Once a Catholic, always a Catholic.

PeterIanStaker · 12-10-2010 07:27PM

Canon law is horsesh!t, if they're this desperate, they must know that their reign is coming to a close, in another 10 years, churches will be near empty.

Rabble Rabble · 12-10-2010 07:30PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

It is for me. It is when those people are deluded by listening to him and don't know any better.

Utter Rubbish. Firstly the idea assumes that Catholics in Africa ( but only in Africa) ignore the main "sin" which is, you know, the sex outside marriage thing but get timid about the condoms. It ignores African hostility to condoms regardless of religion, Christian, or native. It ignores that all religions in the area, with few exceptions, oppose condoms and sex outside marriage. It apparently is the kind of cant believed by Brainiacs who think that Africa was colonised only by Catholic powers, it ignores the actual statistics which show the main problems in Southern Africa are in largely protestant parts of the old British Empire.

Amazing how many free thinkers can't do even the most basic empirical research,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate

This map is even more telling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HIV_Epidem.png. Central African republics which are Catholic majority are an oasis of - by the standards of Africa - low incidence of AIDS.

Even worse for the ArchBishop of Canterbury - the British colonies in South America ( Guyana and Belizes) seem to be the places where the epidemic is at it's peak there.

McChubbin · 12-10-2010 07:30PM

This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUVNZFylTdo

KeithAFC · 12-10-2010 07:33PM

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

Utter Rubbish. Firstly the idea assumes that Catholics in Africa ( but only in Africa) ignore the main "sin" which is, you know, the sex outside marriage thing but get timid about the condoms. It ignores African hostility to condoms regardless of religion, Christian, or native. It ignores that all religions in the area, with few exceptions, oppose condoms and sex outside marriage. It apparently is the kind of cant believed by Brainiacs who think that Africa was colonised only by Catholic powers, it ignores the actual statistics which show the main problems in Southern Africa - largely protestant and the old British Empire.

Amazing how many free thinkers can't do even the most basic empirical research,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate

Why is it that so many scientists are grilling the pope over this? Richard Dawkins being just one of them. And it can't just be down to because he dislikes religion.

Its because its true, the pope spreads likes about condoms and doesn't care.

TheZohanS · 12-10-2010 07:35PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Once you go Catholic, you never go back.

Because nobody likes to be raped?

JohnathanM · 12-10-2010 07:37PM

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

Utter Rubbish. Firstly the idea assumes that Catholics in Africa ( but only in Africa) ignore the main "sin" which is, you know, the sex outside marriage thing but get timid about the condoms. It ignores African hostility to condoms regardless of religion, Christian, or native. It ignores that all religions in the area, with few exceptions, oppose condoms and sex outside marriage. It apparently is the kind of cant believed by Brainiacs who think that Africa was colonised only by Catholic powers, it ignores the actual statistics which show the main problems in Southern Africa - largely protestant and the old British Empire.

Amazing how many free thinkers can't do even the most basic empirical research,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate

I can't help thinking that real problem is not social, but that he will argue that the use of condoms is not a preventive measure. He's simply trying to scare the weak minded into his own, twisted way of thinking. Don't you dare have sex! Even with a rubber you're gonna die! Truly disgusting, these opinions can only do harm to those who believe them, and retard intelligent attempts to hinder a problem. You don't care about statistics when you're one of them.

Teutorix · 12-10-2010 07:40PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Im happy im not a catholic with that church.

What? there is only one catholic church.

Helix · 12-10-2010 07:41PM

orourkeda wrote: »

The most sensible approach would be to avoid baptising your child and allow them to opt in or out when they grow up as they can make an informed choice if they want to choose catholicism

which would be great if you could get them into school in ireland without being baptised and jumping through hoops:mad:

fontanalis · 12-10-2010 07:58PM

Teutorix wrote: »

What? there is only one catholic church.

Off topic; there may be a catholic and roman catholic church.
There was a radio show on about Dublin and there was a protestant church but it caleld itself catholic. Somehow they claimed to be seperate from roman catholicism. Anyone know anything about this?

furiousox · 12-10-2010 07:59PM

Mwah-ha-ha, too late Ratzi
I got 'ibtl' and opted out well over a year ago, free at last....free at last!:)

El Siglo · 12-10-2010 08:17PM

feelingstressed wrote: »

Ratzinger was conscripted into the Nazi Youth, required to be there by law.
I don't see how anyone can hold that against him, he was only 14 at the time

At 14, who here would take a stand and refuse
Sure it was 1941, what else can you do? Go into hiding or try to skip into Switzerland?

This one was only six years older than Joey Ratzinger, and she got the chop (quite literally) for her part in the White Rose resistance. This chap, although ten years older than Ratzinger, was a member of the Hitler Youth in 1933. He left it and founded the White Rose. Now just because somebody's young, it doesn't mean that they don't know right from wrong.

Nevyn · 12-10-2010 08:26PM

Terry wrote: »

I'm sure there's something under the FOI act which will allow people access to their records.

Church records are exempt from FOI and data protection.

