A 2ND REPUBLIC

how are you? · 19-10-2010 07:37PM #1

I wrote this thread with a heavy heart and an anger and frustration with the situation Ireland now finds its self.We have been beaten down as a society,economy and nation.Have we no fight in us??

looking at the french on tv tonight I ask myself WHERE IS OUR PRIDE??

Im very proud of this country and all it represents and stands for but looking at the next ten years of cutbacks,higher taxes,misery for hundreds of thousands with out work and facing crippling debts I ask:CAN WE TAKE CONTROL OF OUR DESTINY?

the vast majority are going to endure the pain for an elite group of irresponsible bankers and out of touch politicians who DO NOT FEEL THE REAL PAIN

Looking at labour and fianna gael it makes me feel sick to know that they too do not have the courage to take decisive and inspired action that will create a new ireland that is just and equal for all.we are staring down a dead decade or more of poor economic growth that will decay our society,values,confidence,youth and our nation.

Irish people are very easy going and do not hit the streets or protest in any great force.surely it is time that we as irish men and irish women arise from the stranglehold of financial markets,bondholders and an inept political class to BUILD A NEW DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF IRELAND

Go mbeannaí Dia duit

MrStuffins · 19-10-2010 07:38PM

Get off your arse and do something then!

A thread on Boards is not the answer!

Donkey Oaty · 19-10-2010 07:42PM

how are you? wrote: »

Looking at labour and fianna gael it makes me feel sick to know that they too do not have the courage to take decisive and inspired action that will create a new ireland that is just and equal for all.

You there.

Yes, you.

Outline your solutions, then I might have a listen to what you have to say.

how are you? · 19-10-2010 07:43PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Get off your arse and do something then!

A thread on Boards is not the answer!

You know nothing of what i do or have done.Boards is a great medium to broadcast ideas and gauge support.

its time for people to awaken on mass and you never know one thread could influence many of people who might not otherwise have acted.

fontanalis · 19-10-2010 07:44PM

how are you? wrote: »

I wrote this thread with a heavy heart and an anger and frustration with the situation Ireland now finds its self.We have been beaten down as a society,economy and nation.Have we no fight in us??

looking at the french on tv tonight I ask myself WHERE IS OUR PRIDE??

Im very proud of this country and all it represents and stands for but looking at the next ten years of cutbacks,higher taxes,misery for hundreds of thousands with out work and facing crippling debts I ask:CAN WE TAKE CONTROL OF OUR DESTINY?

the vast majority are going to endure the pain for an elite group of irresponsible bankers and out of touch politicians who DO NOT FEEL THE REAL PAIN

Looking at labour and fianna gael it makes me feel sick to know that they too do not have the courage to take decisive and inspired action that will create a new ireland that is just and equal for all.we are staring down a dead decade or more of poor economic growth that will decay our society,values,confidence,youth and our nation.

Irish people are very easy going and do not hit the streets or protest in any great force.surely it is time that we as irish men and irish women arise from the stranglehold of financial markets,bondholders and an inept political class to BUILD A NEW DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF IRELAND

Go mbeannaí Dia duit

Build it with what, Lego?

Donkey Oaty · 19-10-2010 07:44PM

how are you? wrote: »

Boards is a great medium to broadcast ideas and gauge support.

What ideas? Support for what?

how are you? · 19-10-2010 07:46PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

You there.

Yes, you.

Outline your solutions, then I might have a listen to what you have to say.

Not screwing us all for the next decade maybe.telling europe that we will not cripple the country with cuts . get real political reform and real support to businesss and real support to people in financial misery.

fontanalis · 19-10-2010 07:46PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

What ideas? Support for what?

I don't know what these types of posts are even about, do people jsut think a few thousand people runnig around destroying property and stalling the country will bring an end to problems.

mojesius · 19-10-2010 07:46PM

how are you? wrote: »

You know nothing of what i do or have done.Boards is a great medium to broadcast ideas and gauge support.

its time for people to awaken on mass and you never know one thread could influence many of people who might not otherwise have acted.

What about those of us who do not attend mass? Can we also get involved?

fontanalis · 19-10-2010 07:48PM

how are you? wrote: »

Not screwing us all for the next decade maybe.telling europe that we will not cripple the country with cuts . get real political reform and real support to businesss and real support to people in financial misery.

You mean instead of Ireland having to pay back debt it should borrow even more? Oh yeah it's all Euroeps fault now.

Donkey Oaty · 19-10-2010 07:49PM

how are you? wrote: »

Not screwing us all for the next decade maybe.telling europe that we will not cripple the country with cuts . get real political reform and real support to businesss and real support to people in financial misery.

Funnily enough, nearly all the politicians say they are in favour of this.

Insofar as it means anything.

AckwelFoley · 19-10-2010 07:50PM

"looking at the french"

See thats your first mistake.

