The awkwardness when an Arts student talks about their "future prospects" ‎

mikemac · 30-10-2010 12:41PM

Toes wrote: »

but i'd love to go back at some stage and do arts,

http://www.open.ac.uk/cam/ireland/?KWCAMPAIGN=RAPP_ROI_-_Brand&keywordid=ggluk_open_university_Ireland_mkwid=s7YCnHUQS%7Cpcrid%7C5145999982&gclid=COLXjNzA-qQCFWf-2Aodi2-FjQ

Open University Ireland

I did a course on history in my spare time as I've an interest in that

lemansky · 30-10-2010 12:49PM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

The reason for that is mainly because information is not spoon fed to students and its mostly your own research that gets you through. Law has the same amount of hours shock horror.

So the information in science and engineering is spoon fed to students?

Jeebus · 30-10-2010 12:51PM

I made the facebook page.

It was a piss take that was made as retaliation when my friend made a group called "The awkwardness when a Computer Science student claims to have a girlfriend".

This thread can end now. It's just banter

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donkey_kong · 30-10-2010 12:52PM

In my experience the Arts student stigma is more jokes and banter than outright disdain. Of course there is little to no benefit in the real world in knowing a lot about the history of ancient Rome or the work of Shakespeare but Arts graduates are employable despite this because of the soft skills that are gained, such as critical analysis, research, (usually very) high standard of written English, self-discipline (when you're only in class for 10 or 15 hours a week it takes a lot of this to stay motivated and put in the hours of personal study necessary to get high grades). In my experience come exam time the science and commerce students are learning off lecture slides word for word while the Arts students actually have to apply their intelligence to the material they're studying in order to be ready to make an argument in an essay.

Asphyxia · 30-10-2010 01:03PM

Exactly it was just silly and turned into a big thing, I don't mind Arts students I think I would like to go back and do an Arts degree after I finish what I am doing now. It is funny though the back and forth slagging I have seen.

Vinta81 · 30-10-2010 01:07PM

It was clearly a bit of a laugh, there's one about BIS as well which I'm studying. Judging my some of the replies in here it did exactly what is was supposed to. I've mates doing Arts and they get a slagging but they can take a joke. The newest ones were; "What do get if you drive past UCC? An Arts degree." and "I lost my disabled parking sticker so I use my Arts degree".

JohnathanM · 30-10-2010 01:10PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HHvf1J_r6s

TanG411 · 30-10-2010 01:12PM

I'm studying Arts and I joined the group, as did a load of other Arts friends.

Seriously, for a three year degree, you are not going to find a decent job, that is why people will do a masters in one of their subjects, and possibly move onto teaching. Maybe even a Phd and become a lecturer.
I enjoy a good arts joke anyway.

What's the difference between an arts student and a bench?

A bench can support a family.

DeVore · 30-10-2010 01:13PM

I've hired or interviewed hundreds of people in my time. I'll tell you this, unless I'm hiring for a very specific job (engineer, programmer), then I will seriously consider anyone with a 1st in just about ANY subject.

Here is why:
1. You'll rarely use your degree again anyway. Its a dirty little secret they dont tell you but the vast vast majority of people never use anything they learned in actual lectures in college again. Half the time the curriculum is out of date by the time you hit the job market and the rest of the time you either hate it and never want to see it again or its all academic and the real world business-constrained world works completely differently.
So, the relevance of your degree is not a huge issue unless its something like Architecture where people will die if you dont do it right.

2. You're grade DOES matter. I want to work with excellent, smart, hardworking people. I want "brilliant". Getting a "first" shows that you can take a topic and master it utterly. That you arent afraid of hard work and that you can perform under pressure. Those are CRITICAL skills that I will pay above the odds for.

American colleges DO have some stupid courses alright but Irish courses are tough to excel in, regardless of what you study.

Thats your trade off if you pick arts. You get to study the subject you love (ideally) but you better show me you are brilliant while doing it.

Its all about the native ability.

DeV.

Royale with Cheese · 30-10-2010 01:16PM

I have an Arts degree. Worked a year on and off and then went back and did 2 years of computer science and I now work in software development.

Yes Arts degrees may be useless but as dev says, I won't use 95% of the stuff I did in my computer science masters either.

Also I got a first in my computer science masters and to be honest I didn't work that hard for it. Yes I worked, but I was never really under much pressure. I got a 2.2/2.1 in my arts degree, it is far more difficult to get a first in Arts than it is in computer science.

ValJester · 30-10-2010 01:18PM

I'm an Arts student.There are career prospects out there, although I would view Arts as a back-door system for a lot of people unless you want to go into Academia.

Novella · 30-10-2010 01:20PM

I joined that group, and I studied Arts in college. I thought it was funny because I did Arts when I didn't get enough points for my first choice. I hadn't envisaged that happening, so just stuck Arts down 'cause my CAO looked a bit bare. Then I ended up in a course where so many other people were in the same boat - simply not having a clue what they actually wanted or not having the points to do same.

