Headshops

Augmerson · 27-10-2010 06:30PM

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Shur there's still legal highs goin around, Joe, there's this stuff called Seratonin, ye produce it in yer own head Joe, so we have headshops in our own heads. Suffering Jerusalem, Joe.

LOL

FlutterinBantam · 27-10-2010 06:46PM

Aaah great news for the auld taxpayer these kips were closed.

What had you got.

**** who never payed a cent tax in their lives using them.

jerks who saw a chance to make a quick buck and who didn't give a fuck who they screwed up,running them.

And they all end up as wrecks 10 years later in Hospitals expecting the taxpayer to bail them out.

You ****ers must think John Q is some kind of ree eh??

ScumLord · 27-10-2010 07:04PM

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Yeah there gone, only in Ireland...

And just about every other country in the world. Legal highs weren't unique to Ireland, what started it all off and was fairly unique to Ireland was the fact you could get real mushroom drugs in the headshops. Once they stopped selling mushrooms I lost interest in them. Bring back shrooooms!

Pace2008 · 27-10-2010 07:29PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Aaah great news for the auld taxpayer these kips were closed.

What had you got.

**** who never payed a cent tax in their lives using them.

jerks who saw a chance to make a quick buck and who didn't give a fuck who they screwed up,running them.

And they all end up as wrecks 10 years later in Hospitals expecting the taxpayer to bail them out.

You ****ers must think John Q is some kind of ree eh??

I'm not sure whom you're even addressing, since you're the first person since the OP to mention head shops.

FlutterinBantam · 27-10-2010 09:46PM

Pace2008 wrote: »

I'm not sure whom you're even addressing, since you're the first person since the OP to mention head shops.

Just registering my opinion out there in cyberspace.

Good riddance that these earners for chavvish shave-headed goons got stunted, and the equally gormless goons who used them.

Should save John Q taxpayer a good wedge of tax money.

Augmerson · 28-10-2010 09:29PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Just registering my opinion out there in cyberspace.

Good riddance that these earners for chavvish shave-headed goons got stunted, and the equally gormless goons who used them.

Should save John Q taxpayer a good wedge of tax money.

There existed the potential to make a huge amount of money in taxes had the present shower in government not been busy pandering and trying to appease the right in this country. The media also had a hand in spouting bull****, and so those who tut and scowl from concealed positions behind sitting room curtains who are the self-proclaimed moral defenders of our country got onto Joeeeeeeeeeeeee Duffy and SOMETHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT. Cogs rolled. Pistons stirred into life. The government took action.

It's a pity these people couldn't keep up the momentum and maybe perhaps queried the government on it's role in bankrupting the country for the next 3 generations.

I don't think shutting down the headshops saved anthing in this country, certainly not money. The headshops did huge business. Properly regulated, we could have made millions in tax. Remember, you can't tax or regulate illegal drugs.

The headshops are now closed, but criminal gangs are now in the midst of a resurgence of power. At one point they were so desperate they attacked headshops, sitting them on fire.

Patricide · 28-10-2010 09:42PM

Augmerson wrote: »

There existed the potential to make a huge amount of money in taxes had the present shower in government not been busy pandering and trying to appease the right in this country. The media also had a hand in spouting bull****, and so those who tut and scowl from concealed positions behind sitting room curtains who are the self-proclaimed moral defenders of our country got onto Joeeeeeeeeeeeee Duffy and SOMETHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT. Cogs rolled. Pistons stirred into life. The government took action.

It's a pity these people couldn't keep up the momentum and maybe perhaps queried the government on it's role in bankrupting the country for the next 3 generations.

I don't think shutting down the headshops saved anthing in this country, certainly not money. The headshops did huge business. Properly regulated, we could have made millions in tax. Remember, you can't tax or regulate illegal drugs.

The headshops are now closed, but criminal gangs are now in the midst of a resurgence of power. At one point they were so desperate they attacked headshops, sitting them on fire.

Nail on the head...but of course people will never see it this way.

FlutterinBantam · 29-10-2010 08:26AM

Patricide wrote: »

Nail on the head...but of course people will never see it this way.

Sure they won't , they have sense.

Sure why believe highly qualified people, and parents and anyone with responsibility that these places were doing untold harm.

When little Johnny and Jonette stumbles in at 5am with the eyes in the back of their heads and totally stoned,people won't see it that way for sure.

No use going down to the local shave-head in the 'headshop' he or she won't give a fcuk,once the stuff is paid for.

Cop yourselves on.