They are fcuked too. Why, because they cant afford to pay for a nation that doesnt want to work past 55

Donkey Oaty · 19-10-2010 07:52PM

fontanalis wrote: »

I don't know what these types of posts are even about, do people jsut think a few thousand people runnig around destroying property and stalling the country will bring an end to problems.

Alarmingly, some of them seem to think exactly that.

Nevermind_ · 19-10-2010 07:56PM

I think most people are just too busy with everyday life, trying to pay bills keep their job etc. to bother protesting, even if they are outraged at what is happening.

In the 80s we didnt have as much employment/debt as we do now, so we had plenty of time for striking/marching

OpenYourEyes · 19-10-2010 07:56PM

how are you? wrote: »

its time for people to awaken on mass and you never know one thread could influence many of people who might not otherwise have acted.

At least this provided some entertainment to an otherwise not very good thread!

how are you? · 19-10-2010 07:57PM

snyper wrote: »

"looking at the french"

See thats your first mistake.

They are fcuked too. Why, because they cant afford to pay for a nation that doesnt want to work past 55

the french arnt just protesting against the retiremant age.they see this as a battle with the government because the people are being asked to pay for a financial crisis they,in the most part,had no invovement in.

Rebelheart · 19-10-2010 07:57PM

Lads, how about less of this shít knocking a fella when he expresses such anger. Try praise, encouragement and then suggestions for how he could improve?

A person should be encouraged to speak up against something he/she finds unjust, not derided for it. Respect.

starbelgrade · 19-10-2010 07:58PM

how are you? wrote: »

You know nothing of what i do or have done.

I bet you started a Facebook campaign, didn't you?

starbelgrade · 19-10-2010 07:59PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Lads, how about less of this shít knocking a fella when he expresses such anger. Try praise, encouragement and then suggestions for how he could improve?

A person should be encouraged to speak up against something he/she finds unjust, not derided for it. Respect.

Bollox. He said what he wanted to say & people are replying as they see fit.

Respect goes both ways.

AckwelFoley · 19-10-2010 08:00PM

Nevermind_ wrote: »

I think most people are just too busy with everyday life, trying to pay bills keep their job etc. to bother protesting, even if they are outraged at what is happening.

In the 80s we didnt have as much employment/debt as we do now, so we had plenty of time for striking/marching

AH isnt a representation of the electorate - not even a close one.

People are suprisingly clued in to what going on, and what needs to be done...

Sadly with the amount on nonsence been posted on this forum and spouted out on Newstalk one would think its representative. Thankfully its not.

LarrytheLantern · 19-10-2010 08:01PM

i would love to take to the streets and protest, but it rains so much in this country and my hair looks awful when it gets wet ..................

could we do it in July?

dotsman · 19-10-2010 08:02PM

how are you? wrote: »

I wrote this thread with a heavy heart and an anger and frustration with the situation Ireland now finds its self.We have been beaten down as a society,economy and nation.Have we no fight in us??

I don't feel so.

how are you? wrote: »

looking at the french on tv tonight I ask myself WHERE IS OUR PRIDE??

You were looking at the french destroying their country, running around like headless chickens demanding to have their country permanently condemned to be a failed socialist state?

how are you? wrote: »

Im very proud of this country and all it represents and stands for but looking at the next ten years of cutbacks,higher taxes,misery for hundreds of thousands with out work and facing crippling debts I ask:CAN WE TAKE CONTROL OF OUR DESTINY?

Yes, you can vote in the next election. And when you vote, take the responsibility to intelligently analyse all the options and choose sensibly.

how are you? wrote: »

the vast majority are going to endure the pain for an elite group of irresponsible bankers and out of touch politicians who DO NOT FEEL THE REAL PAIN

The moment you go on about the "bankers" and the politicians, you begin to miss the point. WE did this, and it's up to us to bear the responsibility of fixing it.

how are you? wrote: »

Looking at labour and fianna gael it makes me feel sick to know that they too do not have the courage to take decisive and inspired action that will create a new ireland that is just and equal for all.we are staring down a dead decade or more of poor economic growth that will decay our society,values,confidence,youth and our nation.

Yes, I agree Labour (useless), and Finn Gael (more of the same with a twist of lemon) are not great alternatives.

However, "decay our society,values,confidence,youth and our nation"??? That's what everybody was saying the boom was doing to us!

how are you? wrote: »

Irish people are very easy going and do not hit the streets or protest in any great force.surely it is time that we as irish men and irish women arise from the stranglehold of financial markets,bondholders and an inept political class to BUILD A NEW DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF IRELAND

And what exactly will be different about this? How exactly will it work? How will we bring about this new "country"?

