Nice guys get the girl in the end, look of lust and love on the brain!?

HavingCrack · 15-10-2010 09:58PM

RoverJames wrote: »

So perhaps chaps that look like bad boys but are really nice and law abiding are the ideal compromise for ladies ?

You mean a boy band member ? :P

Ickle Magoo · 15-10-2010 09:59PM

RoverJames wrote: »

So perhaps chaps that look like bad boys but are really nice and law abiding are the ideal compromise for ladies ?

Or perhaps even nice, assertive, intelligent guys who don't think women are some alien species that they can't approach/talk to/have a relationship with? :cool:

c-note · 15-10-2010 10:02PM

steve06 wrote: »

Nice guys get the girl in the end? Only after she's tired of shagging all the bad boys!

That is so true. I find more than half girls my age (20's) to be whores of babylon. Theres a few girls i've fancied until i found out how much they've sleep around. Not saying theres anything wrong with it but they can keep their goo, thanks very much.

Cavehill Red · 15-10-2010 10:05PM

HavingCrack wrote: »

RoverJames wrote: »

So perhaps chaps that look like bad boys but are really nice and law abiding are the ideal compromise for ladies ?

You mean a boy band member ? :P

The opposite of a boy band member, surely?
After all, they all look like girly boys in whose mouths butter wouldn't melt, but generally are skeezy drug taking maniacs in it for the moolah and groupies.

Napper Hawkins · 15-10-2010 10:10PM

liah wrote: »

Or, you know, most women go for confident men who bitter men are jealous of and these bitter men then try to call themselves "nice guys" (aka, guys who have very little confidence and completely overglorify women and essentially have no backbone) and then get pissed off when they're turned down by a woman who can see through the act.

But clearly #1 is far more appealing an answer ("all women are bitches and only date rich model-lookalikes") rather than actually facing up to one's shortcomings and moving to work on them.

Spot on.

starlit · 15-10-2010 10:19PM

Dudess wrote: »

Seriously though, "nice guy" as in doormat... well that's just not attractive. Nice guy as in: not an asshole but who still has a backbone and confidence, I'd believe the stuff about them getting the girl in the end. Those women who do go for bastards (not as many as one would be led to believe by some men here) usually grow out of it and ultimately opt for the former - as is the case with most people. Maturing.

Ickle Magoo wrote: »

Or perhaps even nice, assertive, intelligent guys who don't think women are some alien species that they can't approach/talk to/have a relationship with?

My type of guy! mmm take me out might be a prime example of the difference!!:D

DublinWriter wrote: »

...no you haven't.

I'm sorry what?

c-note wrote: »

That is so true. I find more than half girls my age (20's) to be whores of babylon. Theres a few girls i've fancied until i found out how much they've sleep around. Not saying theres anything wrong with it but they can keep their goo, thanks very much.

Not every woman is a whore! There are women who do not sleep around and rather sleep with someone in an inclusive relationship.

c-note · 15-10-2010 10:49PM

snuggles285 wrote: »

Not every woman is a whore! There are women who do not sleep around and rather sleep with someone in an inclusive relationship.

yup your right. thats my experience too. but with less than half the girls i know:

c-note wrote: »

I find more than half girls my age (20's) to be whores of babylon.

HavingCrack · 15-10-2010 11:05PM

c-note wrote: »

That is so true. I find more than half girls my age (20's) to be whores of babylon. Theres a few girls i've fancied until i found out how much they've sleep around. Not saying theres anything wrong with it but they can keep their goo, thanks very much.

Bit of a contradiction there much

15-10-2010 11:07PM

c-note wrote: »

That is so true. I find more than half girls my age (20's) to be whores of babylon. Theres a few girls i've fancied until i found out how much they've sleep around. Not saying theres anything wrong with it but they can keep their goo, thanks very much.

So a woman who sleeps around is whore? She can't just like sex and not want a relationship, no? What number of people is she allowed sleep with before she's unacceptable?

How many is it ok for you to sleep with?

starlit · 15-10-2010 11:09PM

28064212 wrote: »

So a woman who sleeps around is whore? She can't just like sex and not want a relationship, no? What number of people is she allowed sleep with before she's unacceptable?

