Multiculturalism has failed...

gurramok wrote: »

I was in that position of emigrating, damn right I would do as you suggest, its called integrating into the country that opened up her arms to you.

southsiderosie wrote: »

...there is a strong correlation between education status and attitudes towards immigration.

I think a lot of the time there is local conflict when economic migrants move to where the cheap rent is - often in economically deprived areas. Locals see immigrants as "taking our jobs", even if the locals haven't worked a day in their lives.

gurramok wrote: »

If I meet an 18yr old Mustapha or Igor, I expect him to be like any other Irishman who loves their country and not be engaged in loyalty to a foreign country.

gurramok wrote: »

They are here to integrate right? Then they should speak the 2 official languages most Irish people understand, Irish and English.

KINGVictor wrote: »

how can an Irish or British person justifiably comprehend the link below for instance:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1320815/Sheikh-Maulana-Abu-Sayeed-UK-sharia-law-leader-says-theres-thing-rape-marriage.html

I am not in any way saying he speaks for the majority of muslims in the UK but he is well respected and despite the fact that he has lived in the UK for years, he doesnt think it is a problem to express views that are incompatible with his host country.

20th and 21st century criminalization

As the concept of human rights has developed, the belief of a marital right to sexual intercourse has become less widely held. In 1965, Sweden altered its statutes so that husbands could be charged for raping their wives.[8] In December 1993, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights published the Declaration on the Elimination of Violence Against Women[11]. This establishes marital rape as a human rights violation. This is not fully recognized by all UN member States. In 1997, UNICEF reported that just 17 States criminalized marital rape.[9] In 2003, UNIFEM reported that more than 50 States did so.[10] In 2006, the UN Secretary General found "Marital rape may be prosecuted in at least 104 States. Of these, 32 have made marital rape a specific criminal offence, while the remaining 74 [sic] do not exempt marital rape from general rape provisions. Four States criminalize marital rape only when the spouses are judicially separated."[10]
Countries which were early to criminalize marital rape include Poland (1932), Czechoslovakia (1950), the Soviet Union (1960), Denmark (1960), Sweden (1965), Norway (1971), and some other members of the Communist Bloc.[8] The Israeli Supreme Court affirmed that marital rape is a crime in a 1980 decision, citing law based on the Talmud.[11][12] Criminalization in Australia began with the state of New South Wales in 1981, followed by all other states from 1985 to 1992.[13] Several formerly British-ruled countries followed suit: Canada (1982), New Zealand (1985), and Ireland (1990).[13]
Many United States rape statutes formerly precluded the prosecution of spouses, including estranged or even legally separated couples. In 1975, South Dakota removed this exception.[14] In 1993, North Carolina became the last state to remove the spousal exemption.[3] However, as of 1999, 33 of 50 U.S. states regard spousal rape as a lesser crime [Bergen, 1999]. The perpetrator may be charged with related crimes such as assault, battery, or spousal abuse. There are other criminal charges that may be inapplicable to married couples. For example, in the U.S., there is a marriage exemption to the charge of statutory rape even if one of the spouses is under the age of consent in the jurisdiction where the sexual act takes place.
Germany outlawed spousal rape only in 1997, which is later than other developed countries. Female ministers and women's rights activists lobbied for this law for over 25 years.[15]
In India, the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 (passed August 2005; entered into force October 2006) created a civil remedy for victims, but it did not criminalize marital rape,[16][17] and jail time is only considered if a court order has been violated.
Thai legal scholar Taweekiet Meenakanit voiced his opposition to legal reforms that made spousal rape in Thailand a crime. He said it was "abnormal logic" to allow a man to file a rape charge against a woman. He also disagrees with making a crime of a husband raping his wife, on the grounds that this would be difficult to effect since many Thai wives were dependent on their husbands and would not want to divorce them or put them in jail.[18]
Recent countries to criminalize marital rape include Turkey (2005),[19] Mauritius (2007),[20], Ghana(1998/2007),[21] Malaysia (2007),[22][23], Thailand (2007),[24] Tunisia (2008),[25] Rwanda (2009),[26] South Korea (2009),[27] and Jamaica (2009)[28]. Human rights observers have criticized a variety of countries—including Japan[29], Poland[30], and Kazakhstan[31]—for failing to effectively prosecute marital rape once it has been criminalized.

southsiderosie wrote: »

Again, you seem to be using the words integration and immigration interchangably and they are not the same thing. Can you clarify what you are talking about?

As for my comment, the Irish have a long history of both outwards and return migration. So for the Irish to be insulted that there are economic migrants who now want to return to their home countries is kind of ridiculous, given their history.



I see integrating as learning the language and cultural norms and being a tax paying law abiding citizen. I don't think this means you have to give up your former language, or entirely change your behavior, as long as it doesn't violate the laws or any serious social norms of the new country.