote. My grandfather was a civil servant - secretary to one of the Taoiseachs, staunchly pro-FF all his life. He claimed that "FF will always do right by business, they'll always do what's best for the economy".

When the last local elections rolled around, that had all changed. For the first time in 42 years, he thought that FF were not the candidates of choice, his words were, "I just don't know any more". I think he abstained for that one, unable to decide if any of them were any use.

parker kent · 09-11-2010 02:53PM

The bigger problem is a system that favours local politics over national politics. Local work should be the remit of local politicians (i.e. councillors). Politicians in the Dail should not have to worry about sorting out pot holes or getting planning permission. But that is the way that they will get elected, so it is easy to see how they would put effort into sorting out affairs for local people.

Only when it is properly reformed will Ireland have a government that actually works for the national interest.

th3 s1aught3r · 09-11-2010 02:56PM

parker kent wrote: »

The bigger problem is a system that favours local politics over national politics. Local work should be the remit of local politicians (i.e. councillors). Politicians in the Dail should not have to worry about sorting out pot holes or getting planning permission. But that is the way that they will get elected, so it is easy to see how they would put effort into sorting out affairs for local people.

Only when it is properly reformed will Ireland have a government that actually works for the national interest.

This is true
FF have a knack of putting 'popular' local people up , GAA heros etc. How this qualifies them to be a TD is another matter

SEPT 23 1989 · 09-11-2010 02:56PM

Everything has changed now and i believe they will get less than 20 seats in the next election

Seloth · 09-11-2010 02:58PM

FF are getting the blame for the simple fact that they were in power at the time.

If any other party or collation were in power,the same **** would have happened.

We are a small country reliable on others,if the world looses its belt,were the pants that fall,

Ireland FF have been in much worse places before,I honestly laugh when people say they will never vote for them again,even if there was a total change of those who are in it.

Snakeblood · 09-11-2010 03:01PM

orourkeda wrote: »

No it's here that we acknowledge that he has a point.

Can't I do both?

th3 s1aught3r · 09-11-2010 03:02PM

Seloth wrote: »

FF are getting the blame for the simple fact that they were in power at the time.

.

lol.
They took decisions during that time that has made our problems MUCH worse than other countries

PeterIanStaker · 09-11-2010 03:12PM

Myers is a pompus ass who does his best to get attention in a needy way. While it is true that a segment of the population will always vote for FF, Myers is simply feeding off people's misery and resentment once more. And just like there'll always be FF voters, there'll always be people whose self-esteem is low enough to read his inane right-wing imperialist fantasy drivel day in, day out. Vicious circle.

charlemont · 09-11-2010 03:18PM

How a party that was instrumental in setting up and covering up a system of child sex abuse unparalleled in the western world could still be in existence with none of its members in jail is just shocking...

opinion guy · 09-11-2010 03:18PM

Myers is right.

Next election - Greens will take all the blame and go the way of the PD's. FF will lose some votes but probably still get in in coalition. Next election but one FF get back in

seamus · 09-11-2010 03:22PM

Seloth wrote: »

FF are getting the blame for the simple fact that they were in power at the time.

Hah. They drove the bus, they drove too fast, they ignored all the red lights and stop signs, and then they crashed into a group of children and killed them all.
But we're only blaming them because they're standing beside the bus trying to sort the mess out?

Biggins · 09-11-2010 03:28PM

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

He said that even though FF have helped to ruin the country and in the past have mismanaged things and have a littany of 'dodgy' leaders, they will always recover and get back into power becasue the Irish people have an in bred love for FF. The other parties just dont have the same connection with the people
So basically they will lose the next election and probably be out of power for a couple of terms and then back with a vengence to wreck things all over again :eek:

Myers has achieved what he set out to do. Get folk talking about him!

Anyway, as we all know, there will always be support for some people/orgs' no matter how stupid it may seem to others.
FF will be around for some time yet to come as there is still a culture of traditional support alone at local levels.
Its parish pump thinking sadly but thats what helps to keep the monster alive and ticking over till it jumps out at the next opportunity, given what ever tabloid drama it can use to its advantage!

Bottle_of_Smoke · 09-11-2010 03:29PM

Is this online. I f*cking love Kevin Myers when he's not giving off about atheists.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 09-11-2010 03:37PM

OK read it. Good other than the cheap shot at Gilmore toward the end.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-ff-doesnt-aim-high-because-it-understands-moral-mediocrity-2412439.html

topper75 · 09-11-2010 04:13PM

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

This is true
FF have a knack of putting 'popular' local people up , GAA heros etc. How this qualifies them to be a TD is another matter

I thought getting most votes qualifies you?

You'd like Myanmar.

Kevin Myers: FF will always be loved by Irish people

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