Headshops

sesna

Are they all closed down now since the introduction of the new legislation last Summer ?

Carl Sagan

No.

W.Shakes-Beer

Not headshops again.

Teutorix

welcome to 2010

Walsh

I'd like some head.

FreudianSlippers

dey took ar drugs!

FunkZ

NOT AGAIN ARGHHH!

Run_to_da_hills

The drug dealers have taken over again and the real drugs are back.

starbelgrade

All we're missing tonight is a religion thread.

Pace2008

MDMA came back and everyone forgot about them. Mephedrone's still floating about, though.

orourkeda

Are headbutt shops illegal.

Teutorix

starbelgrade wrote: »

All we're missing tonight is a religion thread.

The david norris one half qualifies as that

fonecrusher1

please no, not another headshop thread please no no no. No please no. Please no no no no no. Please.



please




please no

FreudianSlippers

starbelgrade wrote: »

All we're missing tonight is a religion thread.

I'm gonna start one.!

northern lights

Sure they may have closed down a fair percentage of them but does anyone stop to think where their left over stock went? Me thinks straight onto the streets because as a nurse in a detox unit I'd def say we're having to pick up the pieces unfortunately :-(

orourkeda

northern lights wrote: »

Sure they may have closed down a fair percentage of them but does anyone stop to think where their left over stock went? Me thinks straight onto the streets because as a nurse in a detox unit I'd def say we're having to pick up the pieces unfortunately :-(

The very idea that closing headshops was going to eliminate or alleviate drug consumption in any way is clearly absurd.

Quite clearly the left over stock was passed on to someone who could shift it and will be sold through the usual channels.

fonecrusher1

Pretty much every single argument that follows in this thread will have been covered in all the other Headshop threads.

I say we hijack this sucker. Pick one of the these topics...

- do you contribute many threads to boards or are you more of a lurker
- Robocop
- sandwiches
- women on tv you fancy but your ashamed to admit you fancy them.

FreudianSlippers

Contribute? No. Postwhore and rile people up? Yeahuh.
Robocop, metal penis?
Sandwiches, everything is better when it's a sandwich.
Diana Agron.

mikom

northern lights wrote: »

because as a nurse in a detox unit

*looks at username*

"Nurse, wheres my medication?"

fonecrusher1

sesna wrote: »

Agreed it has been done to death, was just wondering the current status if there are still a few around at the moment. Any thread I looked at was a few months out of date. Was not looking for a wider debate on the issue.

Anyway, it was answered in post 2 with a simple "no", and I'm now unsubscribing from yet another garbage thread I'm responsible for

Hey no offence meant.

frank reynolds

reading this thread gives me an overwhelming urge to troll it. troll it right out of the water!!!

flyton5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_yDWQsrajA

ricero

lets get whacked on king b boys yeowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

ebixa82

Good thing about headshops closing:

You could buy mephedrone for cheaper on the streets as the dealers clearly just bought up the stock from the shops with much fewer overheads..
It's ok buying mephedrone when you know that's what it is and what to expect,

but bad thing...

Dealers being dealers eventually started mixing the mephedrone into MDMA and other powdered forms and trying to flog them off as such to maximise profits selling substandard crap...what a surprise!

So no surprise we are stills seeing the effects of head shop stuff in hospitals as stated by Northern lights etc.

bonzodog2

Clayton Plump Bayonet wrote: »

The one down the road from me is a grow shop now, for tomatoes and the likes.

Oh those tomatoes ...

Biggins

starbelgrade wrote: »

All we're missing tonight is a religion thread.

Someone start one quick about the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

danniemcq

Biggins wrote: »

Someone start one quick about the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

rastamorman FTW!

get stoned 24/7 and multiple wives and even if they do nag you won't care!

FreudianSlippers

Biggins wrote: »

Someone start one quick about the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

Now, now... let's not get controversial!!

Gerry Asstrix

Yeah there gone, only in Ireland could drugs be sold legally that are more dangerous to your health physically and mentally then actual cocaine, hash or E

But thank god there being sold now by good auld fashioned drug dealers and can be bought alsongside your standard bag of gear at a street corner near you

PeterIanStaker

Shur there's still legal highs goin around, Joe, there's this stuff called Seratonin, ye produce it in yer own head Joe, so we have headshops in our own heads. Suffering Jerusalem, Joe.

Ruu_Old

I burned them all down.

Augmerson

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Shur there's still legal highs goin around, Joe, there's this stuff called Seratonin, ye produce it in yer own head Joe, so we have headshops in our own heads. Suffering Jerusalem, Joe.

LOL

FlutterinBantam

Aaah great news for the auld taxpayer these kips were closed.

What had you got.

