IM 2011 Rollcall

shotgunmcos · 20-10-2010 04:21PM

Interesting question Notwitch. Obviously the main focus for a rookie like me is to build up the endurance to sit on the saddle 6 hours. However, what proportion, if any, of the mileage enters Z2+. I have zero so far in the base period. Unless I dip into Z3-4 momentarily on a climb. I am starting a 2*5mins at 80% FTP in week one of the programme and building up to 40 mins of it in sets with plenty of rest. I'd aim to be able to hold that in Z2 if I can, even if it enters Z3 for the first couple of sessions. In the build phase then I will raise the intensity for the FTP sets to 90% and start at something like 2*5mins again building up to 2*20 or so. These would all be my 1 hour post work set weekly turbo sessions. Cycling is my stronger discipline but while I have ok power over an hour my base in p!ss poor since I'm new to the sport so the challenge for me is to ride long without overdoing it or going into cardiac drift.

The turbo is interesting too. Unfotunately I will have to grow to love it as I can at most get out for long weekend rides 1-2 times a month

. I'll be asking Santa for box sets of the Matrix and other gems...

griffin100 · 22-10-2010 11:34AM

Hey Griffin100, you planning anything for next year?

Due to family stuff I cant do an IM before July / August next year so that rules out IM France, Alpe D'Huez and Roth (I was going to try and get one of the places for Roth due to be released in December).

That leaves it between the later events of Switzerland, Regensburg, Copenhagen or one of the UK ones (IMUK, IM Wales; Challenge Henley; Outlaw).

Then I saw this and I'm seriously considering it. Any event where you are advised to try and put weight on during the race; where gels are frowned upon and cornish pasties are suggested as alternatives and where if you're starting to flag they send you to the burger van is alright in my book:) Seriously though, I fancy the challenge of a Double IM. It will take some serious discussion with the wife though. I've got DCM on Monday, after which I'll train with a long distance race in mind over the winter and make a decision December / January.

I also am tempted by this one but don't really know anyone who would be interested in taking it on as a race partner.

Decisions decisions.............

shotgunmcos · 22-10-2010 11:48AM

Whoa that island hopping one looks like fun!! A marathon in a wetsuit or 10k of swimming without one.... yikes

catweazle · 22-10-2010 01:28PM

It does look like fun + the longest swim distance in the 10k is only 1650m.

Carrying the runners seem like a pain in the ass though, you will have to get swiftly acquainted with the bare feet running fad Griffin

shotgunmcos · 26-10-2010 03:12PM

My quads hurt like hell today, I can't even sit down without the support of my arms. One of my first thoughts yesterday when it was all done was how am I going to run a Marathon off a 112 mile bike??? Last week I would have thought that surely sub4 off the bike is a possibility... Now I'm not so sure

Bambaata · 26-10-2010 03:41PM

you havent done the training yet ;-) give it time and im sure the confidence will grow

griffin100 · 26-10-2010 03:45PM

I'm sorer today after Dublin marathon than I was after ironman. Don't worry about it, an IM marathon is a different beast.

tunney · 26-10-2010 03:48PM

Bambaata wrote: »

you havent done the training yet ;-) give it time and im sure the confidence will grow

Nah it won't, he's fvcked.

tunney · 26-10-2010 03:50PM

griffin100 wrote: »

I'm sorer today after Dublin marathon than I was after ironman. Don't worry about it, an IM marathon is a different beast.

I'm sorer today after going for a little riding on my bike at the weekend than I was after IM Austria. Proper preparation and peaking make all the difference to how you feel during and after the event.

You are right - an IM marathon is a different beast. very very different. Not sure if they are easier or harder - just very different.

griffin100 · 26-10-2010 06:54PM

tunney wrote: »

I'm sorer today after going for a little riding on my bike at the weekend than I was after IM Austria. Proper preparation and peaking make all the difference to how you feel during and after the event.

You are right - an IM marathon is a different beast. very very different. Not sure if they are easier or harder - just very different.

How very true, 30 weeks of somewhat targeted training 'peaked' with IM for me and I recovered fairly quickly. A few weeks of hit and miss marathon training designed to slow down the expansion of my gut and post race I feel like I may never walk properly again.

shotgunmcos · 27-10-2010 10:06AM

Based on all the reading and nuggets of advise It is suggested to build your long run up to around 2.5 - 3 hours gradually over the base period. Fink for example has the LSR starting at an hour and building from there. Considering I trotted around Dublin in Z2 for 4 hours this week, would it be wise to head back to an LSR of an hour and building or just plonk a 1.5-2 hour Z1-Z2 LSR in from the start of the programme?

hf4z6sqo7vjngi · 27-10-2010 11:37AM

shotgunmcos wrote: »

Based on all the reading and nuggets of advise It is suggested to build your long run up to around 2.5 - 3 hours gradually over the base period. Fink for example has the LSR starting at an hour and building from there. Considering I trotted around Dublin in Z2 for 4 hours this week, would it be wise to head back to an LSR of an hour and building or just plonk a 1.5-2 hour Z1-Z2 LSR in from the start of the programme?

