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Dublin Marathon 2010

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  • #422
    Condo131
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Condo131


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    xebec wrote: »
    Last year and this year look identical to me (and not just because you posted the same link twice :P) - what's the change in the first mile?
    OOps!:o Map link now corrected.

    Not sure what the change is - normally run the first mile with the pack, but didn't last year.

    In July, I was in contact with the Marathon office and they said that there is a minor change in the first mile, but that "you'd hardly notice it". I got the details ...and promptly forgot them.... I'm not too bothered about the first mile. Comparing this year's map and last year's profile, there doesn't seem to be any difference. Might be a change of just a few metres, due to course realignment - footpath/traffic island mods, etc, in which case few people are likely to notice.


  • #423
    xebec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    meathcountysec wrote: »
    The start in Fitzwilliam heads towards Leeson Street as opposed to Holles Street

    Same as last year so ;) Think it was the previous that was the last time it headed towards Holles St, I definitely ran up to Leeson St last year!


  • #424
    pdiddyw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭pdiddyw


    something to get you guys revved up.....


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8XSit8XyeM


  • #425
    seanin4711
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    Speedy44 wrote: »
    what pace are you doing your lsr's at? Do you eat before them, how is your sleep? All there will be factors to consider. What time did you do in Athlone?

    1 around 8min30 sec per mile
    2 generally yes
    3 not great as 2 babies under 2 1/2 at home so sleeping pattern all over the shop atm.
    4 splits per 1/3 of 19.6miles 58/59/1:14

    exactly the same when i did LSR of 20 miles legs went at 16/17 and struggled from there on!
    The problem is I think that i find it really hard to hold myself back at the start of a run when i feel good and go 8 1/2 min miles only to pull up later.
    my plan is to go with the 4 hour pacers and take it from there.
    advice on eating half way or 3/4 on the DCM yes or no?
    good or bad what you think?
    thanks for the advice!
    s


  • #426
    xebec
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    seanin4711 wrote: »
    1 around 8min30 sec per mile
    2 generally yes
    3 not great as 2 babies under 2 1/2 at home so sleeping pattern all over the shop atm.
    4 splits per 1/3 of 19.6miles 58/59/1:14

    exactly the same when i did LSR of 20 miles legs went at 16/17 and struggled from there on!
    The problem is I think that i find it really hard to hold myself back at the start of a run when i feel good and go 8 1/2 min miles only to pull up later.
    my plan is to go with the 4 hour pacers and take it from there.
    advice on eating half way or 3/4 on the DCM yes or no?
    good or bad what you think?
    thanks for the advice!
    s

    Either you're selling yourself seriously short by going for 4:00 or you have been running your LSRs far too fast, I suspect the latter... Someone aiming for 4:00 should be doing their LSRs at about 10:00/mile or more, not over 30 seconds per mile faster than target race pace - it's no wonder you have been finding it so hard later in the runs... Stick with the pacers for Dublin and you should find it easier. Might be something to learn from for your next marathon...


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  • #427
    Clearlier
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    seanin4711 wrote: »
    1 around 8min30 sec per mile
    2 generally yes
    3 not great as 2 babies under 2 1/2 at home so sleeping pattern all over the shop atm.
    4 splits per 1/3 of 19.6miles 58/59/1:14

    exactly the same when i did LSR of 20 miles legs went at 16/17 and struggled from there on!
    The problem is I think that i find it really hard to hold myself back at the start of a run when i feel good and go 8 1/2 min miles only to pull up later.
    my plan is to go with the 4 hour pacers and take it from there.
    advice on eating half way or 3/4 on the DCM yes or no?
    good or bad what you think?
    thanks for the advice!
    s

    Seanin, I'd pretty much agree with Xebec. I'm hoping for somewhere between 3:15 and 3:30 and you start your long runs off faster than I do. It's a little late now but for the next one it might be worth copying the Kenyans for some of your long ones. They like to start off runs really, really slowly, speed up for the middle and finish fast. It gives you a nice confidence boost amongst other things.

