Wearing of the Poppy! Should Irish citizens wear it?

Rebelheart wrote: »

So, Sutch, the British poppy recognises all those men and women who fought and died for Irish freedom from British colonial rule? Well, does it? Or does it commemorate all those who fought and died on behalf of the British Empire to dispossess the Irish people and keep them faoi chois century after century?

Pray tell, where is this supposedly pro-Irish British poppy of yours?

The idea that Irish people should wear these British nationalist poppies to commemorate the very footsoldiers and ideology which has kept the Irish people down for centuries is utterly preposterous.

you do realise not every Irish person is republican?,not to mention the British have probably given tenfold to ireland what they took away?.Cop on,the poppy is a sign of respect for the men who died whether they be British or not,they were still flesh and blood.

pmcmahon wrote: »

people are still too bitter to wear a piece of plastic to recognise that men fought and died no matter what side of the war or nationality

With all due respect and at the risk of being tautologous: this is specious rubbish. The poppy wearers, and their organisers the ultra-nationalist Royal British Legion, care very, very much about who the poppy commemorates - and it certainly does not include Germans, or even British allies like Russia and the United States. The red poppy is a partisan symbol designed to commemorate one side, the British Commonwealth's side, and no other side. Have you information to the contrary?

pmcmahon wrote: »

then at least recognise the Irish that died for the shilling.However,total over reaction,it's a mark of respect to the normal people who died in the bloodiest battles of all civilisation.

And if we 'recognise the Irish who died for the King's shilling', should we also recognise the Irish who died for murdering people other than on behalf of the British Empire? Should we "recognise" those Irish who did all sorts of other heinous crimes? What makes an Irish-born person who fights for the British Empire, and the consequent subjugation of indigenous populations, worthy of "recognition"?

And, really, if it's the magnitude of the "sacrifice", then why aren't the British following the Russians, who gave most in "the bloodiest battles of all civilisation"? Where does the red poppy fit into 'recognising' the Russian sacrifice, for instance? This is all a very poor attempt at dressing up acceptance of the British poppy as something which it most assuredly isn't: internationally accepted beyond British Commonwealth countries.

Rebelheart wrote: »

With all due respect and at the risk of being tautologous: this is specious rubbish. The poppy wearers, and their organisers the ultra-nationalist Royal British Legion, care very, very much about who the poppy commemorates - and it certainly does not include Germans, or even British allies like Russia and the United States. The red poppy is a partisan symbol designed to commemorate one side, the British Commonwealth's side, and no other side. Have you information to the contrary?

note here that i was talking about the Irish who fought along-side the British and the Irish who fought the British,while recalled them as "men" to get the human element across,not Russian, not German or American,don't jump the gun boyo.

Rebelheart wrote: »

And if we 'recognise the Irish who died for the King's shilling', should we also recognise the Irish who died for murdering people other than on behalf of the British Empire? Should we "recognise" those Irish who did all sorts of other heinous crimes? What makes an Irish-born person who fights for the British Empire, and the consequent subjugation of indigenous populations, worthy of "recognition"?

So should we all wear easter lilies to commemorate the murder of British soldiers just because we're Irish?,the republican Irish are just as much "murderers" as the British and Irish soldiers of the world war.You also have to get through your skull not everybody in Ireland supported the republic,and still to this day some don't,so to say that the Irish men who died in the world war not worthy of recognition is a total farce.

Rebelheart wrote: »

And, really, if it's the magnitude of the "sacrifice", then why aren't the British following the Russians, who gave most in "the bloodiest battles of all civilisation"? Where does the red poppy fit into 'recognising' the Russian sacrifice, for instance? This is all a very poor attempt at dressing up acceptance of the British poppy as something which it most assuredly isn't: internationally accepted beyond British Commonwealth countries.

As above.

also as you said the Poppy is to signify the sacrifice made FOR the commonwealth,why would the Russians be included in this or even get a recognition?.The Russians are an independent state from Britain and have never been under British rule,to propose that it should be an international symbol for all countries on the allied side is a complete mock of an argument.Ireland had soldiers in the British army and for recognition of them the poppy should be just as important to the Irish people,not the Russians.

Rebelheart wrote: »

Suffering Jesus. I've seen it all now. The nice, peace-loving British just came to help the backward Irish out....:o

foundations in Industrialisation,Education, Sanitation,Economics,Policing should i go on?,or have you never compared the striking similarities between our systems and the British systems?

Rebelheart wrote: »

As above, this is ahistorical, undereducated nonsense of the highest order. Please educate yourself before continuing with this ráiméis. My head is in pain with having to endure this degree of ignorance.

Somebody to talk of ignorance :rolleyes:,perhaps you should check up on the secret air-fields given to the british by Ireland during world war II,perhaps that makes the republicans just as much turncoats as the men who died in Flanders.