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Protest on Wednesday 3/11

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  • #32
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Denerick


    Fúcking students. The idiocy of it all never ceases to amaze me. Attempt to storm the department of finance and the least you should expect is a fúcking bloody nose. Those twits would have been better off spending those couple of hours in the library reading Burke and Locke. Twáts.


  • #33
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    amacachi wrote: »
    Yeah it's kinda the ins and outs I'm looking for, I want to know exactly how much they help how many students.

    50 students each year, 25 mature students and 25 young adults. Virtually all go on to third level education and the retention level is high up to graduation. This year the students are almost completely self-funded, the maintenance grant has been all but abolished. It's particularly tough for mature students, some of whom might be leaving full-time (but generally low-income) jobs to be entering full-time education and I have nothing but respect for them for doing so. They also tend to be extremely hard working and some of the best students to teach.

    There's also the TAP HEAR program in secondary schools and the TAP Primary Schools program.


  • #34
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    g'em wrote: »
    50 students each year, 25 mature students and 25 young adults. Virtually all go on to third level education and the retention level is high up to graduation. This year the students are almost completely self-funded, the maintenance grant has been all but abolished. It's particularly tough for mature students, some of whom might be leaving full-time (but generally low-income) jobs to be entering full-time education and I have nothing but respect for them for doing so. They also tend to be extremely hard working and some of the best students to teach.

    There's also the TAP HEAR program in secondary schools and the TAP Primary Schools program.

    So it's mainly over 23s? Is this on top of the HEAR thing or is TCD not a part of that? Also do any of them get the BTEA on top of the funding for TAP. Up until this year when they could get both the BTEA and the maintenance grant did it just apply to those leaving employment?


  • #35
    g'em
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    Young adults are <23 so it's half and half, separate to HEAR but afaik they're the main feeder schools for the program. Id have to look into the other q's for answers unfortunately :)


  • #36
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    g'em wrote: »
    Young adults are <23 so it's half and half, separate to HEAR but afaik they're the main feeder schools for the program. Id have to look into the other q's for answers unfortunately :)

    No problem, just sounds to me like it's a bit of an extra layer of bureaucracy for not much reason, since <23s can still get the grant. Also I'm a bit bitter in general about the whole thing because I didn't get in with HEAR because my school was recently removed from it for no reason I could see. :pac:


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  • #37
    tolosenc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    Why is nobody asking "did we have things too cushy for a while?" rather than "things are ok, why are you trying to make it worse?"


  • #38
    boblong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭boblong


    Meeja Ireland wrote: »
    It's hard to decide which is more depressing. The stupidity of the protest, or the certainty that half the placards will say "Careful now" and "Down with this sort of thing". Bad enough parroting a fifteen-year-old joke, but a fifteen year-old joke that we've all seen a thousand times.

    Ah, sweet despair.

    Nailed it.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/images/2010/1103/263798_1.jpg?ts=1288814382


  • #39
    Fad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Fad


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    Does anyone know were the USI got the money for all the free t-shirts?

    They weren't free.

    You had to pay for them in most colleges, that tshirt was also your bus fare to the march.

    I neither paid for a tshirt (like fúck will I pay for something with a USI logo on it....afaik Belfield Tech has no opt out possibility, so I resent having to pay the 5 quid affliation fee)

    Cant check the USI website because it wont load for me, they removed the 150 lines of viagra spam from the source of the website though :D


  • #40
    bythewoods
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭bythewoods


    Well, the SU in Trinity were handing the t-shirts out for free, as well as wristbands and banners. And posters. And face paint?

    Money well spent.


  • #41
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    bythewoods wrote: »
    Well, the SU in Trinity were handing the t-shirts out for free, as well as wristbands and banners. And posters. And face paint?

    Money well spent.

    Was it neon? Wouldn't mind some of that meself.


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  • #42
    Fad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Fad


    bythewoods wrote: »
    Well, the SU in Trinity were handing the t-shirts out for free, as well as wristbands and banners. And posters. And face paint?

    Money well spent.

    Then TCDSU paid for it themselves, I suppose their cost was a little lower owing to the fact you lot already are in the slums of the city centre...... :p


  • #43
    sron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭sron


    Denerick wrote: »
    Fúcking students. The idiocy of it all never ceases to amaze me. Attempt to storm the department of finance and the least you should expect is a fúcking bloody nose. Those twits would have been better off spending those couple of hours in the library reading Burke and Locke. Twáts.

    I believe the SWP were responsible for that, and they're hardly the type to read the above authors.


  • #44
    PurpleFistMixer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭PurpleFistMixer


    I'd rather the SU spend money on free tshirts at a protest than a pissup in a hotel...

    Also, to all the haters: at least some people are trying to do something about the state of the country.


  • #45
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    PurpleFistMixer wrote: »
    I'd rather the SU spend money on free tshirts at a protest than a pissup in a hotel...

    Also, to all the haters: at least some people are trying to do something about the state of the country.

    Aye, I hope they're successful in preventing any reining in of government spending, at least then the decision to emigrate will be done for me.


  • #46
    boblong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭boblong


    PurpleFistMixer wrote: »
    I'd rather the SU spend money on free tshirts at a protest than a pissup in a hotel...

    Also, to all the haters: at least some people are trying to do something about the state of the country.

