Real Woman - What are they?

anothernight · 08-11-2010 10:22PM

SugarHigh wrote: »

Please post proof women get paid less for the same work.

It's a bit off topic overall, and I'm too lazy to try and find it in their website, but I remember a few months ago Engineers Ireland had a report on the average wages of newly qualified engineers. It said that men earned more than women. I remember it because it really annoyed me at the time =/

Found it on my laptop:

EI Salary Survey wrote:

Males with less than one year’s experience are typically Ordinary Members, and earn around €31,000. This quickly moves up to €34,780 for their second year.

EI Salary Survey wrote:

At one year’s experience, females earn between €27,500 and €32,500. While there is less data available for their male colleagues with similar experience, there does not appear to be any great difference in salaries at this stage. However, at three to five years’ experience, a female Chartered Engineer can expect to earn an average of €47,500, while their male colleagues can earn an average of €55,500. At 16 to 20 years’ experience, female Chartered Engineers’ salaries rise to €83,750, while a male at the same level and with the same number of years of experience can earn €89,505. Finally, female Ordinary Members with between 11 and 15 years’ experience can earn an average of €65,000 but their male colleagues at the same level can expect to earn €72,000.

SugarHigh · 08-11-2010 10:49PM

Read page 4 of the survey and they show women who earn a lot more than men and go on to say the survey was too small.

Dudess · 08-11-2010 11:12PM

Facebook group on it now - "Real women are not size zero, real women have curves". I think sometimes such sentiments are well intentioned - as in, their message to young women and girls (who can be very impressionable - it's not a disservice to them to say that) is "You don't have to be stick-thin to be attractive" (that's not advocating they be fat either, just healthy) but sometimes such sentiment just looks bitchy and jealous and resentful of very slender women who are still healthy, not just those who are size zero.

Although some of the stuff being said on this thread by the "opposition" is equally bitchy - feels like reading a pro ana website in places...

BillShorey · 08-11-2010 11:28PM

Dudess wrote: »

Facebook group on it now - "Real women are not size zero, real women have curves". I think sometimes such sentiments are well intentioned - as in, their message to young women and girls (who can be very impressionable - it's not a disservice to them to say that) is "You don't have to be stick-thin to be attractive" (that's not advocating they be fat either, just healthy) but sometimes such sentiment just looks bitchy and jealous and resentful of very slender women who are still healthy, not just those who are size zero.

Although some of the stuff being said on this thread by the "opposition" is equally bitchy - feels like reading a pro ana website in places...

It's absolute bull**** though. Just because a woman wants to look a certain way doesn't make her any more or less of a woman, and trying to imply it does (mainly because the women doing the implying could never achieve what the other women have) is petty and pathetic.

If anything the fat tramps calling skinny or pretty women less of a woman than they are, are indeed the ones who are less of a woman or more so, less of a person than the person they're accusing. Simply because, they know they'll never be able to achieve that much with their lives and are trying to put others down for it.

Dudess · 08-11-2010 11:32PM

I have to admit though, I do say "He's not a real man" about girlie guys like Ronaldo. :pac:

In that sense, "real women" might be used as a phrase that's not applicable to seriously underweight women who are built like pre-pubescent girls/boys (some fashion models are, but otherwise, it's rare) as opposed to having a "womanly" shape - like Scarlett Johansson (not Dawn French :pac:).

starbelgrade · 08-11-2010 11:36PM

Dudess wrote: »

I have to admit though, I do say "He's not a real man" about girlie guys like Ronaldo. :pac:

Everyone says that. Even blokes.

foxinsox · 09-11-2010 12:06AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Everyone says that. Even blokes.

I still would though

I think

yeah

I would

Chuchoter · 09-11-2010 12:10AM

Tbh, real woman is generally code for fat, but the concept I find quite offensive. It says that only women with 'curves' are real women, so where does that leave naturally skinny womens? Its as bad as the size 0 thing.

alwaysadub · 09-11-2010 12:15AM

crayolastereo wrote: »

Tbh, real woman is generally code for fat, but the concept I find quite offensive. It says that only women with 'curves' are real women, so where does that leave naturally skinny womens? Its as bad as the size 0 thing.

Yeah you can't win really.
I'm quite slim, and the amount of total strangers who comment on it is unreal-they wouldn't say a word if i was huge cos that'd be offensive:rolleyes:

SugarHigh · 09-11-2010 12:16AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Everyone says that. Even blokes.

What were you saying about being judgemental?

foxinsox · 09-11-2010 12:21AM

alwaysadub wrote: »

Yeah you can't win really.
I'm quite slim, and the amount of total strangers who comment on it is unreal-they wouldn't say a word if i was huge cos that'd be offensive:rolleyes:

I agree with you..

Oh, the size of you, you bitch!"

"Jaysus, you skinny bitch!"

I don't go up to bigger women and say "Oh the size of you, you bitch!"

I'd get decked...

I eat lots, loads in fact...

As you say.. you can't win... :rolleyes:

But all this "real" woman stuff is just nonsense...
All women are real...

EDIT: meant to say I am correct weight for my height.. medically speaking ;-)

starbelgrade · 09-11-2010 12:24AM

SugarHigh wrote: »

What were you saying about being judgemental?

The reason I would consider Ronaldo a "girlie man" has little to do with his looks & everything to do with his actions.

He's a crybaby - not something I admire in a man.