**** who never payed a cent tax in their lives using them.

jerks who saw a chance to make a quick buck and who didn't give a fuck who they screwed up,running them.


And they all end up as wrecks 10 years later in Hospitals expecting the taxpayer to bail them out.

You ****ers must think John Q is some kind of ree eh??

ScumLord

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Yeah there gone, only in Ireland...

And just about every other country in the world. Legal highs weren't unique to Ireland, what started it all off and was fairly unique to Ireland was the fact you could get real mushroom drugs in the headshops. Once they stopped selling mushrooms I lost interest in them. Bring back shrooooms!

Pace2008

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Aaah great news for the auld taxpayer these kips were closed.

What had you got.

**** who never payed a cent tax in their lives using them.

jerks who saw a chance to make a quick buck and who didn't give a fuck who they screwed up,running them.


And they all end up as wrecks 10 years later in Hospitals expecting the taxpayer to bail them out.

You ****ers must think John Q is some kind of ree eh??

I'm not sure whom you're even addressing, since you're the first person since the OP to mention head shops.

FlutterinBantam

Pace2008 wrote: »

I'm not sure whom you're even addressing, since you're the first person since the OP to mention head shops.

Just registering my opinion out there in cyberspace.

Good riddance that these earners for chavvish shave-headed goons got stunted, and the equally gormless goons who used them.

Should save John Q taxpayer a good wedge of tax money.

Augmerson

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Just registering my opinion out there in cyberspace.

Good riddance that these earners for chavvish shave-headed goons got stunted, and the equally gormless goons who used them.

Should save John Q taxpayer a good wedge of tax money.

There existed the potential to make a huge amount of money in taxes had the present shower in government not been busy pandering and trying to appease the right in this country. The media also had a hand in spouting bull****, and so those who tut and scowl from concealed positions behind sitting room curtains who are the self-proclaimed moral defenders of our country got onto Joeeeeeeeeeeeee Duffy and SOMETHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT. Cogs rolled. Pistons stirred into life. The government took action.

It's a pity these people couldn't keep up the momentum and maybe perhaps queried the government on it's role in bankrupting the country for the next 3 generations.

I don't think shutting down the headshops saved anthing in this country, certainly not money. The headshops did huge business. Properly regulated, we could have made millions in tax. Remember, you can't tax or regulate illegal drugs.

The headshops are now closed, but criminal gangs are now in the midst of a resurgence of power. At one point they were so desperate they attacked headshops, sitting them on fire.

Patricide

Augmerson wrote: »

There existed the potential to make a huge amount of money in taxes had the present shower in government not been busy pandering and trying to appease the right in this country. The media also had a hand in spouting bull****, and so those who tut and scowl from concealed positions behind sitting room curtains who are the self-proclaimed moral defenders of our country got onto Joeeeeeeeeeeeee Duffy and SOMETHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT. Cogs rolled. Pistons stirred into life. The government took action.

It's a pity these people couldn't keep up the momentum and maybe perhaps queried the government on it's role in bankrupting the country for the next 3 generations.

I don't think shutting down the headshops saved anthing in this country, certainly not money. The headshops did huge business. Properly regulated, we could have made millions in tax. Remember, you can't tax or regulate illegal drugs.

The headshops are now closed, but criminal gangs are now in the midst of a resurgence of power. At one point they were so desperate they attacked headshops, sitting them on fire.

Nail on the head...but of course people will never see it this way.

FlutterinBantam

Patricide wrote: »

Nail on the head...but of course people will never see it this way.

Sure they won't , they have sense.

Sure why believe highly qualified people, and parents and anyone with responsibility that these places were doing untold harm.

When little Johnny and Jonette stumbles in at 5am with the eyes in the back of their heads and totally stoned,people won't see it that way for sure.

No use going down to the local shave-head in the 'headshop' he or she won't give a fcuk,once the stuff is paid for.

Cop yourselves on.

Nodin

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Sure they won't , they have sense.

Sure why believe highly qualified people, and parents and anyone with responsibility that these places were doing untold harm.

When little Johnny and Jonette stumbles in at 5am with the eyes in the back of their heads and totally stoned,people won't see it that way for sure.

No use going down to the local shave-head in the 'headshop' he or she won't give a fcuk,once the stuff is paid for.

Cop yourselves on.

More generalised ****.

Patricide

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Sure they won't , they have sense.

Sure why believe highly qualified people, and parents and anyone with responsibility that these places were doing untold harm.

When little Johnny and Jonette stumbles in at 5am with the eyes in the back of their heads and totally stoned,people won't see it that way for sure.

No use going down to the local shave-head in the 'headshop' he or she won't give a fcuk,once the stuff is paid for.

Cop yourselves on.

