Soden for Ireland becoming the 51st state

The Agogo

I barely even glance at this ragpaper, but this caught my eye:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/soden-lets-quit-eu-and-join-us-2392427.html

Are we to see a future United States of America and Europe?

It could well happen! I'd prefer to be with Europe though...

Dunjohn

A "refreshing challenge to the orthodoxy?" Yeah, that's why I love the Sunday Independent, completely unbiased reporting.

AirBiscuit

I'd emigrate if that happened...

PanchoVilla

It doesn't make a damn bit of difference as long as the likes of the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, and Morgans are calling the shots worldwide with the G20, Bilderberg, Trilateral, CFR, IMF etc. That's the real power behind the scenes.

Absurdum

Botulism wrote: »

I'd emigrate if that happened...

to America? lol

mikom

Could be worth it if we got a prop 19.

JohnathanM

mikom wrote: »

Could be worth it if we got a prop 19.

watchewtalkinboutwillis?

EDIT: Ah, the chronic. Word.

Earthhorse

Yeah, so basically take away one of the prime reasons major US corporations set up shop here in Ireland, to get a foothold in the EU. What great thinking, those chief executives at banks really earn their keep.

saywhatyousee

i would much rather be in a union with the us than europe.
germans are about to destroy europe for the third time,
in a 100 years with there euro
there should be a union of english speaking countrys
ireland and the u.k are not really in europe
and should not be part of the e.u

Minstrel27

If we were to get the full range of HBO and Showtime channels then sure.

Absurdum

Earthhorse wrote: »

those chief executives at banks really earn their keep.

at least he's being a little bit productive nowadays

Sanjuro

I don't dislike America. Or Americans. The many Americans I've met have been very pleasant people. But there is absolutely no way in hell I'd want to live in their idea of democracy. We have our problems. And they are many. But when you look at the US' medical system, their judicial system, their electoral system, then there's something to be said about our way of running things. Badly.

Corsendonk

saywhatyousee wrote: »

i would much rather be in a union with the us than europe.
germans are about to destroy europe for the third time,
in a 100 years with there euro
there should be a union of english speaking countrys
ireland and the u.k are not really in europe
and should not be part of the e.u

Maybe you should learn the use of capital letters and full stops first.

Puerto Rico is the 51st state in all but name and surprisely english isn't its first language just like a projected 25% of the states population.

HavingCrack

saywhatyousee wrote: »

i would much rather be in a union with the us than europe.
germans are about to destroy europe for the third time,
in a 100 years with there euro
there should be a union of english speaking countrys
ireland and the u.k are not really in europe
and should not be part of the e.u

1-The Germans will not destroy Europe.
2-So you want to be in the same country as the UK again, can't really see that being too popular in Ireland.
3-Ireland and the UK are geographically, culturally and historically part of Europe.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Misanthrope

So Ireland would become a 51st State.Germany is in many way already a 51st state through American aid and investment not to mention military presence.Portugal could be swayed.

Then the EU is compromised and destabilised with older members separating to either join US or form an amicable new entity or even start a war to kickstart the newly arranged economies

Add this to NAFTA/NAU which is in full effect, plus the smaller nations who use the dollar as their de facto currency, and we could be headed to a giant superstate to rival and beat or simply consume China and what it has to offer.

You can throw in Americas latest colonial acquisitions too, like Iraq and Afghanistan and Uncle Sam's backscratchers, like Uzbekistan and us but we're already included in my conspiratorial cake mix.

Judging by the level of US investment there I'd say India is on board in at least a corporate sense

Imagine a UN with just Russia,China,British Commonwealth,United States of America n most of the bleedin world,and maybe a union of ,as ever, exploited and corporately run African nations.

Oh ... and France,who will be represented by an indomitable village of angry farmers who have this magic potion and will never conquered

saywhatyousee

HavingCrack wrote: »

1-The Germans will not destroy Europe.
2-So you want to be in the same country as the UK again, can't really see that being too popular in Ireland.
3-Ireland and the UK are geographically, culturally and historically part of Europe.