Nodin · 29-10-2010 08:34AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Sure they won't , they have sense.

Sure why believe highly qualified people, and parents and anyone with responsibility that these places were doing untold harm.

When little Johnny and Jonette stumbles in at 5am with the eyes in the back of their heads and totally stoned,people won't see it that way for sure.

No use going down to the local shave-head in the 'headshop' he or she won't give a fcuk,once the stuff is paid for.

Cop yourselves on.

More generalised ****.

Patricide · 29-10-2010 09:01AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Sure they won't , they have sense.

Sure why believe highly qualified people, and parents and anyone with responsibility that these places were doing untold harm.

When little Johnny and Jonette stumbles in at 5am with the eyes in the back of their heads and totally stoned,people won't see it that way for sure.

No use going down to the local shave-head in the 'headshop' he or she won't give a fcuk,once the stuff is paid for.

Cop yourselves on.

Because parents usually dont have a clue what there kids are actually up to. Id say this holds up about 90% of the time. Because these reports are usually sensationalized and only one side of the story comes out.

When johnny comes in 5 in the morning eyes rolling in his head drunk its ok though right? I mean its cool, no problem alcohols legal even though many reports find it to be more dangerous than a lot of other drugs but you know...why should we trust highly qualified people.

Why do you think that everyone who works at these head shops are "shave heads"? I mean this would pretty much point out to me that your the one who would have no sense. A lot of these places were run by normal people who were very strict on the law, sure there were gaps there where dodgey people ran them but this was in the minority. This also happens in pubs, supermarkets and hell even doctors offices.

Now I didnt smoke or snort or whatever any of the crap from the headshops myself(with the exception of smoke(its a herbal weed substitute) ages ago) but come on really its time to stop burying our head in the sand on the drug issue.

Drugs like weed will always be out there, there too easy to grow and they make too much profit. The worlds attitude toward a lot of drugs are changing with every new scientific paper that comes out. In fact in relation to weed, turns out a lot of it was actually blatant propaganda(yes i know not all of it was, i said a lot).

Look at countries like portugal as a case study, they have decriminalized ALL drugs, including heroin. What happened? Drug use rates WENT DOWN.

Another case study, the netherlands. They legalized weed, did drug rates go up? No in fact the opposite. Drug rates there are among the LOWEST in europe.

Also take California who this month will vote to legalize cannabis. Recent polls show that the law will pass and the state will stand to make billions from it in taxation. Even if that bill doesnt go through, it was from the start of this month decriminalized. I know the tax figures over here would be significantly less but it beats getting zero. I mean im sure they get a fair few bob from alcohol and cigarettes, why not highs too?

Bottom line, the drugs are out there and will get sold anyway. Might as well make some tax on them. I am for headshops although only with proper regulation on the premises, the staff, and the products, in a similar system like the netherlands.

Heres some further reading for you, as you trust the experts you know:
http://newsflavor.com/world/europe/scientific-research-proves-alcohol-and-cigarettes-more-dangerous-than-cannabis-lsd-or-ecstasy/

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL5730185

Could find more but id wager you will disregard all of my points before you even read them.

ScumLord · 29-10-2010 02:08PM

I don't think the headshops would have been workable in the long run. While I think everybody over a certain age should have the right to try drugs the street corner shop approach wasn't really the best and they weren't really doing anything to help the reputation of drugs and drug users.

There are real dangers associated with drug use and we do need to be responsible in how people buy and use them. The open ended heapshop approach was always going to be shut down as it was a profit making business. Profit and any drug legal, recreational or medical is always bad.

I do think drugs can be used by people safely but I don't think the governments approach should be one of providing jobs or generating taxes because this is people bodies we're talking about. The financial benefit is obvious as it is with any business.

Tom Cruises Left Nut · 29-10-2010 02:12PM

There are some still open, one down the road from me in fact

FlutterinBantam · 30-10-2010 07:40AM

Nodin wrote: »

More generalised ****.

Little more constructive than your reply though.

FlutterinBantam · 30-10-2010 07:53AM

Patricide wrote: »

Because parents usually dont have a clue what there kids are actually up to. Id say this holds up about 90% of the time. Because these reports are usually sensationalized and only one side of the story comes out.

If that tenet is true ,you live in a different world to me

Patricide wrote: »

When johnny comes in 5 in the morning eyes rolling in his head drunk its ok though right? I mean its cool, no problem alcohols legal even though many reports find it to be more dangerous than a lot of other drugs but you know...why should we trust highly qualified people.

Don't put words in my mouth please.