    It definitely sounds like you'd benefit from taking on some kind of nutrition but don't wait until halfway. Your body can only absorb food at a certain rate so you need to start taking in calories long before you think that you need them. Also, don't wait until the day itself practice between now and then. It's not that hard to drink from a bottle of sports drink but it's not water. More importanly, you need to learn how you react to them and ideally test what's going to be provided in the race itself. Sports drinks are fine with me but I need to be careful of gels.

    Sounds like your pacing strategy will help you in the marathon.


  • #428
    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
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    4 stars (good)
    Done my last LSR yesterday evening all the hard work done at this stage so roll on the sub 3.30 attempt in two weeks


  • #429
    slipshod
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    pdiddyw wrote: »
    Hi first timer..
    So just wondering if the course is the exact same as last year?
    If so is there any info on course profile.. i.e mile 1-2flat, mile 3 some uphill, mile 4-6 some down hill etc.......apologies if its already been posted but didn't see it...

    Here's a video of the entire 26.2 which might help:

    http://dublinmarathon.ie/general_course.php


  • #430
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,214 ✭✭✭plodder


    4 stars (good)
    There's an interesting presentation about energy gels just been mentioned on the marathon site. The file is actually on highfive's web site here .

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • #431
    ronnie085
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    4 stars (good)
    getting worried now, 15 miler yesterday after a weeks taper and felt like s***e, legs like lead, high HR, slow pace, only bad day at office i hope, let the nerves begin:eek::eek::eek:


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  • #432
    Krusty_Clown
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    ronnie085 wrote: »
    getting worried now, 15 miler yesterday after a weeks taper and felt like s***e, legs like lead, high HR, slow pace, only bad day at office i hope, let the nerves begin:eek::eek::eek:
    Don't worry. Everyone feels like this. That's why it's called taper madness. For my last couple of tapers I didn't begin to feel rested until I was at the 5 mile marker in the race!


  • #433
    ronnie085
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    Ah the self doubt starting to kick in, training went very well for last 4 months, just cant wait to do it justice on the day. The GF cant wait either, my 'taper madness' is turning into her taper madness;)


  • #434
    dowlinj
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    plodder wrote: »
    There's an interesting presentation about energy gels just been mentioned on the marathon site. The file is actually on highfive's web site here .

    I had a read of this today. Seems to indicate that you need to take around 10 gels on board during the race. Is this just High5 trying to flog more gels or is this a strategy that many would employ?

    I was planning on taking around 5 PowerBar gels on the day with water and then drinking energy drinks where made available. I assume the 10 gel strategy would be based on the assumption that the individual doesn't take any energy drinks on board during the race?


  • #435
    rainbow kirby
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    dowlinj wrote: »
    I had a read of this today. Seems to indicate that you need to take around 10 gels on board during the race. Is this just High5 trying to flog more gels or is this a strategy that many would employ?

    I was planning on taking around 5 PowerBar gels on the day with water and then drinking energy drinks where made available. I assume the 10 gel strategy would be based on the assumption that the individual doesn't take any energy drinks on board during the race?

    I think 3-5 would be closer to what most people would take on (ie. taking on a gel every 5-8 miles). 10 seems like way too much, even if High5 gels are smaller than some others on the market.


  • #436
    Woddle
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    I was part of their study in 2008 and having only used the odd gel before the DM08, I took one every 25mins and I think I had 11 in total. I definitely felt huge benefits from it. I'm a little bit lucky in that I have a strong stomach and was able to tolerate it.
    Now the other side of the coin, while training for Paris09 I trained with hi5 and I tried the same tactic of every 25 mins, felt nothing, so I came to the conclusion that my body was to use to them and therefore my body didn't get the effect.
    For my next marathon, I'll train without gels and will more than likely go for 1 every 25 mins.
    Also on the night of DM08 I was wired and found it very hard to sleep, possibly because of all the caffiene from the gels. Hope that helps a little.

    I should probably add that the reason I think every 25 mins is good for me is because I don't eat the morning of a marathon, so it was a good way for me to keep on top of my carbs.