Because parents usually dont have a clue what there kids are actually up to. Id say this holds up about 90% of the time. Because these reports are usually sensationalized and only one side of the story comes out.

When johnny comes in 5 in the morning eyes rolling in his head drunk its ok though right? I mean its cool, no problem alcohols legal even though many reports find it to be more dangerous than a lot of other drugs but you know...why should we trust highly qualified people.

Why do you think that everyone who works at these head shops are "shave heads"? I mean this would pretty much point out to me that your the one who would have no sense. A lot of these places were run by normal people who were very strict on the law, sure there were gaps there where dodgey people ran them but this was in the minority. This also happens in pubs, supermarkets and hell even doctors offices.

Now I didnt smoke or snort or whatever any of the crap from the headshops myself(with the exception of smoke(its a herbal weed substitute) ages ago) but come on really its time to stop burying our head in the sand on the drug issue.

Drugs like weed will always be out there, there too easy to grow and they make too much profit. The worlds attitude toward a lot of drugs are changing with every new scientific paper that comes out. In fact in relation to weed, turns out a lot of it was actually blatant propaganda(yes i know not all of it was, i said a lot).

Look at countries like portugal as a case study, they have decriminalized ALL drugs, including heroin. What happened? Drug use rates WENT DOWN.

Another case study, the netherlands. They legalized weed, did drug rates go up? No in fact the opposite. Drug rates there are among the LOWEST in europe.

Also take California who this month will vote to legalize cannabis. Recent polls show that the law will pass and the state will stand to make billions from it in taxation. Even if that bill doesnt go through, it was from the start of this month decriminalized. I know the tax figures over here would be significantly less but it beats getting zero. I mean im sure they get a fair few bob from alcohol and cigarettes, why not highs too?

Bottom line, the drugs are out there and will get sold anyway. Might as well make some tax on them. I am for headshops although only with proper regulation on the premises, the staff, and the products, in a similar system like the netherlands.

Heres some further reading for you, as you trust the experts you know:
http://newsflavor.com/world/europe/scientific-research-proves-alcohol-and-cigarettes-more-dangerous-than-cannabis-lsd-or-ecstasy/

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL5730185

Could find more but id wager you will disregard all of my points before you even read them.

ScumLord

I don't think the headshops would have been workable in the long run. While I think everybody over a certain age should have the right to try drugs the street corner shop approach wasn't really the best and they weren't really doing anything to help the reputation of drugs and drug users.

There are real dangers associated with drug use and we do need to be responsible in how people buy and use them. The open ended heapshop approach was always going to be shut down as it was a profit making business. Profit and any drug legal, recreational or medical is always bad.

I do think drugs can be used by people safely but I don't think the governments approach should be one of providing jobs or generating taxes because this is people bodies we're talking about. The financial benefit is obvious as it is with any business.

Tom Cruises Left Nut

There are some still open, one down the road from me in fact

FlutterinBantam

Nodin wrote: »

More generalised ****.

Little more constructive than your reply though.

FlutterinBantam

Patricide wrote: »

Because parents usually dont have a clue what there kids are actually up to. Id say this holds up about 90% of the time. Because these reports are usually sensationalized and only one side of the story comes out.

If that tenet is true ,you live in a different world to me

Patricide wrote: »

When johnny comes in 5 in the morning eyes rolling in his head drunk its ok though right? I mean its cool, no problem alcohols legal even though many reports find it to be more dangerous than a lot of other drugs but you know...why should we trust highly qualified people.

Don't put words in my mouth please.

Patricide wrote: »

Why do you think that everyone who works at these head shops are "shave heads"? I mean this would pretty much point out to me that your the one who would have no sense. A lot of these places were run by normal people who were very strict on the law, sure there were gaps there where dodgey people ran them but this was in the minority. This also happens in pubs, supermarkets and hell even doctors offices.

I had occasion to visit these kips and 100%, I came across no-one I considered normal, just opportunists out to make a killing at young peoples expense and fcuk them when they end up in hospital wards.

Pubs operate under license.

Patricide wrote: »

Now I didnt smoke or snort or whatever any of the crap from the headshops myself(with the exception of smoke(its a herbal weed substitute) ages ago) but come on really its time to stop burying our head in the sand on the drug issue.

Drugs like weed will always be out there, there too easy to grow and they make too much profit. The worlds attitude toward a lot of drugs are changing with every new scientific paper that comes out. In fact in relation to weed, turns out a lot of it was actually blatant propaganda(yes i know not all of it was, i said a lot).

Look at countries like portugal as a case study, they have decriminalized ALL drugs, including heroin. What happened? Drug use rates WENT DOWN.

Another case study, the netherlands. They legalized weed, did drug rates go up? No in fact the opposite. Drug rates there are among the LOWEST in europe.