Patricide wrote: »

Why do you think that everyone who works at these head shops are "shave heads"? I mean this would pretty much point out to me that your the one who would have no sense. A lot of these places were run by normal people who were very strict on the law, sure there were gaps there where dodgey people ran them but this was in the minority. This also happens in pubs, supermarkets and hell even doctors offices.

I had occasion to visit these kips and 100%, I came across no-one I considered normal, just opportunists out to make a killing at young peoples expense and fcuk them when they end up in hospital wards.

Pubs operate under license.

Patricide wrote: »

Now I didnt smoke or snort or whatever any of the crap from the headshops myself(with the exception of smoke(its a herbal weed substitute) ages ago) but come on really its time to stop burying our head in the sand on the drug issue.

Drugs like weed will always be out there, there too easy to grow and they make too much profit. The worlds attitude toward a lot of drugs are changing with every new scientific paper that comes out. In fact in relation to weed, turns out a lot of it was actually blatant propaganda(yes i know not all of it was, i said a lot).

Look at countries like portugal as a case study, they have decriminalized ALL drugs, including heroin. What happened? Drug use rates WENT DOWN.

Another case study, the netherlands. They legalized weed, did drug rates go up? No in fact the opposite. Drug rates there are among the LOWEST in europe.

Also take California who this month will vote to legalize cannabis. Recent polls show that the law will pass and the state will stand to make billions from it in taxation. Even if that bill doesnt go through, it was from the start of this month decriminalized. I know the tax figures over here would be significantly less but it beats getting zero. I mean im sure they get a fair few bob from alcohol and cigarettes, why not highs too?

Bottom line, the drugs are out there and will get sold anyway. Might as well make some tax on them. I am for headshops although only with proper regulation on the premises, the staff, and the products, in a similar system like the netherlands.

Heres some further reading for you, as you trust the experts you know:
http://newsflavor.com/world/europe/scientific-research-proves-alcohol-and-cigarettes-more-dangerous-than-cannabis-lsd-or-ecstasy/

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL5730185

Could find more but id wager you will disregard all of my points before you even read them.

Excellent reading
Now here's a bit of reading for you.

Yakult · 30-10-2010 08:32AM

The quicker cannibas becomes legal the better.

70 years of prohibition and nothing to show for it. Complete opposite actually, the number of people smoking it has risen very highly.

Why so much crime linked with it? Because its so easy to grow and very profitable. Once again, tells of the high numbers of users.

If anything, Governments are the one to blame. Their blind eye and prohibition of this pretty harmless drug has led to alot of tax payers money being spent to try and stop it, which has failed hugely. Theirs huge profit to be made just like in alcohol and tobacco.

How many deaths have been cause by Cannibas? None.
Is it only scumbags who smoke cannibas? Hell no, I know teachers, cops, shop owners, mothers who all smoke it. Does that make them bad people if society knew? Yes because its an illegal drug.

If someone gets drunk, fights and causes distruction on a night out, "Sure its only drink blah blah blah..."

If someone gets high in their own house, watches tv and relax, they are criminals...

People have a backwards view on the drug, and think just because its a "drug" its automatically bad. yes the crime part is crap and tbh really wish it wasnt asscociated with a feel good plant thats meant to bring some form of happyness. But its no ones fault but the law.

flash1080 · 30-10-2010 08:45AM

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think the headshops would have been workable in the long run. While I think everybody over a certain age should have the right to try drugs the street corner shop approach wasn't really the best and they weren't really doing anything to help the reputation of drugs and drug users.

There are real dangers associated with drug use and we do need to be responsible in how people buy and use them. The open ended heapshop approach was always going to be shut down as it was a profit making business. Profit and any drug legal, recreational or medical is always bad.

I do think drugs can be used by people safely but I don't think the governments approach should be one of providing jobs or generating taxes because this is people bodies we're talking about. The financial benefit is obvious as it is with any business.

WTF are you on about, nobody said that profit and medicinal drugs are bad.

R_H_C_P wrote: »

Does that make them bad people if society knew? Yes because its an illegal drug.

Are they bad people if they support organised crime so they can use a luxury product?

FlutterinBantam · 30-10-2010 09:06AM

R_H_C_P wrote: »

The quicker cannibas becomes legal the better.

70 years of prohibition and nothing to show for it. Complete opposite actually, the number of people smoking it has risen very highly...................

.

Not according to these people

Nodin · 30-10-2010 11:10AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Little more constructive than your reply though.

No, thats why it can be summed up as "generalised ****".

