The awkwardness when an Arts student talks about their "future prospects" ‎

Killer Pigeon

Over the past 48 hours a phenomena has struck the facebook community. It is a group dedicated to the following "The awkwardness when an Arts student talks about their "future prospects" " and already has 8000 members.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-awkwardness-when-an-Arts-student-talks-about-their-future-prospects/101898873214351?v=wall#!/pages/The-awkwardness-when-an-Arts-student-talks-about-their-future-prospects/101898873214351

Now I'm not affiliated at all with the creator of the group nor do I wish to promote it, I was just wondering why do other people have such a problem when it comes to people who study arts - it's like they have some superiority complex. Now I'm not studying Arts but I have no problem with Arts students at all. They are just doing what they want to do; what they're good at.

So, what is the non-Arts student's problem with Arts students? Eh?
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hmmm

It's not a superiority complex, it's superiority.

KeithM89_old

In the toilets in College, someone wrote on the bog roll, "Arts degree take as many as you want"

Gunsfortoys

Some of them are pretentious twats. That is why.

Princess Peach

Why do a course that you will almost never get a job out of?

They go and study languages and English and history, so that they can sound smart in conversations. And they will have many of these conversations with each other in the dole line

KnifeWRENCH

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I was just wondering why do other people have such a problem when it comes to people who study arts - it's like they have some superiority complex. Now I'm not studying Arts but I have no problem with Arts students at all. They are just doing what they want to do; what they're good at.

So, what is the non-Arts student's problem with Arts students? Eh?
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^ I'd agree with all that, but I still got a cheap laugh from that Facebook group. Hell, a friend of mine recently got an Arts degree and last time I saw her she was joking about her degree leading to her having to sign on while looking for a job.

I doubt any non-Arts people genuinely believe that they're superior; sure there are stereotypes for all students (Arts - wasters, Law - spoilt rich kids, Science - nerds etc.) Best thing is to laugh it off and not take any of it seriously.

o1s1n

Ah, student snobbery. Just wait until the lot of ye get out into the real world :pac:

I think the only real issue is the perception of lots of people going into it with no idea of what they want to do. Of course, that's assuming everyone who does other 'real' courses knows what they want to do.

Chuchoter

Haha their degree is largely useless!! :P

But yeah there have been SEVERAL fights about this among my friends on Facebook.

AlmightyCushion

My sister joined that group and she recently got an arts degree. Says it all really.

Killer Pigeon

KeithM89 wrote: »

In the toilets in College, someone wrote on the bog roll, "Arts degree take as many as you want"

That sort of thing is written on every toilet roll dispenser in every college in the country. At this stage I'm kinda suppressed that some business/commerce student hasn't come up with the initiative to create a new brand of toilet roll dispensers with that particular phrase pre-printed on it.

Princess Peach

The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"
The graduate with an Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"

KeithM89_old

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

That sort of thing is written on every toilet roll dispenser in every college in the country. At this stage I'm kinda suppressed that some business/commerce student hasn't come up with the initiative to create a new brand of toilet roll dispensers with that particular phrase pre-printed on it.

You should go on Dragons Den with that - youd definitely get investment

Saila

Princess Peach wrote: »

in 2010
The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"
The graduate with an Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"

Fyp.

The Agogo

I'm an Arts graduate...still working for Petrol station though.

No shame in what I studied really (it's coming in handy for 2011).

I know plenty engineers/lawyers/scientists/businessmen/blahblah who are also in similar position.

It's just a cheap laugh..

Killer Pigeon

KeithM89 wrote: »

You should go on Dragons Den with that - youd definitely get investment

Hmm you know what ... I think I will.

Asphyxia

Princess Peach wrote: »

Why do a course that you will almost never get a job out of?

They go and study languages and English and history, so that they can sound smart in conversations. And they will have many of these conversations with each other in the dole line

A friend of mine said the exact same thing to me one day and the Arts student in question agreed that she only did the degree to sound smart :rolleyes:

I have a few friends who are doing Arts degrees and they have no idea what they want to do afterwards, one of them even said they wouldn't mind going on then dole after college which quiet pathetic.

Killer Pigeon

The Agogo wrote: »

I'm an Arts graduate...still working for Petrol station though.

No shame in what I studied really (it's coming in handy for 2011).