How many is it ok for you to sleep with?

So you mean to say that its acceptable for a guy to sleep around but not a woman? Typically for both sexes if they can limit it 5-10 or under they be doing well! If most were in inclusive relationships I'd be more happier about that sort of thing, if its casual then I be a bit concerned if they are being overly experienced.:o

Scuid Mhór · 15-10-2010 11:21PM

28064212 wrote: »

So a woman who sleeps around is whore? She can't just like sex and not want a relationship, no? What number of people is she allowed sleep with before she's unacceptable?

How many is it ok for you to sleep with?

it's just not fair, 28064212!

if a girl sleeps with a bunch of guys, she's a slut. but if a guy sleeps with a bunch of guys, he's a homosexual.

Dudess · 15-10-2010 11:31PM

"A man can sleep around, no questions asked. But if a woman makes 19 or 20 mistakes, she's a tramp."

Ulysses Gaze · 15-10-2010 11:32PM

28064212 wrote: »

So a woman who sleeps around is whore? She can't just like sex and not want a relationship, no? What number of people is she allowed sleep with before she's unacceptable?

How many is it ok for you to sleep with?

+1

It shouldn't really matter at all.

starlit · 15-10-2010 11:38PM

No-one should have to settle for second best though! The heart will only get broken.:(

15-10-2010 11:47PM

Question for all of the women.

Say you meet a guy who lets say isn't the best looking but is a millionaire and lets say your a stunner. And you really love him.

Would you enter a Prenuptial agreement if you wanted to get married to him?

I bet 90% wouldn't.

starlit · 15-10-2010 11:53PM

Unrequited love is such a pain for both parties involved.

Mak_United wrote: »

Question for all of the women.

Say you meet a guy who lets say isn't the best looking but is a millionaire and lets say your a stunner. And you really love him.

Would you enter a Prenuptial agreement if you wanted to get married to him?

I bet 90% wouldn't.

Honestly if that were the case for me, yes I would enter a pre-nuptial agreement as I am not a gold digger!

Personally even if I loved him I wouldn't go for a millionaire! I'd rather looks over money and loved the guy but not necessarily be a hunk! Personality and sense of humour is what would win me over the most!

15-10-2010 11:59PM

Mak_United wrote: »

Question for all of the women.

Say you meet a guy who lets say isn't the best looking but is a millionaire and lets say your a stunner. And you really love him.

Would you enter a Prenuptial agreement if you wanted to get married to him?

I bet 90% wouldn't.

How are his looks relevant? And if they wouldn't enter into a reasonable pre-nup (not leaving them completely penniless), then they don't really love him

Dudess · 16-10-2010 12:00AM

Mak_United wrote: »

Question for all of the women.

Say you meet a guy who lets say isn't the best looking but is a millionaire and lets say your a stunner. And you really love him.

Would you enter a Prenuptial agreement if you wanted to get married to him?

I bet 90% wouldn't.

Question for all of the men:

Some men seem like right fucking women haters who really enjoy making nasty assumptions and generalisations about women. Are you one of those men?

I bet 90% are.

Kimono-Girl · 16-10-2010 12:02AM

Mak_United wrote: »

Question for all of the women.

Say you meet a guy who lets say isn't the best looking but is a millionaire and lets say your a stunner. And you really love him.

Would you enter a Prenuptial agreement if you wanted to get married to him?

I bet 90% wouldn't.

i would, money isn't everything you know!

starlit · 16-10-2010 12:04AM

28064212 wrote: »

How are his looks relevant? And if they wouldn't enter into a reasonable pre-nup (not leaving them completely penniless), then they don't really love him

Better to have loved than not have loved at all!

16-10-2010 01:32AM

Dudess wrote: »

Question for all of the men:

Some men seem like right fucking women haters who really enjoy making nasty assumptions and generalisations about women. Are you one of those men?

I bet 90% are.

Well i found one person who wouldn't.
:pac:

kowloon · 16-10-2010 01:33AM

Dudess wrote: »

"A man can sleep around, no questions asked. But if a woman makes 19 or 20 mistakes, she's a tramp."