Now, Cantona... that's a real man that anyone can admire.

Ectoplasm · 09-11-2010 12:26AM

alwaysadub wrote: »

Yeah you can't win really.
I'm quite slim, and the amount of total strangers who comment on it is unreal-they wouldn't say a word if i was huge cos that'd be offensive:rolleyes:

I'd say you'd find that the same people who comment on your weight will comment on someone who is huge too. Ignorant people are ignorant.

foxinsox · 09-11-2010 12:36AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Now, Cantona... that's a real man that anyone can admire.

I think he's a bit hairy..

but hey..

whatever you're into..

Dudess · 09-11-2010 12:38AM

Distorted wrote: »

I get particularly annoyed at the fuss over Christina Hendricks form Mad Men with her two melons on show all the time

Maybe people find her attractive? If anyone said the above about Cheryl Cole, there'd be a tide of abuse.

SugarHigh · 09-11-2010 12:40AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

The reason I would consider Ronaldo a "girlie man" has little to do with his looks & everything to do with his actions.

He's a crybaby - not something I admire in a man.

Now, Cantona... that's a real man that anyone can admire.

So you judge men for crying?

Which is being judgemental.

Millicent · 09-11-2010 12:48AM

SugarHigh wrote: »

So you judge men for crying?

Which is being judgemental.

Sugarhigh, do you see any irony in trying to paint Starbelgrade as judgemental, even though his critique has more to do with personality traits than looks?

seriousfizz · 09-11-2010 12:50AM

Real grammarz - what is they?

yizorselves · 09-11-2010 12:55AM

Real lazy women

Ah not all of them have fine ass genes. Then again a lot of them have nappy arses and just love sippin vino everynight with a chinese

angelfire9 · 09-11-2010 01:04AM

I can't believe this thread
I'm 6ft tall I weigh about 10 stone normally i have a BMI of 22 but I wear a size 12-14 depending on the fit (when I'm not pregnant which I am at the moment)

Does wearing that size make me fat? NO IT DOESN'T
If i was any skinnier I'd look anorexic
I do have boobs though (thanks to motherhood)

So am I a REAL woman??

yizorselves · 09-11-2010 01:09AM

Ah no 10st for a 6ft woman sounds slim enough

starbelgrade · 09-11-2010 01:09AM

Millicent wrote: »

Sugarhigh, do you see any irony in trying to paint Starbelgrade as judgemental, even though his critique has more to do with personality traits than looks?

The problem with Sugarhigh on this matter is that even though a large part of what he says is true, he feels that everyone should agree entirely with everything he believes, which of course is never going to happen.

Despite that, he's been trying & failing desperately to trip me up in my logic, which also is never going to happen.

Surprising really, because normally he's quite reasonable.

angelfire9 · 09-11-2010 01:15AM

yizorselves wrote: »

Ah no 10st for a 6ft woman sounds slim enough

I have boobs, I have an ass I have as my granny would say "good childbearing hips" why am i not a real woman?

Dudess · 09-11-2010 01:17AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

I have boobs, I have an ass I have as my granny would say "good childbearing hips" why am i not a real woman?

No it's skinny women that are being deemed by some as "not real women".

Oranage2 · 09-11-2010 01:17AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

I have boobs, I have an ass I have as my granny would say "good childbearing hips" why am i not a real woman?

You're not a real woman...........................................................You're a dream woman - You had me at child bearing hips

starbelgrade · 09-11-2010 01:18AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

You're not a real woman...........................................................You're a dream woman - You had me at child bearing hips

*pukes*

yizorselves · 09-11-2010 01:21AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

I have boobs, I have an ass I have as my granny would say "good childbearing hips" why am i not a real woman?

You are I wasnt disagreeing.

6ft women can be 11-12st and still have a nice figure. Tis all about the curves

angelfire9 · 09-11-2010 01:22AM

Dudess wrote: »

No it's skinny women that are being deemed by some as "not real women".

But the point is I am skinny
6ft & 10stone is skinny!

Oranage2 wrote: »

You're not a real woman...........................................................You're a dream woman - You had me at child bearing hips

Millicent · 09-11-2010 01:25AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

The problem with Sugarhigh on this matter is that even though a large part of what he says is true, he feels that everyone should agree entirely with everything he believes, which of course is never going to happen.

Despite that, he's been trying & failing desperately to trip me up in my logic, which also is never going to happen.

Surprising really, because normally he's quite reasonable.

I wouldn't say a lot of it is true, tbh. It's probably true for his age/social demographic/whatever, but I think you give him far more credit than I do.

Dudess · 09-11-2010 01:42AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

But the point is I am skinny
6ft & 10stone is skinny!

But you said yourself you've boobs, an arse and hips. From your description of yourself, it seems like you're slim with curves.

I personally think while, generally speaking, the above seems to be the most idealised female shape, there are women who are a bit overweight yet carry it well - as in, it's all in proportion. I have two friends who will say themselves they are a bit overweight, and they look fantastic - they're slender in the face and neck area, and don't have bingo wings or spare tyres, but they do have big hips, bums and boobs. They dress to suit their shapes though.
Not all women carry extra weight well though - I know I wouldn't as I'm "apple"/"upside down triangle" shaped. I think it only applies to "hourglass" shaped women.
Then I have friends who are quite thin and don't have much in the way of curves, but still have fantastic figures and can wear anything.

Real Woman - What are they?

Comments