I know plenty engineers/lawyers/scientists/businessmen/blahblah who are also in similar position.

It's just a cheap laugh..

Don't worry when the recession blows over there'll be some sort of teaching post available for you ... somewhere.

The Agogo

Saila wrote: »

Fyp.

The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Do you want dexterised potatotos with that?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "Where do you want your fries?
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How many fries can I have?"
The graduate with an Arts degree asks, "Fries are profoundly enigmatic, aren't they?"


Fixed YOUR post..

The Agogo

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Don't worry when the recession blows over there'll be some sort of teaching post available for you ... somewhere.

Well funnily enough I got a teaching post in Poland come January

XxMCRxBabyxX

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Over the past 48 hours a phenomena has struck the facebook community. It is a group dedicated to the following "The awkwardness when an Arts student talks about their "future prospects" " and already has 8000 members.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-awkwardness-when-an-Arts-student-talks-about-their-future-prospects/101898873214351?v=wall#!/pages/The-awkwardness-when-an-Arts-student-talks-about-their-future-prospects/101898873214351

Now I'm not affiliated at all with the creator of the group nor do I wish to promote it, I was just wondering why do other people have such a problem when it comes to people who study arts - it's like they have some superiority complex. Now I'm not studying Arts but I have no problem with Arts students at all. They are just doing what they want to do; what they're good at.

So, what is the non-Arts student's problem with Arts students? Eh?
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It's called old-fashioned slagging...
i slagged my friend for doing an arts degree all last year when I was doing an arts degree myself sure! Difference was that he couldn't take it and I could! I transferred now but he still gets d slagging!

beccabeccabecca

I'm an Arts student. I joined the group .

I do hate the generalisation that people doing Arts are stupid wasters living off daddy's money who have no idea what they want to do in their lives. I got 565 points in the LC. I've known I wanted to teach since I was around eight, and more specifically that I wanted to teach languages at second level since I was fourteen. Like pretty much every student out there, I procrastinate like a champion but I still put in the work to keep my grades high. And there are several others just like me...but still everyone associates Arts with dossers :rolleyes:.

I know several Commerce, Law and Science students who would fit the generalisation applied to Arts students, yet they escape ridcule because their course is "hard" and "valid". Think Arts is easy? Get back to me when you've written a two thousand word essay in French discussing naturalist fiction and its impact on literary movements or memorised the timeline of Ancient Rome from its origins to its eventual downfall.

Killer Pigeon

beccabeccabecca wrote: »

I'm an Arts student. I joined the group .

I do hate the generalisation that people doing Arts are stupid wasters living off daddy's money who have no idea what they want to do in their lives. I got 565 points in the LC. I've known I wanted to teach since I was around eight, and more specifically that I wanted to teach languages at second level since I was fourteen. Like pretty much every student out there, I procrastinate like a champion but I still put in the work to keep my grades high. And there are several others just like me...but still everyone associates Arts with dossers :rolleyes:.

I know several Commerce, Law and Science students who would fit the generalisation applied to Arts students, yet they escape ridcule because their course is "hard" and "valid". Think Arts is easy? Get back to me when you've written a two thousand word essay in French discussing naturalist fiction and its impact on literary movements or memorised the timeline of Ancient Rome from its origins to its eventual downfall.

In fairness now it doesn't take that long to write 1000 words. I have to do a couple of 1000 word lab reports every week and it doesn't take a heck of a lot of time.

bythewoods

Ah just a bit'a random banter really. Quite sure most people don't resent Arts Students...

I was going to drop out of Medicine and do English Studies at one point, we're all mates here.

Columbia

I back up what becca x3 said, I did arts but I was in no way an "arts student" in so far as the associations which go along with that. I don't drink, I worked many, many jobs to put myself through college, I got myself good grades and now I'm doing postgrad research. Once I finish this I have at least one lucrative job offer for next year, and interviewing for two more in November.

Having said all that, I joined the group too

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

In fairness now it doesn't take that long to write 1000 words. I have to do a couple of 1000 word lab reports every week and it doesn't take a heck of a lot of time.

A report is very different from an essay. I've knocked out 3,000-word reports in an afternoon before, as part of my research. When writing my thesis though, I can pain over a 100-word section for ages. Reports simply need to be typed, essays need to be written.

beccabeccabecca

Do your lab reports have to be written in another language?

