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Student Protest Kicks Off (see video only posts warning)

  • 03-11-2010 04:32PM
    #1
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Hearing stories that a second group has split off from the main march and occupied Finance and there is a sitdown protest on Kildare St. Cops have gone in on horseback and rumours of a Garda van driving into the crowd to shift them, but they sat firm.

    More as it emerges, but it looks like we have our first riot of the 'austerity' phase!


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  • #2
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #3
    PeterIanStaker
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    Anarchists, WSM, SWP, Socialist Party, SF flags can be seen. "Seems like this is no longer about education":

    - from the Twitter page http://twitter.com/UTprotest_live


  • #4
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Breaking news behind the rest of the online news sources, again

    http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/protesters-clash-with-gardai-at-department-of-finance-office-480317.html


  • #5
    Euro_Kraut
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    More as it emerges, but it looks like we have our first riot of the 'austerity' phase!

    Didn't we have a very similar one on the fringes of the 'Campaign Against Cuts' protest a few months ago. The famous Sky news 'Irish Parliament stormed by protesters' headline?


  • #6
    Lenny Lovett
    Closed Accounts Posts: 920 ✭✭✭Lenny Lovett


    Well the Gardaí have been training for it for a while now so it gives them a chance to test their skills.


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
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    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    - from the Twitter page Anarchists, WSM, SWP, Socialist Party, SF flags can be seen. "Seems like this is no longer about education"

    Can they not see they do more harm than good??? I'm beginning to think they're being planted in there by the government


    \puts on tinfoil hat


  • #8
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    Papa Smut wrote: »
    Can they not see they do more harm than good??? I'm beginning to think they're being planted in there by the government

    All these eejits do is play into the hands of the pro-govt media, just like that Harney paint thrower. Its then easier for them to write the usual "protestor = subversive" horsesh!te articles.


  • #9
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Euro_Kraut wrote: »
    Didn't we have a very similar one on the fringes of the 'Campaign Against Cuts' protest a few months ago. The famous Sky news 'Irish Parliament stormed by protesters' headline?

    From the sounds of it, this is an enirely different league.


  • #10
    [Deleted User]
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    Apparently the cops are getting violent now...


  • #11
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    This small group of idiots undermining the legitimate protest today
    http://twitter.com/GrahamButler1

    another tweet


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  • #12
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    All these eejits do is play into the hands of the pro-govt media, just like that Harney paint thrower. Its then easier for them to write the usual "protestor = subversive" horsesh!te articles.

    I get the feeling the headlines might be of the Gardaí going in well over the top. If RTE have footage of them driving a van up a street of sitdown protestors, thats what will be shown.

    From all accounts they have been brutal.


  • #13
    Lenny Lovett
    Closed Accounts Posts: 920 ✭✭✭Lenny Lovett


    Papa Smut wrote: »
    Apparently the cops are getting violent now...
    Ah shur you can't blame the Guards can you. I've been tempted to give the odd student a good hiding from time to time too...:D They'll all be talking to Joe tomorrow whingin about the cops kickin their arses.:rolleyes:


  • #14
    Irishrossoblu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭Irishrossoblu


    Papa Smut wrote: »
    Apparently the cops are getting violent now...

    Thats a shame. I hope the SF/SWP dont get roughed up. :p


  • #15
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    I get the feeling the headlines might be of the Gardaí going in well over the top. If RTE have footage of them driving a van up a street of sitdown protestors, thats what will be shown.

    From all accounts they have been brutal.

    Either/or, I suppose. Maybe a bit of both. Whatever sells copy, at the end of the day.


  • #16
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    Either/or, I suppose. Maybe a bit of both. Whatever sells copy, at the end of the day.

    Gardaí on horseback smashing up teenagers is the story here as far as I am concerned. If a fraction of the stories are true, the Garda press office will be busy for a few days


  • #17
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Wow, kinda glad I didn't go on the march in the end.... Hope no one is hurt.


  • #18
    Skrynesaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭Skrynesaver


    Expectable sadly, the guards were trained up to expect a riot for the last few months and today they were let loose.

    I was in the area on my lunch break and the number of cops about was a sight to behold.

    I even saw a muppet in a 4x4 pulled for talking on the mobile, they were so bored they were enforcing the law!!


  • #19
    Wolfe Tone
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    Im hearing reports that there were, seen as that word is banned, unsavory characters there who tried to start a riot.