  • #437
    jb-ski
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    Woddle wrote: »
    I
    For my next marathon, I'll train without gels and will more than likely go for 1 every 25 mins.

    every 25 minutes from Start?? or a what point would you suggest taking 1st gel?
    i train without water & gels/drinks etc, and would like to keep Gel intake to a minimum to avoid stomach probs but will drink 'lots' of energy drink.

    i realise definitive answer impossible , but all opinions welcome.


  • #438
    Krusty_Clown
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    Personally I tend to take them at miles 6, 12, 18 and another one then around 22-24 miles. But they are isotonic gels so don't pack quite the same carb punch as other gels. I don't take any before the start and instead sip on a sports drink or bottle of water.


  • #439
    Izoard
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    1 every 3 miles from mile 9 = 6 total.
    Power Bar Lemon & Lime.


  • #440
    pauldry
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    3 stars (average)
    doing my 20 miler tomorrow and im dreadin it. Esp as most of it will be in the dark. any of the rest of ye run in the dark. Had a go at 20mile a week and a bit ago but only got to 18.7 mile coz got sick and had to stop and a week before that did 18 mile but 2moro the last long one b4 the big un and I just want to do it. I see ppl on this doing miles in 8min 30secs etc but it takes me ages to do one. Have problems with flexibility and tightish hamstrings all the time. Last year the DCM took me 4hr 31mins but this year I have estimated 4hr 48mins though the longest I have ran so far this year is 3hr 38mins for the 18.7miler. Cant wait till big day though and I hope I stay injury free the crowd gives you such a big lift on the day and the supporters are great. Looking at the long range forecast and it is looking cold and wet at present.


  • #441
    Woddle
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    jb-ski wrote: »
    every 25 minutes from Start?? or a what point would you suggest taking 1st gel?
    .

    I took my first one about 20 mins before the start and then every 5k. I think that's 9 in total, I had thought it was 11 but probably the brain playing tricks.


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  • #442
    RayCun
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    pauldry wrote: »
    doing my 20 miler tomorrow and im dreadin it. Esp as most of it will be in the dark. any of the rest of ye run in the dark. Had a go at 20mile a week and a bit ago but only got to 18.7 mile coz got sick and had to stop and a week before that did 18 mile but 2moro the last long one b4 the big un and I just want to do it. I see ppl on this doing miles in 8min 30secs etc but it takes me ages to do one. Have problems with flexibility and tightish hamstrings all the time. Last year the DCM took me 4hr 31mins but this year I have estimated 4hr 48mins though the longest I have ran so far this year is 3hr 38mins for the 18.7miler.

    If you've already done the marathon you know you can cover the distance. I don't think you're going to get much benefit from doing 20 miles now, just two weeks out from the run. You should be giving your body time to recover, and cutting down the mileage instead.

    Also, if you are going to run it, don't run it at marathon pace. Your long runs should be run slower than your race pace. If you run 20 miles at race pace today you will not recover completely before the marathon.


  • #443
    Badbark
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    pauldry wrote: »
    doing my 20 miler tomorrow and im dreadin it. Esp as most of it will be in the dark. any of the rest of ye run in the dark. Had a go at 20mile a week and a bit ago but only got to 18.7 mile coz got sick and had to stop and a week before that did 18 mile but 2moro the last long one b4 the big un and I just want to do it. I see ppl on this doing miles in 8min 30secs etc but it takes me ages to do one. Have problems with flexibility and tightish hamstrings all the time. Last year the DCM took me 4hr 31mins but this year I have estimated 4hr 48mins though the longest I have ran so far this year is 3hr 38mins for the 18.7miler. Cant wait till big day though and I hope I stay injury free the crowd gives you such a big lift on the day and the supporters are great. Looking at the long range forecast and it is looking cold and wet at present.

    I would strongly advise against running 20 miles two weeks before a marathon. It takes the body between 3 and 4 weeks to recover from a 20 mile run and running for 3:38 last week should be more than enough preparation to get you round.


  • #444
    robinph
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    Woddle wrote: »
    I took my first one about 20 mins before the start and then every 5k. I think that's 9 in total, I had thought it was 11 but probably the brain playing tricks.

    They say on the packets to take one 10 minutes before starting exercise and then another every 20 minutes. The ones you had though were potentially just flavoured goo, but I think you got the genuine ones with the caffeine.