Obvious troll is obvious.

answers1.I am sure they said that in 1918 too.
2.I never said that ireland and the U.k would be in the same country.I just said there should be a english speaking country union.
3.really since when?

ejmaztec

saywhatyousee wrote: »

i would much rather be in a union with the us than europe.
germans are about to destroy europe for the third time,
in a 100 years with there euro
there should be a union of english speaking countrys
ireland and the u.k are not really in europe
and should not be part of the e.u

I'd rather a union of English writing countries, then you'd be barred.

dlofnep

I'll take my chances in the EU. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to leave it. We would be politically isolated over here, and would have severe issues with freedom of trade & travel.

That guy is a moron, and is clearly away in la-la land.

Chuchoter

Leave the EU? Out of the frying pan into the fire, God only knows what we'd do without Germany.

dlofnep

saywhatyousee wrote: »

2.I never said that ireland and the U.k would be in the same country.I just said there should be a english speaking country union.

You'd be screwed.

saywhatyousee wrote: »

3.really since when?

Eh, geographically for about 180 million years. Culturally & linguistically for about over a millenium.

NoHornJan

The Moon is the 51st. State...

JONJO THE MISER

Minstrel27 wrote: »

If we were to get the full range of HBO and Showtime channels then sure.

Direct tv ftw:D

AirBiscuit

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Direct tv ftw:D

Mainly American TV shows instead of RTE would make me consider suicide

Misanthrope

crayolastereo wrote: »

Leave the EU? Out of the frying pan into the fire, God only knows what we'd do without Germany.

It's not necessarily the fire.It might be another frying pan, a much bigger frying pan.

I reckon a superdooperstate is on the way.It should be called ..........

THE UNIFICATED STATES OF FREEDUMBCIA
One Nation Under a Spy Agency where All Men are Free to Act Dumb and Some Womenfolk Need To Learn To Shut The Hell Up

Zillah

Misanthrope wrote: »

So Ireland would become a 51st State.Germany is in many way already a 51st state through American aid and investment not to mention military presence.Portugal could be swayed.

Then the EU is compromised and destabilised with older members separating to either join US or form an amicable new entity or even start a war to kickstart the newly arranged economies

Add this to NAFTA/NAU which is in full effect, plus the smaller nations who use the dollar as their de facto currency, and we could be headed to a giant superstate to rival and beat or simply consume China and what it has to offer.

You can throw in Americas latest colonial acquisitions too, like Iraq and Afghanistan and Uncle Sam's backscratchers, like Uzbekistan and us but we're already included in my conspiratorial cake mix.

Judging by the level of US investment there I'd say India is on board in at least a corporate sense

Imagine a UN with just Russia,China,British Commonwealth,United States of America n most of the bleedin world,and maybe a union of ,as ever, exploited and corporately run African nations.

Oh ... and France,who will be represented by an indomitable village of angry farmers who have this magic potion and will never conquered

I wish that I too could live in magic land as you do. Everything is so much easier when you can just make up absurd fantasies and believe them.

Sonnenblumen

The Agogo wrote: »

I barely even glance at this ragpaper, but this caught my eye:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/soden-lets-quit-eu-and-join-us-2392427.html

Are we to see a future United States of America and Europe?

It could well happen! I'd prefer to be with Europe though...

I wonder if that Soden idiot bought that idea online?

HavingCrack

saywhatyousee wrote: »

answers1.I am sure they said that in 1918 too.
2.I never said that ireland and the U.k would be in the same country.I just said there should be a english speaking country union.
3.really since when?

1-The western allies contributed to the rise of Hitler and national socialism by their own vindictive actions at the Versailles Peace Conference. They humiliated Germany, took 40% of its land area, put all the blame for ww1 on their shoulders etc You can hardly blame the Germans for being angry at the time. There's absolutely no similarities with the present situation whatsoever. If you can find a German who wants to embark on another Europe wide war that leads to the carving up of their nation let us know.

2-Country Union=Country How would your proposed union work?
Good thing it's not an English writing Country Union.