In the process of reading Finks book (good read btw) and was thinking along the same lines for starting off the LSR's. Unfortunately IM training will start later than expected due to a grade 2 hamstring injury from DCM on Monday:(

metal dog · 27-10-2010 02:35PM

shotgunmcos wrote: »

would it be wise to head back to an LSR of an hour and building or just plonk a 1.5-2 hour Z1-Z2 LSR in from the start of the programme?

I think it probably depends on logistics than everything else. Obviously with your base from the season and then the marathon a 1.5 - 2 hour run at easy pace will be no big deal but what I found trickiest to manage for a long time was not how tough individual sets were but just how many of the bloody things there were. If you allow yourself a full rest day, you are then trying to fit maybe 9 or more sessions into 6 days. Even if they are short sets this just gets logistically very messy when other commitments are factored in. It might be easier to leave the long runs at one hour for a while if it means you are giving yourself the time to get all of your other sets in. If you have time to spare then it probably needs to go to the bike, simply because the bike demands the most time to make progress.

Ok ill shut up now.:)

shotgunmcos · 27-10-2010 08:58PM

Thats one difference I have from Finks plan. On the Monday I'll swim in the morning and take the rest of the day off. Only on the recovery weeks will I take a full rest day. Getting 9 sessions into 6 days is one thing to get accustomed to alright but thats what the base period is for too. By March 22 when I start the IM phase I'll have a solid Idea of what I can commit to. Life has a potentially big spanner to throw into the mix however so my whole plan could be turned on its head en route. Pressing the need for flexibility.

How many key sessions do you pencil in each week?

metal dog · 28-10-2010 10:28AM

shotgunmcos wrote: »

How many key sessions do you pencil in each week?

ha ha - very much on maintenance at the moment, a good week is 10 hours or so, all very easy pace apart from swimming which is the usual masters stuff. I think I am going to just keep it ticking over like this until the new year and then get a bit more structure.

during last year I suppose the key sessions for me would have been - in this order - the long bike (with a run off it), long easy run and then the harder of the three swim sessions, just because i like swimming. When it got into summer, open water swims became a key set as well.

But this was all with a get around/mid-pack time in mind so not very sophisticated.

griffin100 · 28-10-2010 03:31PM

Great news, for those of you who have missed out on places in some of the more popular IM events the WTC (who own the IM brand) have a new scheme whereby for just $1,000 you can get access to early registration to the more popular events. I'm sure it'll be sold out in days (when there will probably be a a new scheme launched where for $2,000 you get priority over the $1,000 club).

From their website:

Ironman Access: New Athlete Membership Program

WTC Introduces New Athlete Membership Program

Published Wednesday, October 27, 2010

Today World Triathlon Corporation (WTC) launches an exclusive athlete membership program called Ironman Access. In addition to other member benefits, the program will offer advance registration for Ironman events worldwide before entries open to the general public. Membership into Ironman Access is on a first-come, first-served basis and will close once it reaches capacity.

To register for Ironman Access, click here.

Advance race registration for Ironman Access members will open one week prior to the event’s general entry registration date. Athletes are required to pay the general entry fee to the selected event. Early registration for Ironman Access members for the 2011 Ironman Florida will open on Monday, Nov. 1; athletes interested in registering for this event as an Ironman Access member must join the program by 11:59 p.m. PDT on Sunday, Oct. 31, to be eligible.
Members may choose to register early for one or more of the following 2011 and 2012 Ironman races:
· 2011 Ironman Florida
· 2011 Ironman Arizona
· 2011 Ironman Cozumel
· 2011 Ironman Western Australia
· 2012 Ironman New Zealand
· 2012 Ironman South Africa
· 2012 Ironman Australia
· 2012 Ironman St. George
· 2012 Ironman Lanzarote
· 2012 Ironman Texas
· 2012 Ironman China
· 2012 Ironman Brazil
· 2012 Ironman France
· 2012 Ironman Coeur d’Alene
· 2012 Ironman Austria
· 2012 Ironman Switzerland
· 2012 Ironman European Championship
· 2012 Ironman Lake Placid
· 2012 Ironman UK
· 2012 Ironman Regensburg
· 2012 Ironman Canada
· 2012 Ironman Louisville
· 2012 Ironman Wisconsin
· 2012 Ironman Wales

*Early registration for Ironman Access members for the 2011 Ironman Florida will open on Monday, Nov. 1, but you must join the program by 11:59 p.m. PDT on Sunday, Oct. 31, to be eligible.