19 or 20? Half that and take away the remainder. Women should be unspoilt and pure, lest ye have a basis for comparison and are able to judge our skills in the bedroom. You're essentially single use products.

johnn · 16-10-2010 01:46AM

liah wrote: »

Yep, you caught us, we all love only bad boys and assholes, all we concern ourselves with are sizes (of your wallet and penis, heart is obviously irrelevant), we only ever pick men who make millions and look like supermodels and give us stuff, and we hate all nice guys and secretly laugh at them behind their backs with our asshole boyfriends.

Well as long as you're admitting it then.....bitches.

Johro · 16-10-2010 01:47AM

Okay if we're somewhere in between 'nice guy' and 'bad boy'? Jesus I hate that term.. Isn't it all relative really? I mean, what constitutes a nice guy or a tw*t is a matter of personal opinion I would think, and I don't think it's as simple or clear cut as that. Women aren't either nice girls or bitches. They can be either, or both, or anything, don't people just act in different ways depending on the circumstances?
Those kind of articles remind me of the kind of survey where they ask ya to answer a,b,c or d as to what you would do in some social setting to determine what type of person you are (ya know the type), and I would usually not do any of the options suggested.
I think it's all boll#cks. I think ya can be a nice guy without being a spineless wimp, or a sometimes 'bad boy' without being a nasty sh!t.

K-9 · 16-10-2010 02:02AM

The first article was ok, probably some truth to it.

Often nice guys aren't nice guys at all, only in their own head, probably someones ex at some stage.

Others are just too nice.

The second article hurts my eyes, and is nonsense.

Third piece wasn't bad. Love is a drug. "It's the second biggest addiction in the world. The first is money" to quote the esteemed Frank Gallagher.

liah · 16-10-2010 02:14AM

A legitimately nice guy isn't a guy who's a doormat or who does literally anything for the girl. A legitimately nice guy is a guy who has a sense of compassion and understanding but has enough self-confidence to not get taken advantage of.

A self-proclaimed "nice guy" is rarely the aforementioned. In my experience they're often bitter, weasly bastards who decry other men to make themselves seem better, inventing strategies to try and "win her over," often trying to make themselves interested in her interests to make themselves seem more appealing.. they're just.. creepy. I mean, fair enough, you want to impress a girl, but so many guys compromise themselves and just go along with whatever she wants, and no sensible girl wants that, it's not healthy.
Not to mention they often pick girls who are way out of their league or are just not suitable to them personality-wise and then claim all women are horrible because those girls turned them down.

Those "nice guys" often feel they're "entitled" to the girl they've developed affections for, they get this idea that they're such a lovely guy and any girl who doesn't love them is a superficial bitch. Which is utterly ridiculous, there's SO many other factors that decide compatibility, but it makes them feel better and as I said earlier, it's much easier to say all girls are horrible than to take a good, hard look at yourself.

I actually really resent the "nice guys," I don't trust them, not one bit. Any guy who tries to actively engineer me into liking him pisses me the hell off. It's so creepy and calculated and conniving. I want a guy who will fight me when I'm wrong, not some simpering idiot who falls over himself to agree with anything I say.

I also hate assholes, for the record.

Fizman · 16-10-2010 02:20AM

colc1 wrote: »

.......which I think needs to be unconditional like with your family/friends just with the lustful, sexual element added on.

Dude! Eeeeeewwwwww.

Johro · 16-10-2010 02:28AM

liah wrote: »

A legitimately nice guy isn't a guy who's a doormat or who does literally anything for the girl. A legitimately nice guy is a guy who has a sense of compassion and understanding but has enough self-confidence to not get taken advantage of.

A self-proclaimed "nice guy" is rarely the aforementioned. In my experience they're often bitter, weasly bastards who decry other men to make themselves seem better, inventing strategies to try and "win her over," often trying to make themselves interested in her interests to make themselves seem more appealing.. they're just.. creepy. I mean, fair enough, you want to impress a girl, but so many guys compromise themselves and just go along with whatever she wants, and no sensible girl wants that, it's not healthy.
Not to mention they often pick girls who are way out of their league or are just not suitable to them personality-wise and then claim all women are horrible because those girls turned them down.