3-170 million years or so geographically and 4,000 years or so historically and linguistically.

Misanthrope

Zillah wrote: »

I wish that I too could live in magic land as you do. Everything is so much easier when you can just make up absurd fantasies and believe them.

"All ya gotta do is believe"-Adolf Hitler 1930

You didn't pick up any tones of irony in there at all?I literally did make all that up as I was writing it.Doesn't mean I believe it.And of course its absurd.

But what's really absurd is that as we move ever closer to such an absurd scenario we regard addressing or preventing such an absurdity, as absurd in itself.

Adopting this approach will guarantee that nothing absurd ever actually can or does happen thus negating the necessity for the concept of absurdity, meaning that nothing can be absurd.Does that sound absurd to you?

Is an absurdity falling in the woods really an absurdity?

southsiderosie

The guy in the article said:

"The possible consequences of political and economic association with the US would be a massive influx of foreign direct investment, a link to the US dollar, a reduction in unemployment, and who knows, maybe an annual payment for a number of years to get our finances back in balance."

Translation: Hey Washington, please bail us out because Berlin Brussels won't.

up for anything

Misanthrope wrote: »

Oh ... and France,who will be represented by an indomitable village of angry farmers who have this magic potion and will never conquered

We'd be the po white trash state!

Misanthrope

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

I wonder if that Soden idiot bought that idea online?

WHAT? You can buy great ideas like that online?I completely devoid of any kind of inspiration.Are they expensive?

PeterIanStaker

Great idea, sure wouldn't it be great to become part of of a country that isn't dominated by outdated partisan Civil War politics, doesn't have religious nutjobs trying to control society, and has an unbiased media . . . . . . .

ejmaztec

On the upside, we will be able to join the militia of our choice, and blow up government buildings.

Nodin

The Agogo wrote: »

I barely even glance at this ragpaper, but this caught my eye:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/soden-lets-quit-eu-and-join-us-2392427.html

Are we to see a future United States of America and Europe?

............

This doesn't strike me as a very coherent argument by Soden....As yer man has some level of respectability I reckon the Sindo is to blame for cherrypicking quotes.....However, on the face of it -

This Soden head.... wrote:

If we are in search of a solution and Europe finds it difficult to accommodate the needs of the Irish electorate, should we look elsewhere?" Mr Soden asks in his new book on the financial crisis, Open Dissent.
Expanding on his argument, the 63-year-old career banker adds that: "Our membership of Europe has to have balance in all aspects, particularly in relation to our culture, our sovereignty and the price we pay for economic and financial independence.
"Have we unwittingly surrendered these precious aspects of our society as the price of European Union membership?"

What the jaysus does he think would happen if we joined the US? We're overflowing with US media output as is....

fontanalis

Originally Posted by This Soden head....
If we are in search of a solution and Europe finds it difficult to accommodate the needs of the Irish electorate, should we look elsewhere?" Mr Soden asks in his new book on the financial crisis, Open Dissent.
Expanding on his argument, the 63-year-old career banker adds that: "Our membership of Europe has to have balance in all aspects, particularly in relation to our culture, our sovereignty and the price we pay for economic and financial independence.
"Have we unwittingly surrendered these precious aspects of our society as the price of European Union membership?

---

What a pile of meaningless shyte? So the country had potential to do well and blew it liek a 16 year old who found their daddys credit card and turned into snobbish morons who got in way over their head in debt and now expect not to pay for it!

Celly Smunt

PanchoVilla wrote: »

It doesn't make a damn bit of difference as long as the likes of the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, and Morgans are calling the shots worldwide with the G20, Bilderberg, Trilateral, CFR, IMF etc. That's the real power behind the scenes.

sure it is.

saywhatyousee

i hate the E.U with a passion.I cant understand why Irish people defend it so much.it robbed ireland out of 70bn euro.It made farming and fishing impossible to make a living out of.we should ask for our money back and leave quitely