My friend, I think you need to relax. You have a very negative outlook on life. Sure, financially things aren't the best right now (even though you're still in a better position than 90% of the population of this planet). But, there's more to life than just money and figures. Enjoy yourself. You only get one life. Live it. Enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ

AckwelFoley · 19-10-2010 08:05PM

how are you? wrote: »

the french arnt just protesting against the retiremant age.they see this as a battle with the government because the people are being asked to pay for a financial crisis they,in the most part,had no invovement in.

Of course, however may they protest untill the proverbial cow comes home it changes nothing. If one earns 500 per week and spends 800 per week, something must be cut, protesting saying it not my fault doesnt cut back on the expenditure, its nice to vent, but wont solve the problem

Rebelheart · 19-10-2010 08:23PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Bollox. He said what he wanted to say & people are replying as they see fit.

Respect goes both ways.

Why is it that in this country - a land where the "rebel" is supposedly held in high esteem - we have a society in the real world which deplores any person or groups of persons who rebels against something in the same generation?

Compared to, for instance, the French, the Irish people are a complete walkover these days. Even in the 1970s hundreds of thousands of Irish people took to the streets to protest against taxes. Now, we are spiritually conquered.

The Irish have huge, huge cause to be on the streets in large numbers. They should be calling for heads. They should be demanding a wholesale change in the political - particularly the political patronage - system in this state. But the Irish people aren't.

In this context, anybody who speaks up against this huge majority of lily-livered spineless sorry excuses for Irish people is worthy of encouraging. Here on Boards.ie, however, a person who speaks up is derided by the "don't rock the boat" mob in Afterhours.

starbelgrade · 19-10-2010 08:26PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Why is it that in this country - a land where the "rebel" is supposedly held in high esteem - we have a society in the real world which deplores any person or groups of persons who rebels against something in the same generation?

Compared to, for instance, the French, the Irish people are a complete walkover these days. Even in the 1970s hundreds of thousands of Irish people took to the streets to protest against taxes. Now, we are spiritually conquered.

The Irish have huge, huge cause to be on the streets in large numbers. They should be calling for heads. They should be demanding a wholesale change in the political - particularly the political patronage - system in this state. But the Irish people aren't.

In this context, anybody who speaks up against this huge majority of lily-livered spineless sorry excuses for Irish people is worthy of encouraging. Here on Boards.ie, however, a person who speaks up is derided by the "don't rock the boat" mob in Afterhours.

Meh.

Rebelheart · 19-10-2010 08:26PM

snyper wrote: »

Of course, however may they protest untill the proverbial cow comes home it changes nothing. If one earns 500 per week and spends 800 per week, something must be cut, protesting saying it not my fault doesnt cut back on the expenditure, its nice to vent, but wont solve the problem

This is self-serving defeatist bullshít. Protesting does change things. Look at how France has escaped the worst of the recession because so many people have protested to ensure state involvement in many more areas of the economy than existed in Ireland or the United States (and thus avoid the worst excesses of boom-bust cycles).

For that matter, ask any OAP in this state about how they still have their medical card.

Protesting works.

Donkey Oaty · 19-10-2010 08:28PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Here on Boards.ie, however, a person who speaks up is derided by the "don't rock the boat" mob in Afterhours.

The "Don't rock the boat" mob? What kind of filter have you got on this forum? Everyone here hates the status quo.

They're interested in solutions though, not bland nonsense.

Rebelheart · 19-10-2010 08:28PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Meh.

That was intelligent.

ascanbe · 19-10-2010 08:29PM

snyper wrote: »

Of course, however may they protest untill the proverbial cow comes home it changes nothing. If one earns 500 per week and spends 800 per week, something must be cut, protesting saying it not my fault doesnt cut back on the expenditure, its nice to vent, but wont solve the problem

How about if the reason that 'one' is having to spend way beyond one's means every week, is that one is being forced to spend one's money on picking up the tab for debts one has no responsibility for?
The taxpayers of this country, the ones earning the 500 per week, in your analogy, will now be forced to spend most of the 500 per week they earn paying off these gamblers debts, rather than for the benifit of themselves.
And will actually have to continue borrowing; that's if anyone will lend to them.

starbelgrade · 19-10-2010 08:34PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

This is self-serving defeatist bullshít. Protesting does change things. Look at how France has escaped the worst of the recession because so many people have protested to ensure state involvement in many more areas of the economy than existed in Ireland or the United States (and thus avoid the worst excesses of boom-bust cycles).

For that matter, ask any OAP in this state about how they still have their medical card.

Protesting works.

EH?

France is the 2nd largest economy in Europe, the biggest agricultural producer in Europe, the biggest tourist destination in the world, the 4th largest weapons producer in the world & is the 2nd largest trading nation in Europe.

And you're saying that France escaped the worst of the recession because of protesting? Have you been smoking baguettes or something?

Celly Smunt · 19-10-2010 08:34PM

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A 2ND REPUBLIC

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