    I think you'll have a tough time convincing people that attending that protest will do more good in the long run than attending lectures and working hard while the protest was going on. (Is that even correct grammar? I'm very tired.)


  • #47
    sron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭sron


    boblong wrote: »
    I think you'll have a tough time convincing people that attending that protest will do more good in the long run than attending lectures and working hard while the protest was going on. (Is that even correct grammar? I'm very tired.)

    Pressurising a government whose perilous existence depends on a passive acceptance of their demands is certainly a useful exercise, especially when the government is as irredeemably egregious as this FF/Glasraí concoction. There's a time to read and a time to march...


  • #48
    PurpleFistMixer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭PurpleFistMixer


    boblong wrote: »
    I think you'll have a tough time convincing people that attending that protest will do more good in the long run than attending lectures and working hard while the protest was going on. (Is that even correct grammar? I'm very tired.)
    Are you so stuck for time that you can't spare 2 hours of study time in an entire year? (Though if I recall, the last big student protest was almost 2 years ago...)


  • #49
    boblong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭boblong


    PurpleFistMixer wrote: »
    Are you so stuck for time that you can't spare 2 hours of study time in an entire year? (Though if I recall, the last big student protest was almost 2 years ago...)

    ?

    That first sentance would make sense if I said: "Lectures are too important to miss", or "I think that my time is too precious for protesting". But that's not what I said at all.


  • #50
    aas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭aas


    boblong wrote: »
    ?

    That first sentance would make sense if I said: "Lectures are too important to miss", or "I think that my time is too precious for protesting". But that's not what I said at all.
    Well, you're still wrong.


  • #51
    boblong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭boblong


    aas wrote: »
    Well, you're still wrong.

    I'm sorry please read my post again, I said that you would have trouble convincing people of your argument. I never even said which I thought was more important.


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  • #52
    PurpleFistMixer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭PurpleFistMixer


    boblong wrote: »
    ?

    That first sentance would make sense if I said: "Lectures are too important to miss", or "I think that my time is too precious for protesting". But that's not what I said at all.
    It was my hypothetical response to a person who gave the reason you suggested for not attending the protest. An alternate way of putting what I said would be, "2 hours of study will probably make little difference, while 2 hours of protesting might potentially make a large difference". Unless of course you haven't studied at all at all and those 2 hours will be the only contact you have with your course, in which case you have some obvious problems.


  • #53
    boblong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭boblong


    PurpleFistMixer wrote: »
    It was my hypothetical response to a person who gave the reason you suggested for not attending the protest. An alternate way of putting what I said would be, "2 hours of study will probably make little difference, while 2 hours of protesting might potentially make a large difference". Unless of course you haven't studied at all at all and those 2 hours will be the only contact you have with your course, in which case you have some obvious problems.

    Fair enough, I thought you were addressing me. Apologies.


  • #54
    blagards
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭blagards


    amacachi wrote: »
    Howso? It's protesting against the registration fee going to €3k, it's already been all but confirmed that it'll be €2.5k, so they may as well call off the protest.
    I wouldn't want to start giving any union tips because I hate them but what kinds of clowns were they to use the €3k figure?
    The point may have been made already, but they used the €3k figure, so that when it is only raised to 2.5k that they can take the credit


  • #55
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    blagards wrote: »
    The point may have been made already, but they used the €3k figure, so that when it is only raised to 2.5k that they can take the credit

    Aye, I keep naively thinking they give a crap about the student body.

    What's their plan for the next one, "€1.84 Minimum wage?" :pac:


  • #56
    aas
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    blagards wrote: »
    The point may have been made already, but they used the €3k figure, so that when it is only raised to 2.5k that they can take the credit
    Have you got a source for that? There was no mention of 3k or any hard figure on any of the t-shirts/signs/posters today, just a general opposition to an increase in registration fee. I know a lot of the literature they handed out in the past month did reference 3k, but would you not agree it's more likely that it was used to get students protesting rather than some sort of ploy to appear successful?


  • #57
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    aas wrote: »
    Have you got a source for that? There was no mention of 3k or any hard figure on any of the t-shirts/signs/posters today, just a general opposition to an increase in registration fee. I know a lot of the literature they handed out in the past month did reference 3k, but would you not agree it's more likely that it was used to get students protesting rather than some sort of ploy to appear successful?

    I've been hearing it constantly at the start of lectures for the last month. Sorry I haven't a got a print source.


  • #58
    aas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭aas


    amacachi wrote: »
    I've been hearing it constantly at the start of lectures for the last month. Sorry I haven't a got a print source.
    I mean the SU doing it to make them look good part rather than the 3k part!


  • #59
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    aas wrote: »
    I mean the SU doing it to make them look good part rather than the 3k part!

    It's a hard one to call, the adage to not attribute malice to that which can be explained by stupidity comes to mind.


  • #60
    tolosenc
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    PurpleFistMixer wrote: »
    at least some people are trying to do something about the state of the country.

    Who?

    People at the march today either failed to understand that the county has no money and that cuts therefore have to be made, or the have such a sense of self-entitlement that they conform entirely to a typical NIMBY stereotype.


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  • #61
    PurpleFistMixer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭PurpleFistMixer


    tolosenc wrote: »
    Who?

    People at the march today
    You thinking their reasons for marching are inadequate doesn't negate the fact that they tried to do something, however misplaced those efforts may or may not have been.


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