12-10-2010 08:41PM

Helix wrote: »

which would be great if you could get them into school in ireland without being baptised and jumping through hoops:mad:

I don't know how, but I have friends who are born-again christians, he is Northern Irish, she's South African, and the kids are in Catholic schools (primary and secondary). Neither of them is Catholic and the kids certainly we not baptised. Similiarly two South African friends, neither with any Catholic background, kids not baptised, started their eldest in a Catholic primary school this year. I shall have to ask them how they managed that one.

bleg · 12-10-2010 08:45PM

Glad I left whilst I had the chance!

rhythm90 · 12-10-2010 08:46PM

Truth be told lads....

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/300676/trap.jpg

bonerm · 12-10-2010 08:51PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

Helix · 12-10-2010 08:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know how, but I have friends who are born-again christians, he is Northern Irish, she's South African, and the kids are in Catholic schools (primary and secondary). Neither of them is Catholic and the kids certainly we not baptised. Similiarly two South African friends, neither with any Catholic background, kids not baptised, started their eldest in a Catholic primary school this year. I shall have to ask them how they managed that one.

are they in a small populated area where there's plenty of room for kids? it only seems to be a massive issue in bigger places, where catholics get priority

Liam Byrne · 12-10-2010 08:56PM

fontanalis wrote: »

If there can be Canon Law, can I make up Fuji Law or Flying Spaghetti Monster Law?

It'd have to be Epson Law or Olivetti Law.

Fuji & Flying Spaghetti Monsters don't make printers.

12-10-2010 08:57PM

Helix wrote: »

are they in a small populated area where there's plenty of room for kids? it only seems to be a massive issue in bigger places, where catholics get priority

The latter couple, yeah, but the first ones... nope, south Dublin suburb! Very curious how they managed that one then, and even though they're pretty anti Catholic, said they mostly approve of the religious education their kids are recieving, they just sent them off every day reminding them not to pray to Mary

Liam Byrne · 12-10-2010 09:03PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

I was forced to make my communion and conformation.

Interesting typo, because it's the first time that I noticed what that particular "sacrament" probably really means.

Callan57 · 12-10-2010 09:24PM

I remember a nun in Secondary School fadó, fadó & she was a great one for posing the 'If you were on trial for being a Catholic, would there be enough evidence to convict you?'
We spent many a Friday last class mulling over how profound that was! Bet she never thought there would be a demand for an 'opt out of the Catholic Church' option! You have to laugh!

Executive Steve · 12-10-2010 09:36PM

fontanalis wrote: »

Off topic; there may be a catholic and roman catholic church.
There was a radio show on about Dublin and there was a protestant church but it caleld itself catholic. Somehow they claimed to be seperate from roman catholicism. Anyone know anything about this?

"Catholic" simply means "universal" or "pertaining to all mankind".

Every Church of Ireland service includes the recitation of the Apostle's Creed or the Nicene Creed which includes the phrase "We believe in one Catholic and Apostolic Church"

What people are talking about in this thread is the ROMAN Catholic Church.

All mainstream churches in Ireland are Catholic, but not all are Roman Catholic.

Liam Byrne · 12-10-2010 09:51PM

Executive Steve wrote: »

"Catholic" simply means "universal" or "pertaining to all mankind".

Only with a small "c".

orourkeda · 12-10-2010 10:02PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

It is for me. It is when those people are deluded by listening to him and don't know any better.

Is it that they listen to the pope or simply dont have the money, knowledge or means to protect themsleves.

orourkeda · 12-10-2010 10:04PM

Helix wrote: »

which would be great if you could get them into school in ireland without being baptised and jumping through hoops:mad:

Who do we blame for that, the church or ourselves for letting it happen.

godanicus · 12-10-2010 10:12PM

orourkeda wrote: »

I'm not defending the pope. The suggestion that he participated in acts of genocide though is a touch dramatic isn't it. If you can show me that he was involved in mass murder I'd love to see it. As I mentioned earlier I doubt the fact that he was involved in this is something that he is particularly proud of but I feel it is overblown.

Is this not the same agruement for God, ask for you to believe me when i say he exists with no proof,lol. :cool:

Johro · 12-10-2010 10:12PM

orourkeda wrote: »

The most sensible approach would be to avoid baptising your child and allow them to opt in or out when they grow up as they can make an informed choice if they want to choose catholicism

True. Because then, most likely, they won't.

littlehedgehog · 12-10-2010 10:12PM

I get where you guys are coming from with the whole "I don't go to church anymore, therefore, I'm not a member"

But - The church still lists you as a member. The more members they have, the more power the have, the more tax breaks, and the bigger sway they have with governments.

That's why I opted out. I didn't want my name used to back up their statistic of x% of people are Catholics, therefore, this is a Catholic country.
I didn't want my name used to lobby the government to not have same sex marriage, gay adoption, or whatever sad, hateful, resentful, vicious ideas they come up with.

Whether or not I'm still listed as a member.. well, that's up for debate now I guess!

orourkeda · 12-10-2010 10:20PM

Johro wrote: »

True. Because then, most likely, they won't.

Pretty simple solution I thought.

bronte · 12-10-2010 10:21PM

http://www.ehow.com/how_2073700_get-excommunicated.html

I think I'll go down the create a shism route meself!

Once a Catholic, always a Catholic.

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