The annual membership fee is $1,000 USD.
Access Membership Program Benefits:
• Exclusive advance registration to Ironman events
• Two VIP passes per registered event
• One-year subscription to LAVA Magazine
• 2011 Ironman Lottery entry plus second chance in the Ironman Lottery program
• 2010 Ford Ironman World Championship NBC broadcast DVD
• 20 percent discounts on Ironman partner products at shopironman.com and on-site event retail stores
• Official membership ID card
The above benefits are valid for one year starting from activation date

tunney · 28-10-2010 03:34PM

griffin100 wrote: »

Great news, for those of you who have missed out on places in some of the more popular IM events the WTC (who own the IM brand) have a new scheme whereby for just $1,000 you can get access to early registration to the more popular events. I'm sure it'll be sold out in days (when there will probably be a a new scheme launched where for $2,000 you get priority over the $1,000 club).

From their website:
Ironman Access: New Athlete Membership Program

WTC Introduces New Athlete Membership Program

Published Wednesday, October 27, 2010

Today World Triathlon Corporation (WTC) launches an exclusive athlete membership program called Ironman Access. In addition to other member benefits, the program will offer advance registration for Ironman events worldwide before entries open to the general public. Membership into Ironman Access is on a first-come, first-served basis and will close once it reaches capacity.

To register for Ironman Access, click here.

Advance race registration for Ironman Access members will open one week prior to the event’s general entry registration date. Athletes are required to pay the general entry fee to the selected event. Early registration for Ironman Access members for the 2011 Ironman Florida will open on Monday, Nov. 1; athletes interested in registering for this event as an Ironman Access member must join the program by 11:59 p.m. PDT on Sunday, Oct. 31, to be eligible.
Members may choose to register early for one or more of the following 2011 and 2012 Ironman races:
· 2011 Ironman Florida
· 2011 Ironman Arizona
· 2011 Ironman Cozumel
· 2011 Ironman Western Australia
· 2012 Ironman New Zealand
· 2012 Ironman South Africa
· 2012 Ironman Australia
· 2012 Ironman St. George
· 2012 Ironman Lanzarote
· 2012 Ironman Texas
· 2012 Ironman China
· 2012 Ironman Brazil
· 2012 Ironman France
· 2012 Ironman Coeur d’Alene
· 2012 Ironman Austria
· 2012 Ironman Switzerland
· 2012 Ironman European Championship
· 2012 Ironman Lake Placid
· 2012 Ironman UK
· 2012 Ironman Regensburg
· 2012 Ironman Canada
· 2012 Ironman Louisville
· 2012 Ironman Wisconsin
· 2012 Ironman Wales

*Early registration for Ironman Access members for the 2011 Ironman Florida will open on Monday, Nov. 1, but you must join the program by 11:59 p.m. PDT on Sunday, Oct. 31, to be eligible.

The annual membership fee is $1,000 USD.
Access Membership Program Benefits:
• Exclusive advance registration to Ironman events
• Two VIP passes per registered event
• One-year subscription to LAVA Magazine
• 2011 Ironman Lottery entry plus second chance in the Ironman Lottery program
• 2010 Ford Ironman World Championship NBC broadcast DVD
• 20 percent discounts on Ironman partner products at shopironman.com and on-site event retail stores
• Official membership ID card
The above benefits are valid for one year starting from activation date

Won't fly in Europe. The major IMs take at last a day to sell out and we have a much bigger penetration of the Challenge series.

In NA the only way to get into an IM is to volunteer the year before.

Izoard · 28-10-2010 07:56PM

"Ironman has not received official notification from Lance Armstrong that he is racing in 2011, but we are excited about the possibility"

On the day the "Access Program" gets lambasted, the WTC shove out this PR for deflection?

Where does it end? 70.3, 5150, Access Program.....

Personally, I'd have preferred;

"Izoard has not received notification from Megan Fox that she is hanging out with me in 2011, but am excited by the possibility..."

kingQuez · 28-10-2010 08:30PM

And....... the ironman access program is no more.
http://ironman.com/mediacenter/pressreleases/ironman-access#axzz13ggMOXN2

It looks like they got slated on facebook for it too.

shan001 · 28-10-2010 08:45PM

Hi Ladies and Gentleman,

New to Boards, name down for IM Switzerland, just looking to see if there is anyone esle signed up for it.