Menengroth™ · 30-10-2010 01:21PM

ah to be fair to Arts students, they make great pets.

ValJester · 30-10-2010 01:26PM

Novella wrote: »

I joined that group, and I studied Arts in college. I thought it was funny because I did Arts when I didn't get enough points for my first choice. I hadn't envisaged that happening, so just stuck Arts down 'cause my CAO looked a bit bare. Then I ended up in a course where so many other people were in the same boat - simply not having a clue what they actually wanted or not having the points to do same.

Can Arts be used as a backdoor for your course of choice though(via conversion degrees such as the LLB )?

Novella · 30-10-2010 01:31PM

ValJester wrote: »

Can Arts be used as a backdoor for your course of choice though(via conversion degrees such as the LLB )?

No. I wanted to do Medicine!

ValJester · 30-10-2010 01:33PM

Novella wrote: »

No. I wanted to do Medicine!

You could be a neurosurgeon who does a bit of Medieval Irish Drama on the side.

Novella · 30-10-2010 01:34PM

Oh, that bit of Anthropology will always come in handy!

ooPabsoo · 30-10-2010 01:39PM

Whats the differance between an arts student and a football pitch?

The football pitch has goals

Byron85 · 30-10-2010 01:53PM

Carl Sagan had an Arts degree.

King John V · 30-10-2010 01:54PM

Novella wrote: »

No. I wanted to do Medicine!

If you have a 2:1 honours degree and competitive score in the GAMSAT you can do a 4 year graduate medical course in UCD, UCC, RCSI or UL.

Spacedog · 30-10-2010 01:59PM

I pride myself of my ignorance of History, Art, Philosophy, Literature, Geography, Music, Film, and Psychology, because they have no value to my job, and are boring and stupid.

The worst kind of arts students are the ones with years experience in a sucessful career, and go back to study their intrest in History in their spare time on evening and weekends.

recylingbin · 30-10-2010 02:05PM

If there were no ARTS, what would d4 peeps study in uni?
Gelling hair ain't certifiable.

Killer Pigeon · 30-10-2010 02:07PM

King John V wrote: »

If you have a 2:1 honours degree and competitive score in the GAMSAT you can do a 4 year graduate medical course in UCD, UCC, RCSI or UL.

No, you should've put science down and specialised in physiology, pharmacology or biochemistry and then you'd have a way better change of getting into GEM.

Killer Pigeon · 30-10-2010 02:09PM

recylingbin wrote: »

If there were no ARTS, what would d4 peeps study in uni?
Gelling hair ain't certifiable.

Their daddy could always send then to grinds in the Institute and then they could get into Law.

The Waltzing Consumer · 30-10-2010 02:12PM

Spacedog wrote: »

I pride myself of my ignorance of History, Art, Philosophy, Literature, Geography, Music, Film, and Psychology, because they have no value to my job, and are boring and stupid.

The worst kind of arts students are the ones with years experience in a sucessful career, and go back to study their intrest in History in their spare time on evening and weekends.

You're not serious are you? You are actually slagging people who pay to study a course that interests them, in their spare time.

I ask if you are serious, because it just looks so stupid, I thought it had to be a joke.

You pride yourself on your ignorance? What job do you do?

TerrorFirmer · 30-10-2010 02:16PM

Princess Peach wrote: »

Why do a course that you will almost never get a job out of?

They go and study languages and English and history, so that they can sound smart in conversations. And they will have many of these conversations with each other in the dole line

Or so they can be teachers, like myself.

The Waltzing Consumer · 30-10-2010 02:21PM

Princess Peach wrote: »

Why do a course that you will almost never get a job out of?

They go and study languages and English and history, so that they can sound smart in conversations. And they will have many of these conversations with each other in the dole line

Languages, English and history can all result in careers in teaching. Plus, if you look at jobs.ie, a huge portion of jobs are language-based.

Any arts subject can be further studied and improved. You forgot to mention that maths, digital media, computers and many other subjects are available in Arts and lead to postgraduate studies and better qualifications.

"Why do a course that you will almost never get a job out of?":rolleyes:
Why post such a silly question?

TerrorFirmer · 30-10-2010 02:22PM

Spacedog wrote: »

I pride myself of my ignorance of History, Art, Philosophy, Literature, Geography, Music, Film, and Psychology, because they have no value to my job, and are boring and stupid.

The worst kind of arts students are the ones with years experience in a sucessful career, and go back to study their intrest in History in their spare time on evening and weekends.

You sound pretty ignorant full stop.

Spacedog · 30-10-2010 02:24PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

You're not serious are you? You are actually slagging people who pay to study a course that interests them, in their spare time.

I ask if you are serious, because it just looks so stupid, I thought it had to be a joke.

You pride yourself on your ignorance? What job do you do?

Bank Manager!

The Waltzing Consumer · 30-10-2010 02:30PM

Spacedog wrote: »

Bank Manager!

Wow, and some person who studies economics, maths and languages through ARTS would have no benefit if they worked in the financial sector?

A bit of economics would have helped many bank managers too, ha.

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