Celly Smunt

saywhatyousee wrote: »

i hate the E.U with a passion.I cant understand why Irish people defend it so much.it robbed ireland out of 70bn euro.It made farming and fishing impossible to make a living out of.we should ask for our money back and leave quitely

i guess we should just pack up all the infrastructure into containers and ship it off to brussels and say we don't want it anymore also?

saywhatyousee

pmcmahon wrote: »

i guess we should just pack up all the infrastructure into containers and ship it off to brussels and say we don't want it anymore also?

but we really paid for that ourselfs the E.U gave ireland 50bn in funds but took 120bn in fish and other resources

fontanalis

saywhatyousee wrote: »

but we really paid for that ourselfs the E.U gave ireland 50bn in funds but took 120bn in fish and other resources

How did it take the fish, and what were the other resources and how did it make farming unprofitable (I don't know how small farmers could get by without subsidies)?
Irish boats can also fish EU waters, and don't worry they plundered their own waters.
Overall baffling.

galwayrush

I don't mind joining if it means the death of FF .:D

saywhatyousee

fontanalis wrote: »

How did it take the fish, and what were the other resources and how did it make farming unprofitable (I don't know how small farmers could get by without subsidies)?
Irish boats can also fish EU waters, and don't worry they plundered their own waters.
Overall baffling.

the irish waters where the best to fish in europe if not the world.
then the spainish and french came with there small nets and wiped the whole place out

galwayrush

saywhatyousee wrote: »

but we really paid for that ourselfs the E.U gave ireland 50bn in funds but took 120bn in fish and other resources

Wow, our Government have almost given as much as we've ever received from Europe to bail out their friends in NAMA and the toxic banks............:mad:

fontanalis

saywhatyousee wrote: »

the irish waters where the best to fish in europe if not the world.
then the spainish and french came with there small nets and wiped the whole place out

Norway is just as good (that's where irish boats are landing now because of fish prices), and Ireland is very seasonal. Believe me I worked in a fish factory and the size of fish being killed by irish boats was completely unsustainable. It's all to easy to blame the Spanish. Look at irish salmon fishing, ruined by irish over fishing.
You mentioned other resources and the farming, could you explain those please?

saywhatyousee

galwayrush wrote: »

Wow, our Government have almost given as much as we've ever received from Europe to bail out their friends in NAMA and the toxic banks............:mad:

ya but we have to pay that money back for nama with interest
we wont get our 70bn back

fontanalis

saywhatyousee wrote: »

ya but we have to pay that money back for nama with interest
we wont get our 70bn back

What 70 bn? And imagine having to pay back money with interest, Ireland is different.

Nodin

saywhatyousee wrote: »

but we really paid for that ourselfs the E.U gave ireland 50bn in funds but took 120bn in fish and other resources

We've gotten far more out than we ever put in. To the CT forum with you.

Kivaro

Sanjuro wrote: »

I don't dislike America. Or Americans. The many Americans I've met have been very pleasant people. But there is absolutely no way in hell I'd want to live in their idea of democracy. We have our problems. And they are many. But when you look at the US' medical system, their judicial system, their electoral system, then there's something to be said about our way of running things. Badly.

So how long how you lived in America to know all this?

southsiderosie

Sanjuro wrote: »

I don't dislike America. Or Americans. The many Americans I've met have been very pleasant people. But there is absolutely no way in hell I'd want to live in their idea of democracy. We have our problems. And they are many. But when you look at the US' medical system, their judicial system, their electoral system, then there's something to be said about our way of running things. Badly.

The American judicial system gets a lot wrong, but there are very strong perjury and public corruption laws, and politicians do get convicted and stripped of their benefits. So as the 51st state under federal law, a number of FF big wigs would most likely be facing a series of federal corruption charges. Hell, even Al Capone was done in by the tax men in the end.

Plus look at things from the American perspective: we already have enough crooked politicians, religious nutjobs, and public debt to last two lifetimes, thank you very much. We don't need yours as well. :P

Killer Pigeon

Keep jew-run America out of Ireland.

yyaaarr zionists yyaaarr 9/11 yyaaarr!!

Absurdum

the amount of racist hate in this thread is astounding!