Also, that's an example of one of the many assignments an Arts student could have. Not the only one they would ever have.

An average week of assignments for me would be two translations (one in Spanish, one in French), grammar worksheets for both languages, written expression assignments for both, language lab preparation and then general study. I also do Creative Writing (BA Connect), so I'll normally have two assignments per week from that.

I'm not trying to say "OMG Arts is sooooooooo much more difficult than anything!", but it does have a decent work load.

Ghost Estate

Saila wrote: »

Fyp.

Pfft. most of them don't even have fries to give

ldxo15wus6fpgm

beccabeccabecca wrote: »

I know several Commerce, Law and Science students who would fit the generalisation applied to Arts students, yet they escape ridcule because their course is "hard" and "valid". Think Arts is easy? Get back to me when you've written a two thousand word essay in French discussing naturalist fiction and its impact on literary movements or memorised the timeline of Ancient Rome from its origins to its eventual downfall.

>Comparing Law/Science to Arts.

I'm in first year law and already have 10,000 words to hand in in 3 weeks time, that's 10,000 words where there's not many hard facts to look at and you have to think rather than regurgitate. That's going to be about 20% of the work I have to do, for this semester alone. The workload gets heavier after Christmas for semester 2. I know a good few science students in practically the same boat.

Don't know any arts students that are under any particular pressure, bar the odd maths/celtic civ. test/assignment. And I have friends in 1st/2nd year, in more than one uni!

Not saying my course is the hardest or anything, but arts is certainly a little easier than lots of other courses.

Ghost Estate

After the budget

The graduate with a Science degree asks, "How do we prove fries even existed?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How do we make fries out of nothing?"
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "When will we be able to afford fries again?"
The graduate with an Arts degree asks, "What are these fries things you speak of?"

beccabeccabecca

Dante Tender Sprite wrote: »

I'm in first year law and already have 10,000 words to hand in in 3 weeks time, that's 10,000 words where there's not many hard facts to look at and you have to think rather than regurgitate.QUOTE]

Getting the impression here that you think Arts students can just regurgiate stuff rather than think about assignments? Yup, you can...and fail for your troubles. If you want a good grade, you're going to have to put the work in no matter what course you do.

I can't speak for other Arts subjects, but all I know is that for my two subjects I have written work or reading to get through every night with at least one big assignment every two weeks. There are students in my class who don't do any of the assigned homework because it's not taken up, and hand in half of the big assignments, then go around bragging about how little work they have. They're also the ones barely clinging to the forty percent pass mark.

Ghost Estate

arts students smoke weed and shag lesbians for 3 years and for their final year they hand up an essay about how doing so changed their life and they get the degree.

smk89

Ghost Estate wrote: »

arts students smoke weed and shag lesbians for 3 years and for their final year they hand up an essay about how doing so changed their life and they get the degree.

Lies make the baby jesus cry

Mardy Bum

I think most of the slagging comes from the huge diversity of subjects in Arts. Celtic Civ, Archaeology etc subjects like that do not really command a great deal of respect from the masses for whatever reason.

Try doing economics for 3 years in an Arts degree and see how 'dossy' it is.

curlzy

I have a BA, but I did it at night while working full time, what does that mean? Like I already had a job but then I got an Arts degree, by rights should I give up my job to join the dole queue?:D You know, just so you'd feel comfortable slagging me off? : )

policarp

Arse students are queer.
So are arts students...
B.A.

Riamfada

Sure the government pays for it all anyways.

pretty*monster

There's a recession on, the Law and Architecture grads are unemployable as well.
I can see how they might resent the fact that I spent three years idly reading interesting books, drinking to excess, and generally ****ing around only to graduate and find that, yeah, actually sounding clever does help you get ahead.

neaideabh

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

In fairness now it doesn't take that long to write 1000 words. I have to do a couple of 1000 word lab reports every week and it doesn't take a heck of a lot of time.

and Mr Gates gave us useful tools such as "cut and paste"!

neaideabh

Ghost Estate wrote: »

After the budget

The graduate with a Science degree asks, "How do we prove fries even existed?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How do we make fries out of nothing?"
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "When will we be able to afford fries again?"
The graduate with an Arts degree asks, "What are these fries things you speak of?"

The graduate with a Science degree asks, "How do we derive fries from potatoes?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How do we make fries more tensile?"
The graduate with an Accounting.......