FlutterinBantam · 30-10-2010 11:47AM

Nodin wrote: »

No, thats why it can be summed up as "generalised ****".

When you have something constructive to post and a point to make I may engage.

So far I have seen neither.

Patricide · 30-10-2010 01:21PM

Yes it is true, and I live in the real world, well to be fair this will vary between different groups of people but I have yet to meet someone around the ages of 15-18 who hasnt at least tried a drug, or at least has friends who take drugs.

Ok so, I wont put words in your mouth. Now can you answer the question I give you. If a kid comes in at 5 in the morning hammered out of his skull with his eyes rolling after drinking, is it your opinion that drink should also be made illegal? If the answer to this question is no? Why not, is the reasoning not the same because its legal already or what?

As for the headshops you visited, where exactly do you live that they can be so bad? Ive been into a lot of the shops in dublin cork and limerick when they were open(I had a lot of friends who loved the legal cannabis alternatives when there was nothing else around). Sure there was one or two dodgey ones, but in general they were all pretty good for checking for I.D. Still like I said, regulation is the key and they should be made licensed premises. Would that negate your views of these shops then?

As for your lovely article. Correct me if im wrong but it says that 5 people were admited to the hospital for headshop induced paranoia and confusion.

Wow. Those facts and figures arent exactly scary, considering that alcohol figures GROSSLY outweigh them. Hell id imagine people falling on a night out would outweigh them. Again this doesnt make either going out nor buying alcohol illegal. The article is also in favor of keeping the shops legal, albeit with government regulation.

Also it would appear RHCP was right, cannabis users are on the increase in Ireland:

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=14759

ScumLord · 30-10-2010 01:22PM

flash1080 wrote: »

WTF are you on about, nobody said that profit and medicinal drugs are bad.

I did, right there in that post you quoted.

Augmerson · 30-10-2010 07:34PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Not according to these people

Exactly which article on the website are you referring to in answer to RHCP's post?

Shulgin · 30-10-2010 08:09PM

flash1080 wrote: »

Are they bad people if they support organised crime so they can use a luxury product?

If cannabis was legalised or at least decriminalised they would have the option to grown their own without fear of being locked up. No criminals involved. Hell, even buy some down the cannabis shop.

The laws regarding cannabis are wrong, plain and simple.

flash1080 · 30-10-2010 08:22PM

Shulgin wrote: »

If cannabis was legalised or at least decriminalised they would have the option to grown their own without fear of being locked up. No criminals involved. Hell, even buy some down the cannabis shop.

The laws regarding cannabis are wrong, plain and simple.

So they're not bad people if they support organised crime so they can use a luxury product?

mikom · 30-10-2010 08:54PM

flash1080 wrote: »

So they're not bad people if they support organised crime so they can use a luxury product?

Lots of bad people in 1920's america so.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiYqFXmVAFg

We have learned nothing it seems.

flash1080 · 30-10-2010 08:59PM

mikom wrote: »

Lots of bad people in 1920's america so.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiYqFXmVAFg

We have learned nothing it seems.

It does seem like people have learned nothing if their approach to their problem is to support organised crime.

Augmerson · 30-10-2010 09:01PM

flash1080 wrote: »

So they're not bad people if they support organised crime so they can use a luxury product?

A surprising amount of people are now growing their own weed and having nothing to do with getting a bit of dope with plastic in it anymore. If nobody is harmed, it's done in your own home behind closed doors amongst adults who have made a conscious choice, what's the harm then? I say decriminalisation would be the way to go.

Shulgin · 30-10-2010 09:12PM

flash1080 wrote: »

So they're not bad people if they support organised crime so they can use a luxury product?

Are they bad people if they grow their own? The law says you are a criminal, but are they really 'bad'?

But the reality is, most people can't grow their own, or are too afraid of the consequences, So off they go to their dealer instead. Does this make them bad people?

I'm sure if they could go to the shop and buy it there, most would . And pay tax too.

Are you against people growing their own for personal use?
Are they bad people for breaking the law, or bad because they grow and use cannabis?

ScumLord · 30-10-2010 09:14PM

flash1080 wrote: »

So they're not bad people if they support organised crime so they can use a luxury product?

You can't blame the end user for the way government force the trade to work. I don't blame you for child or slave labour your supporting in places like China.

CiaranC · 30-10-2010 09:16PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

When you have something constructive to post and a point to make I may engage.

So far I have seen neither.

This lame troll persona you do on here is pathetic. Do you think it impresses people? Heres a tip, its not impressive or funny or original, its cringeworthy.

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