Those "nice guys" often feel they're "entitled" to the girl they've developed affections for, they get this idea that they're such a lovely guy and any girl who doesn't love them is a superficial bitch. Which is utterly ridiculous, there's SO many other factors that decide compatibility, but it makes them feel better and as I said earlier, it's much easier to say all girls are horrible than to take a good, hard look at yourself.

I actually really resent the "nice guys," I don't trust them, not one bit. Any guy who tries to actively engineer me into liking him pisses me the hell off. It's so creepy and calculated and conniving. I want a guy who will fight me when I'm wrong, not some simpering idiot who falls over himself to agree with anything I say.

I also hate assholes, for the record.

I totally agree.:D
Nah, I don't. You do realise a guy couldn't win either way.
For the record, everyone hates assholes. And I don't believe in 'out of my league'. Too many guys do, and so don't bother to ask.

Mrmoe · 16-10-2010 02:38AM

liah wrote: »

Not to mention they often pick girls who are way out of their league or are just not suitable to them personality-wise and then claim all women are horrible because those girls turned them down.

I hope there is the option for promotion in this league system or at least the option to be bought out by a Saudi Sheik or Russian oil tycoon.:pac:

liah wrote: »

Those "nice guys" often feel they're "entitled" to the girl they've developed affections for, they get this idea that they're such a lovely guy and any girl who doesn't love them is a superficial bitch.

Good point. People can't force people to like or love them. It's not the same as baking a cake.

IT-Guy · 16-10-2010 02:39AM

liah wrote: »

A legitimately nice guy isn't a guy who's a doormat or who does literally anything for the girl. A legitimately nice guy is a guy who has a sense of compassion and understanding but has enough self-confidence to not get taken advantage of.

A self-proclaimed "nice guy" is rarely the aforementioned. In my experience they're often bitter, weasly bastards who decry other men to make themselves seem better, inventing strategies to try and "win her over," often trying to make themselves interested in her interests to make themselves seem more appealing.. they're just.. creepy. I mean, fair enough, you want to impress a girl, but so many guys compromise themselves and just go along with whatever she wants, and no sensible girl wants that, it's not healthy.
Not to mention they often pick girls who are way out of their league or are just not suitable to them personality-wise and then claim all women are horrible because those girls turned them down.

Those "nice guys" often feel they're "entitled" to the girl they've developed affections for, they get this idea that they're such a lovely guy and any girl who doesn't love them is a superficial bitch. Which is utterly ridiculous, there's SO many other factors that decide compatibility, but it makes them feel better and as I said earlier, it's much easier to say all girls are horrible than to take a good, hard look at yourself.

I actually really resent the "nice guys," I don't trust them, not one bit. Any guy who tries to actively engineer me into liking him pisses me the hell off. It's so creepy and calculated and conniving. I want a guy who will fight me when I'm wrong, not some simpering idiot who falls over himself to agree with anything I say.

I also hate assholes, for the record.

Marry me! Ha!

Seriously though, I agree with most of what you say - I used be one of those guys that was always a "friend" when it came to women, I went out of my way to be nice and non-threatening without realizing I was pissing all over what it means to be a man - I wasn't being myself. Once you're happy in your skin that's all that matters, doesn't matter where you're from or what you do. Unfortunately there are quite a lot of men and women who stereotype you as soon as you tell them what you do or where you're from. I'm always wary of someone who's first few questions after being introduced are to ask what you do and where you're from, seems like they're trying to put you in a particular 'category' so they know how to deal with your 'type' rather than find out who you are as a person. But I digress...

No, the nice guy doesn't always get the girl cos as Liah mentioned in a previous post, the nice guy is normally a bitter fu**er who mistakes confidence for arrogance because only he truly 'knows' what confidence is. I know a few gorgeous girls through work who have a few male friends who are just waiting for their moment, it's friendship under false pretences in my book. Wish someone pointed this crap out to me about 10 years ago! Though I'd have probably thought he was an arrogant asshole! Unfortunately strong, assertive people are regarded as assholes by those who don't know what they want or how to express what they want in a confident manner.

Nice guys get the girl in the end, look of lust and love on the brain!?

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