  • #20
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Gardaí on horseback smashing up teenagers is the story here as far as I am concerned. If a fraction of the stories are true, the Garda press office will be busy for a few days

    The point I'm trying to make is that the Times, Indo, Sun, Star, Herald, RTE, Joe Duffy, whoever, do not care if people are killed, so long as it sells them copy and pushes up the ratings.

    And if you think thats extremely cynical - you're right.


  • #21
    Denerick
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    Try to storm the department of finance = a bloody nose.

    The little twits well deserved it too.


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  • #22
    Wolfe Tone
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    Denerick wrote: »
    Try to storm the department of finance = a bloody nose.

    The little twits well deserved it too.
    I believe they went into the lobby and stood there and wouldn't leave. Hardly storming. Are we in for round 2 of Denericks vitriol against student protesters?


  • #23
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Denerick wrote: »
    Try to storm the department of finance = a bloody nose.

    The little twits well deserved it too.

    So why are the Gardaí in riot gear baton charging the main body of the protest? Why are Gardaí on horses 'kettling' protestors?

    I agree that if you occupy a building that you are wide open for a hiding. The issue here is that a huge number of Gardaí are cracking heads of peaceful protestors.

    Do you think driving an armoured van into a sit down protest is a proportionate response?


  • #24
    Denerick
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    So why are the Gardaí in riot gear baton charging the main body of the protest?

    I agree that if you occupy a building that you are wide open for a hiding. The issue here is that a huge number of Gardaí are cracking heads of peaceful protestors.

    Do you think driving an armoured van into a sit down protest is a proportionate response?

    Nope.

    But I suspect all of us know what happened: a small core of hotheads rushed to the front and all hell broke loose. A few students lost the run of themselves, as did the Guards. C'est la vie.


  • #25
    DrumSteve
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    Fair play to them for protesting and making a stand. while i may not agree with some of what they have to say at least they are doing something.

    put it this way... who are people going to be talkign about this evening... the quiet ones or the one's who made the most noise i.e. the ones in the DOF?


  • #26
    Denerick
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I believe they went into the lobby and stood there and wouldn't leave. Hardly storming. Are we in for round 2 of Denericks vitriol against student protesters?

    OK, storming is a strong term to use. But refusing to leave after being asked to is essentially violence by any other name. If I stood in your front hallway refusing to leave, would you be within your rights to push me out your front door?


  • #27
    Denerick
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    DrumSteve wrote: »

    put it this way... who are people going to be talkign about this evening... the quiet ones or the one's who made the most noise i.e. the ones in the DOF?

    Funny enough, we talk much more about the loud Germans between 1933-1945.

    Godwins Law. Get in there.


  • #28
    DrumSteve
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    Denerick wrote: »
    Funny enough, we talk much more about the loud Germans between 1933-1945.

    Godwins Law. Get in there.

    it was only a metter of time really...

    perhaps our own Kristallnacht will be coming soon.... without all the anti-semtism obviously.


  • #29
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    Denerick wrote: »
    Nope.

    But I suspect all of us know what happened: a small core of hotheads rushed to the front and all hell broke loose. A few students lost the run of themselves, as did the Guards. C'est la vie.

    I'm afraid the rest of us aren't so blaze about a police riot.

    They have been training and training and training for these protests for years. Unluckily the students were the guinea pigs and the punchbags for the POU to try and claim back some of the credibilty they lost on O'Connell St a few years ago.

    Much easier to lay into a load of kids than a bunch of Republicans, innit...


  • #30
    Wolfe Tone
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    Denerick wrote: »
    OK, storming is a strong term to use. But refusing to leave after being asked to is essentially violence by any other name. If I stood in your front hallway refusing to leave, would you be within your rights to push me out your front door?
    No I wouldnt actually! haha


    Was the response proportionate is the question tbh.


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  • #31
    Setun
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    Denerick wrote: »
    Try to storm the department of finance = a bloody nose.

    The little twits well deserved it too.
    Ridiculous.

    Why the anti-student sentiment? Do people want a drop in the number of skilled workers in the Ireland? Do they want a higher percentage of their taxes being directed towards the student grants authority? Do they want to have to contribute more money to their children's education? What's the alternative for people leaving education after secondary school? Tradespeople are hardly required - feck all building being done. Work in the local shop? Go on the dole? Leave the country? At least there is some group keep the Irish government on their toes. If they fear large scale protests like this in anticipation of further unfair cuts, perhaps they won't make as much stupid mistakes.


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