Also take California who this month will vote to legalize cannabis. Recent polls show that the law will pass and the state will stand to make billions from it in taxation. Even if that bill doesnt go through, it was from the start of this month decriminalized. I know the tax figures over here would be significantly less but it beats getting zero. I mean im sure they get a fair few bob from alcohol and cigarettes, why not highs too?

Bottom line, the drugs are out there and will get sold anyway. Might as well make some tax on them. I am for headshops although only with proper regulation on the premises, the staff, and the products, in a similar system like the netherlands.

Heres some further reading for you, as you trust the experts you know:
http://newsflavor.com/world/europe/scientific-research-proves-alcohol-and-cigarettes-more-dangerous-than-cannabis-lsd-or-ecstasy/

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL5730185

Could find more but id wager you will disregard all of my points before you even read them.

Excellent reading
Now here's a bit of reading for you.

Yakult

The quicker cannibas becomes legal the better.

70 years of prohibition and nothing to show for it. Complete opposite actually, the number of people smoking it has risen very highly.

Why so much crime linked with it? Because its so easy to grow and very profitable. Once again, tells of the high numbers of users.

If anything, Governments are the one to blame. Their blind eye and prohibition of this pretty harmless drug has led to alot of tax payers money being spent to try and stop it, which has failed hugely. Theirs huge profit to be made just like in alcohol and tobacco.

How many deaths have been cause by Cannibas? None.
Is it only scumbags who smoke cannibas? Hell no, I know teachers, cops, shop owners, mothers who all smoke it. Does that make them bad people if society knew? Yes because its an illegal drug.

If someone gets drunk, fights and causes distruction on a night out, "Sure its only drink blah blah blah..."

If someone gets high in their own house, watches tv and relax, they are criminals...

People have a backwards view on the drug, and think just because its a "drug" its automatically bad. yes the crime part is crap and tbh really wish it wasnt asscociated with a feel good plant thats meant to bring some form of happyness. But its no ones fault but the law.

flash1080

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think the headshops would have been workable in the long run. While I think everybody over a certain age should have the right to try drugs the street corner shop approach wasn't really the best and they weren't really doing anything to help the reputation of drugs and drug users.

There are real dangers associated with drug use and we do need to be responsible in how people buy and use them. The open ended heapshop approach was always going to be shut down as it was a profit making business. Profit and any drug legal, recreational or medical is always bad.

I do think drugs can be used by people safely but I don't think the governments approach should be one of providing jobs or generating taxes because this is people bodies we're talking about. The financial benefit is obvious as it is with any business.

WTF are you on about, nobody said that profit and medicinal drugs are bad.

R_H_C_P wrote: »

Does that make them bad people if society knew? Yes because its an illegal drug.

Are they bad people if they support organised crime so they can use a luxury product?

FlutterinBantam

R_H_C_P wrote: »

The quicker cannibas becomes legal the better.

70 years of prohibition and nothing to show for it. Complete opposite actually, the number of people smoking it has risen very highly...................

.

Not according to these people

Nodin

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Little more constructive than your reply though.

No, thats why it can be summed up as "generalised ****".

FlutterinBantam

Nodin wrote: »

No, thats why it can be summed up as "generalised ****".

When you have something constructive to post and a point to make I may engage.

So far I have seen neither.

Patricide

Yes it is true, and I live in the real world, well to be fair this will vary between different groups of people but I have yet to meet someone around the ages of 15-18 who hasnt at least tried a drug, or at least has friends who take drugs.

Ok so, I wont put words in your mouth. Now can you answer the question I give you. If a kid comes in at 5 in the morning hammered out of his skull with his eyes rolling after drinking, is it your opinion that drink should also be made illegal? If the answer to this question is no? Why not, is the reasoning not the same because its legal already or what?

As for the headshops you visited, where exactly do you live that they can be so bad? Ive been into a lot of the shops in dublin cork and limerick when they were open(I had a lot of friends who loved the legal cannabis alternatives when there was nothing else around). Sure there was one or two dodgey ones, but in general they were all pretty good for checking for I.D. Still like I said, regulation is the key and they should be made licensed premises. Would that negate your views of these shops then?

As for your lovely article. Correct me if im wrong but it says that 5 people were admited to the hospital for headshop induced paranoia and confusion.

Wow. Those facts and figures arent exactly scary, considering that alcohol figures GROSSLY outweigh them. Hell id imagine people falling on a night out would outweigh them. Again this doesnt make either going out nor buying alcohol illegal. The article is also in favor of keeping the shops legal, albeit with government regulation.

Also it would appear RHCP was right, cannabis users are on the increase in Ireland:

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=14759