Soden for Ireland becoming the 51st state

The Agogo · 24-10-2010 02:12PM #1

I barely even glance at this ragpaper, but this caught my eye:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/soden-lets-quit-eu-and-join-us-2392427.html

Are we to see a future United States of America and Europe?

It could well happen! I'd prefer to be with Europe though...

Dunjohn · 24-10-2010 02:15PM

A "refreshing challenge to the orthodoxy?" Yeah, that's why I love the Sunday Independent, completely unbiased reporting.

AirBiscuit · 24-10-2010 02:19PM

I'd emigrate if that happened...

PanchoVilla · 24-10-2010 02:21PM

It doesn't make a damn bit of difference as long as the likes of the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, and Morgans are calling the shots worldwide with the G20, Bilderberg, Trilateral, CFR, IMF etc. That's the real power behind the scenes.

Absurdum · 24-10-2010 02:24PM

Botulism wrote: »

I'd emigrate if that happened...

to America? lol

mikom · 24-10-2010 02:25PM

Could be worth it if we got a prop 19.

JohnathanM · 24-10-2010 02:26PM

mikom wrote: »

Could be worth it if we got a prop 19.

watchewtalkinboutwillis?

EDIT: Ah, the chronic. Word.

Earthhorse · 24-10-2010 02:29PM

Yeah, so basically take away one of the prime reasons major US corporations set up shop here in Ireland, to get a foothold in the EU. What great thinking, those chief executives at banks really earn their keep.

saywhatyousee · 24-10-2010 02:29PM

i would much rather be in a union with the us than europe.
germans are about to destroy europe for the third time,
in a 100 years with there euro
there should be a union of english speaking countrys
ireland and the u.k are not really in europe
and should not be part of the e.u

Minstrel27 · 24-10-2010 02:31PM

If we were to get the full range of HBO and Showtime channels then sure.

Absurdum · 24-10-2010 02:31PM

Earthhorse wrote: »

those chief executives at banks really earn their keep.

at least he's being a little bit productive nowadays

Sanjuro · 24-10-2010 02:32PM

I don't dislike America. Or Americans. The many Americans I've met have been very pleasant people. But there is absolutely no way in hell I'd want to live in their idea of democracy. We have our problems. And they are many. But when you look at the US' medical system, their judicial system, their electoral system, then there's something to be said about our way of running things. Badly.

Corsendonk · 24-10-2010 02:37PM

saywhatyousee wrote: »

i would much rather be in a union with the us than europe.
germans are about to destroy europe for the third time,
in a 100 years with there euro
there should be a union of english speaking countrys
ireland and the u.k are not really in europe
and should not be part of the e.u

Maybe you should learn the use of capital letters and full stops first.

Puerto Rico is the 51st state in all but name and surprisely english isn't its first language just like a projected 25% of the states population.

HavingCrack · 24-10-2010 02:38PM

saywhatyousee wrote: »

i would much rather be in a union with the us than europe.
germans are about to destroy europe for the third time,
in a 100 years with there euro
there should be a union of english speaking countrys
ireland and the u.k are not really in europe
and should not be part of the e.u

1-The Germans will not destroy Europe.
2-So you want to be in the same country as the UK again, can't really see that being too popular in Ireland.
3-Ireland and the UK are geographically, culturally and historically part of Europe.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Misanthrope · 24-10-2010 02:45PM

So Ireland would become a 51st State.Germany is in many way already a 51st state through American aid and investment not to mention military presence.Portugal could be swayed.

Then the EU is compromised and destabilised with older members separating to either join US or form an amicable new entity or even start a war to kickstart the newly arranged economies

Add this to NAFTA/NAU which is in full effect, plus the smaller nations who use the dollar as their de facto currency, and we could be headed to a giant superstate to rival and beat or simply consume China and what it has to offer.

You can throw in Americas latest colonial acquisitions too, like Iraq and Afghanistan and Uncle Sam's backscratchers, like Uzbekistan and us but we're already included in my conspiratorial cake mix.

Judging by the level of US investment there I'd say India is on board in at least a corporate sense

Imagine a UN with just Russia,China,British Commonwealth,United States of America n most of the bleedin world,and maybe a union of ,as ever, exploited and corporately run African nations.

Oh ... and France,who will be represented by an indomitable village of angry farmers who have this magic potion and will never conquered

saywhatyousee · 24-10-2010 02:47PM

HavingCrack wrote: »

1-The Germans will not destroy Europe.
2-So you want to be in the same country as the UK again, can't really see that being too popular in Ireland.
3-Ireland and the UK are geographically, culturally and historically part of Europe.

Obvious troll is obvious.

answers1.I am sure they said that in 1918 too.
2.I never said that ireland and the U.k would be in the same country.I just said there should be a english speaking country union.
3.really since when?

ejmaztec · 24-10-2010 02:51PM

saywhatyousee wrote: »

i would much rather be in a union with the us than europe.
germans are about to destroy europe for the third time,
in a 100 years with there euro
there should be a union of english speaking countrys
ireland and the u.k are not really in europe
and should not be part of the e.u

I'd rather a union of English writing countries, then you'd be barred.

dlofnep · 24-10-2010 02:51PM

I'll take my chances in the EU. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to leave it. We would be politically isolated over here, and would have severe issues with freedom of trade & travel.