Izoard · 28-10-2010 09:18PM

shan001 wrote: »

Hi Ladies and Gentleman,

New to Boards, name down for IM Switzerland, just looking to see if there is anyone esle signed up for it.

did it this year if any help...possibility of a revisit in 2011.

MrCreosote · 28-10-2010 10:43PM

Hey, has anybody heard the rumour about Izoard and Megan Fox?

Is it true??

griffin100 · 29-10-2010 06:50AM

http://ironman.com/mediacenter/press...#axzz13ggMOXN2

Has anyone watched this crap, WTF is the 'ironman lifestyle'?

Hey, has anybody heard the rumour about Izoard and Megan Fox?

Is it true??

Yeah, Christina Hendricks told me about their affair when she was massaging my sore legs after DCM.

Izoard · 29-10-2010 08:17AM

griffin100 wrote: »

Has anyone watched this crap, WTF is the 'ironman lifestyle'?

Yeah, Christina Hendricks told me about their affair when she was massaging my sore legs after DCM.

You have not truely embraced the IM lifestyle until every item in your home bears the IM logo.

Rumours are brewing nicely..."Lance has not confirmed for Eireman next year, but I'm excited by the possibility!":)

Anyways, maybe the WTC will take some of the flak on board.

I think the IM-thing is reaching it's peak at the moment...why they don't have more races in the larger European markets (Italy, Spain, Netherlands etc...) is surprising. As the interest tails off, they could then remove them over time.

tunney · 29-10-2010 08:36AM

Izoard wrote: »

You have not truely embraced the IM lifestyle until every item in your home bears the IM logo.

Rumours are brewing nicely..."Lance has not confirmed for Eireman next year, but I'm excited by the possibility!":)

Anyways, maybe the WTC will take some of the flak on board.

I think the IM-thing is reaching it's peak at the moment...why they don't have more races in the larger European markets (Italy, Spain, Netherlands etc...) is surprising. As the interest tails off, they could then remove them over time.

IM Access plan binned. Massive U-Turn after a total backlash from the IM community

hf4z6sqo7vjngi · 01-11-2010 12:26PM

Attempt no 2:rolleyes: for my IM training plan...critique away. I am following the Fink competitive plan and i have made some minor adjustments to suit. Whilst Monday is due to be the rest day it suits me to have one swim pencilled in as the pool opens at 6.30am.
The only other change may be extending the long runs at the weekend at the base stage from 1 hour to 1.5 hours.

mloc123 · 01-11-2010 12:34PM

Not that I know much, but a 7 week peak followed by a 2 week taper?... seems a little much

tunney · 01-11-2010 12:36PM

Izoard wrote: »

You have not truely embraced the IM lifestyle until every item in your home bears the IM logo.

Rumours are brewing nicely..."Lance has not confirmed for Eireman next year, but I'm excited by the possibility!":)

Anyways, maybe the WTC will take some of the flak on board.

I think the IM-thing is reaching it's peak at the moment...why they don't have more races in the larger European markets (Italy, Spain, Netherlands etc...) is surprising. As the interest tails off, they could then remove them over time.

Triathlon in general is at its peak, I think it hit it one-two years ago.

tunney · 01-11-2010 12:39PM

Wren Easy Brick wrote: »

Attempt no 2:rolleyes: for my IM training plan...critique away. I am following the Fink competitive plan and i have made some minor adjustments to suit. Whilst Monday is due to be the rest day it suits me to have one swim pencilled in as the pool opens at 6.30am.
The only other change may be extending the long runs at the weekend at the base stage from 1 hour to 1.5 hours.

How much time have you spent on this now?
As I've said before specific plans like this that are done months in advance are a waste of time.

The sole goal of this seems to be to increase hours trained per week.

shotgunmcos · 01-11-2010 01:04PM

tunney wrote: »

How much time have you spent on this now?
As I've said before specific plans like this that are done months in advance are a waste of time.

The sole goal of this seems to be to increase hours trained per week.

Yes it builds hours progressively but also plans with time in mind rather than distance or pace so that is more manageable. Plus its is a set pattern weekly. Will suit some people.

I agree that you cannot realistically create specific plans months in advance. I've done it and taken lifestyle into account, however it is a template for training. Adopt it with a smart degree of flexibility.

The danger with a specific 'sessions' plan is that if LIFE throws a spanner in and you have to rejig a week, that you don't stuff the weekend or play catch up etc... If you miss a planned session for some reason the hardest thing is to just let it go

Without having a coach to hand you your plan, or having the experience of completing an IM programme you need something to keep you on track!

IM 2011 Rollcall

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