Hold on, it's not funny anymore!

kumate_champ07

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

In fairness now it doesn't take that long to write 1000 words. I have to do a couple of 1000 word lab reports every week and it doesn't take a heck of a lot of time.

lab reports are easy, and I presume you do them in english not french?

kumate_champ07

youre supposed to go to Art college to become a better artist, the degree doesnt actually matter unless you want to get a good teaching job.

St._Andalou

Subjects such as economics, English, foreign languages, mathematics, politics and geography are clearly of no use in the modern world.

:rolleyes:

St._Andalou

Funnily enough, the average starting graduate salary for philosophy and languages in 2011 is higher than law. The starting salary for English graduates is just a little bit less than those who studied architecture and history graduates start their jobs on a higher wage than those who studied pharmacy.

This makes interesting reading.

Who knew?

ya-ba-da-ba-doo

beccabeccabecca wrote: »

Do your lab reports have to be written in another language?

Also, that's an example of one of the many assignments an Arts student could have. Not the only one they would ever have.

An average week of assignments for me would be two translations (one in Spanish, one in French), grammar worksheets for both languages, written expression assignments for both, language lab preparation and then general study. I also do Creative Writing (BA Connect), so I'll normally have two assignments per week from that.

I'm not trying to say "OMG Arts is sooooooooo much more difficult than anything!", but it does have a decent work load.

You're studying a language! Stop complaining about having to write in that language!!

Memnoch

I should pretend to be surprised at how narrow minded and judgemental people are, but I can't be bothered so...

Did not do an arts degree though I have nothing but respect for those brave enough to follow their passion and nothing but disdain for those who mock them for it.

evercloserunion

St._Andalou wrote: »

Funnily enough, the average starting graduate salary for philosophy and languages in 2011 is higher than law. The starting salary for English graduates is just a little bit less than those who studied architecture and history graduates start their jobs on a higher wage than those who studied pharmacy.

This makes interesting reading.

Who knew?

I don't see why this should come as a big surprise, many professions tend to have lesser rewards at the start but greater rewards later on. Law is one of these I think. The average starting salary is probably brought down by high unemployment and a lot of people (especially barristers) making SFA in the first few years of practice.

The big mistake people make is in assuming that arts students can't find jobs. In fact they have a lot of choice if they are willing to put themselves out there. A lot of them go into business or do a conversion course into one of the professions. I'd say a lot of people who are currently looking down on arts students here will probably end up working for one some day.

pretty*monster

evercloserunion wrote: »

I'd say a lot of people who are currently looking down on arts students here will probably end up working for one some day.

Agreed. Both my manager and the director of my unit have BAs. Unless you're entering the professions or a specialised field the subject of your degree is largely irrelevant. Employers mostly want to know if you're intelligent enough to get a degree and what your previous work experience is.

Black Swan

Thought at first the "future prospects" thread title was going to be about whom some painter or photographer was to have in the buff posing for them. Now that would have been fun to chat about!

Handsome Bob

Nowt like a recession to bring out the arrogance in people.

mfceiling

beccabeccabecca wrote: »

I'm an Arts student. I joined the group .

I do hate the generalisation that people doing Arts are stupid wasters living off daddy's money who have no idea what they want to do in their lives. I got 565 points in the LC. I've known I wanted to teach since I was around eight, and more specifically that I wanted to teach languages at second level since I was fourteen. Like pretty much every student out there, I procrastinate like a champion but I still put in the work to keep my grades high. And there are several others just like me...but still everyone associates Arts with dossers :rolleyes:.

I know several Commerce, Law and Science students who would fit the generalisation applied to Arts students, yet they escape ridcule because their course is "hard" and "valid". Think Arts is easy? Get back to me when you've written a two thousand word essay in French discussing naturalist fiction and its impact on literary movements or memorised the timeline of Ancient Rome from its origins to its eventual downfall.

Wouldn't be arsed tbh..........relevance of said essays in real world.......none

Ostrom

Princess Peach wrote: »

Why do a course that you will almost never get a job out of?

They go and study languages and English and history, so that they can sound smart in conversations. And they will have many of these conversations with each other in the dole line

I quit civil engineering a few years back to do arts, may as well have wiped my arse with the engineering degree. And now i have a job. As do all my friends who graduated with me. Hmm.....