That guy is a moron, and is clearly away in la-la land.

Chuchoter · 24-10-2010 02:54PM

Leave the EU? Out of the frying pan into the fire, God only knows what we'd do without Germany.

dlofnep · 24-10-2010 02:55PM

saywhatyousee wrote: »

2.I never said that ireland and the U.k would be in the same country.I just said there should be a english speaking country union.

You'd be screwed.

saywhatyousee wrote: »

3.really since when?

Eh, geographically for about 180 million years. Culturally & linguistically for about over a millenium.

NoHornJan · 24-10-2010 02:57PM

The Moon is the 51st. State...

JONJO THE MISER · 24-10-2010 03:00PM

Minstrel27 wrote: »

If we were to get the full range of HBO and Showtime channels then sure.

Direct tv ftw:D

AirBiscuit · 24-10-2010 03:14PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Direct tv ftw:D

Mainly American TV shows instead of RTE would make me consider suicide

Misanthrope · 24-10-2010 03:17PM

crayolastereo wrote: »

Leave the EU? Out of the frying pan into the fire, God only knows what we'd do without Germany.

It's not necessarily the fire.It might be another frying pan, a much bigger frying pan.

I reckon a superdooperstate is on the way.It should be called ..........

THE UNIFICATED STATES OF FREEDUMBCIA
One Nation Under a Spy Agency where All Men are Free to Act Dumb and Some Womenfolk Need To Learn To Shut The Hell Up

Zillah · 24-10-2010 03:55PM

Misanthrope wrote: »

So Ireland would become a 51st State.Germany is in many way already a 51st state through American aid and investment not to mention military presence.Portugal could be swayed.

Then the EU is compromised and destabilised with older members separating to either join US or form an amicable new entity or even start a war to kickstart the newly arranged economies

Add this to NAFTA/NAU which is in full effect, plus the smaller nations who use the dollar as their de facto currency, and we could be headed to a giant superstate to rival and beat or simply consume China and what it has to offer.

You can throw in Americas latest colonial acquisitions too, like Iraq and Afghanistan and Uncle Sam's backscratchers, like Uzbekistan and us but we're already included in my conspiratorial cake mix.

Judging by the level of US investment there I'd say India is on board in at least a corporate sense

Imagine a UN with just Russia,China,British Commonwealth,United States of America n most of the bleedin world,and maybe a union of ,as ever, exploited and corporately run African nations.

Oh ... and France,who will be represented by an indomitable village of angry farmers who have this magic potion and will never conquered

I wish that I too could live in magic land as you do. Everything is so much easier when you can just make up absurd fantasies and believe them.

Sonnenblumen · 24-10-2010 03:59PM

The Agogo wrote: »

I barely even glance at this ragpaper, but this caught my eye:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/soden-lets-quit-eu-and-join-us-2392427.html

Are we to see a future United States of America and Europe?

It could well happen! I'd prefer to be with Europe though...

I wonder if that Soden idiot bought that idea online?

HavingCrack · 24-10-2010 04:15PM

saywhatyousee wrote: »

answers1.I am sure they said that in 1918 too.
2.I never said that ireland and the U.k would be in the same country.I just said there should be a english speaking country union.
3.really since when?

1-The western allies contributed to the rise of Hitler and national socialism by their own vindictive actions at the Versailles Peace Conference. They humiliated Germany, took 40% of its land area, put all the blame for ww1 on their shoulders etc You can hardly blame the Germans for being angry at the time. There's absolutely no similarities with the present situation whatsoever. If you can find a German who wants to embark on another Europe wide war that leads to the carving up of their nation let us know.

2-Country Union=Country

How would your proposed union work?
Good thing it's not an English writing Country Union.

3-170 million years or so geographically and 4,000 years or so historically and linguistically.

Misanthrope · 24-10-2010 04:18PM

Zillah wrote: »

I wish that I too could live in magic land as you do. Everything is so much easier when you can just make up absurd fantasies and believe them.

"All ya gotta do is believe"-Adolf Hitler 1930

You didn't pick up any tones of irony in there at all?I literally did make all that up as I was writing it.Doesn't mean I believe it.And of course its absurd.

But what's really absurd is that as we move ever closer to such an absurd scenario we regard addressing or preventing such an absurdity, as absurd in itself.

Adopting this approach will guarantee that nothing absurd ever actually can or does happen thus negating the necessity for the concept of absurdity, meaning that nothing can be absurd.Does that sound absurd to you?

Is an absurdity falling in the woods really an absurdity?

southsiderosie · 24-10-2010 04:24PM

The guy in the article said:

"The possible consequences of political and economic association with the US would be a massive influx of foreign direct investment, a link to the US dollar, a reduction in unemployment, and who knows, maybe an annual payment for a number of years to get our finances back in balance."

Translation: Hey Washington, please bail us out because Berlin Brussels won't.

up for anything · 24-10-2010 04:30PM

Misanthrope wrote: »

Oh ... and France,who will be represented by an indomitable village of angry farmers who have this magic potion and will never conquered

We'd be the po white trash state!

Misanthrope · 24-10-2010 04:35PM

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

I wonder if that Soden idiot bought that idea online?

WHAT? You can buy great ideas like that online?I completely devoid of any kind of inspiration.Are they expensive?

Soden for Ireland becoming the 51st state

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