  • #445
    Cartman78
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    Badbark wrote: »
    I would strongly advise against running 20 miles two weeks before a marathon. It takes the body between 3 and 4 weeks to recover from a 20 mile run and running for 3:38 last week should be more than enough preparation to get you round.

    At this stage, if you have tight hammys, I would recommend for a sports massage or dry needling rather than doing a 20 mile run


  • #446
    plodder
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    dowlinj wrote: »
    I had a read of this today. Seems to indicate that you need to take around 10 gels on board during the race. Is this just High5 trying to flog more gels or is this a strategy that many would employ?
    They do seem to be pimping their product as much as they can. For instance, I don't see any particular reason to take gels before hand as opposed to a sports drink, and 10 does seem like a lot.
    I was planning on taking around 5 PowerBar gels on the day with water and then drinking energy drinks where made available. I assume the 10 gel strategy would be based on the assumption that the individual doesn't take any energy drinks on board during the race?
    That's what I was planning as well. I bought a pile of them on Saturday, but I realise now, that I've only three with caffeine. From what they are saying, the caffeine improves the takeup rate. So, I'm thinking I might use ones with caffeine only, though the range of flavours is a bit limited. Also, the PowerBar gels are only slightly larger than HighFive. There's very little difference.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • #447
    Mick Rice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭Mick Rice


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    Starting to really get in the humour for Dublin now. I absolutely always look forward to this race but when I'm in reasonable shape it's even more of an attraction. Haven't really had long to get ready for this after an ultra in the summer, but things have come around in the last couple of weeks and my last 'blast' yesterday went better than I could have hoped for. I haven't actually raced a marathon in a few years and so this should be fun from that point of view at least. Have a pb of 2:46 to shoot at...that could be tricky, but a decent first half would give me a shot.

    The gradual wind-down starts now ...


  • #448
    seanin4711
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    Done 12.5 last night and felt good after it.its really a discipline issue with me to restrain myself from letting my keys take off by themselves.
    Anyway 12.5 miles average pace 9.35 min/mile so going the right way.
    Might be too late for this year but its a learning curve.
    Slan
    S


  • #449
    pdiddyw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭pdiddyw


    pauldry wrote: »
    doing my 20 miler tomorrow and im dreadin it. Esp as most of it will be in the dark. any of the rest of ye run in the dark. Had a go at 20mile a week and a bit ago but only got to 18.7 mile coz got sick and had to stop and a week before that did 18 mile but 2moro the last long one b4 the big un and I just want to do it. I see ppl on this doing miles in 8min 30secs etc but it takes me ages to do one. Have problems with flexibility and tightish hamstrings all the time. Last year the DCM took me 4hr 31mins but this year I have estimated 4hr 48mins though the longest I have ran so far this year is 3hr 38mins for the 18.7miler. Cant wait till big day though and I hope I stay injury free the crowd gives you such a big lift on the day and the supporters are great. Looking at the long range forecast and it is looking cold and wet at present.

    Dry needling as "Cartman78" suggested is def an option or else a deep tissue massage on those tight hamstrings and calves....- this would be of more benefit than another 20 mile run...
    Just to be aware if you do avail of dry needling it will prevent you from training for a day or two..but it can release muscle knots alot quicker and more effectively than a general massage,,,,either way therapist will advise you on which is best for you...


  • #450
    Woddle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    Mick Rice wrote: »
    Starting to really get in the humour for Dublin now. I absolutely always look forward to this race but when I'm in reasonable shape it's even more of an attraction. Haven't really had long to get ready for this after an ultra in the summer, but things have come around in the last couple of weeks and my last 'blast' yesterday went better than I could have hoped for. I haven't actually raced a marathon in a few years and so this should be fun from that point of view at least. Have a pb of 2:46 to shoot at...that could be tricky, but a decent first half would give me a shot.

    The gradual wind-down starts now ...

    Me too even though I'm not running, maybe this can add to the good humour
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056057622


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  • #451
    Badbark
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    I've checked the official site and found that the water bottles will be 250ml but can't find any info on the Energise sports drinks. Does anyone know the amount of ml in these drinks supplied during the marathon?


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