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Scumbag sues Garda

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Well first of all I was correct because it was obvious that somebody who looks so calmly at a situation like this has not experienced crime because the most rational person in the world will feel anger towards anyone of this ilk for a crime committed against them.

    Of course I look at it calmly, it didn't impact on me personally! Were I do get all het up about every criminal enterprise carried out in this country my blood pressure would pop my eyeballs out!!

    Tell me though, do you truly believe that the gardai should have the unique perogative to ignore the law and act as vigilantes?
    SEcondly I would prefer if you did away with the fascist name calling as I have not called you any names during this discussion and would appreciate if you tried the same.

    LOL, you've a short memory there bub. Not ten posts ago, you referred to people who think like me as bleating "neo-liberals". I, on the other hand, have yet to label you as anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Ok then, can people who are applauding the gaurd answer this question for me:

    Should the gardai, the force designed to uphold the laws of the land, be allowed to ignore, and indeed break those very laws, and engage in vigilante style behaviour when the mood takes them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    CorkMan wrote: »
    What is the wet towel?

    Get a wet towel and use it like a whip. The pain is excrusiating but it leaves no bruises..:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    -Corkie- wrote: »
    The Gardai should still have the powers to kick the living crap out of fellas like this. Our jails wouldnt be half as full. Bring back the wet towel it put manners on a lot of scumbags..

    Yeah, just act the McBrearty's up in Donegal. Nothing could possibly go wrong when the gaurds abandon the rule of law...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Problem is by law you cant do this.

    Thankfully, the reality is alot different.

    Well done chaps. Good job.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Justice is a strange beast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    snyper wrote: »
    Problem is by law you cant do this.

    Thankfully, the reality is alot different.

    Well done chaps. Good job.

    Hence the gaurd broke the law. And should be prosecuted. Glad we're in agreement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    Einhard wrote: »
    Ok then, can people who are applauding the gaurd answer this question for me:

    Should the gardai, the force designed to uphold the laws of the land, be allowed to ignore, and indeed break those very laws, and engage in vigilante style behaviour when the mood takes them?

    I asked a similar question here earlier Einhard, and surprise surprise, nobody wants to answer :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    You're on AH - do you really need someone to tell you the answer?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 P1e9t3e5r


    These hooligans deserve all they get, of course, within the law. Every day someone gets battered to death by these useless scum usually in their twenties. This week we have a 72 year old man raped and battered in Cavan, an unfortunate Polish man killed on his way to work in North Dublin (a right scum area), a man killed because he was driving too slow and I could go on ...... These all committed by drug or alcohol induced scum bags who will be looking for their "rights" when arrested. If I was a Garda I'd know the "rights" I'd give them. They are all a boil on society's bum.

    Just what is this country coming to ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    Sand wrote: »
    Justice is a strange beast.

    Karma is one cool bitch !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    Morkarleth wrote: »
    You're on AH - do you really need someone to tell you the answer?

    You talkin' to me? :cool:

    I realise 100% where I am. While some of the posts are not meant to be funny, they are most certainly a joke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    P1e9t3e5r wrote: »
    This week we have a 72 year old man raped and battered in Cavan, an unfortunate Polish man killed on his way to work in North Dublin (a right scum area), a man killed because he was driving too slow and I could go on ...... These all committed by drug or alcohol induced scum bags who will be looking for their "rights" when arrested.

    How do you know exactly? AKAIK, nobody has been charged in two of those incidents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,299 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    P1e9t3e5r wrote: »
    North Dublin (a right scum area)

    The particular area in which that happened was a scummy area, but no need to tar half the city with the same brush ;)

    Hope the scumbag referred to in the OP and the one responsible for the death of this polish lad both get what's coming to them - prison, for a very, very long time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    I asked a similar question here earlier Einhard, and surprise surprise, nobody wants to answer :(

    Hmmm maybe I should repeat it until someone has the courage of their cyber convictions and answers?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    You talkin' to me? :cool:

    I realise 100% where I am. While some of the posts are not meant to be funny, they are most certainly a joke.

    Sorry, I didn't mean to sound confrontational. It's just that... AH is not exactly somewhere you go for reasoned opinions, we both know that.

    The only answer given will be along the lines of him "getting what was coming to him".
    I'm just glad that we have no such people in government.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    P1e9t3e5r wrote: »
    These hooligans deserve all they get, of course, within the law. Every day someone gets battered to death by these useless scum usually in their twenties. This week we have a 72 year old man raped and battered in Cavan, an unfortunate Polish man killed on his way to work in North Dublin (a right scum area), a man killed because he was driving too slow and I could go on ...... These all committed by drug or alcohol induced scum bags who will be looking for their "rights" when arrested. If I was a Garda I'd know the "rights" I'd give them. They are all a boil on society's bum.

    Just what is this country coming to ?

    I remember hearing about an 80 year old man got broken into. 3 scumbags in total.

    1 took his valuables and the other 2 tied him up and gave him a fierce hiding. These "people", or "humans" as they are labelled where all 18-26 years of age.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    CorkMan wrote: »
    I remember hearing about an 80 year old man got broken into. 3 scumbags in total.

    1 took his valuables and the other 2 tied him up and gave him a fierce hiding. These "people", or "humans" as they are labelled where all 18-26 years of age.

    I thought the 1 was an I. :o

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    K-9 wrote: »
    I thought the 1 was an I. :o

    Had to laugh! CorkMan's guilty conscience getting the better of him!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Einhard wrote: »
    Hmmm maybe I should repeat it until someone has the courage of their cyber convictions and answers?

    I think you'll find that they want the cops to beat up the scumbags but they wouldn't have the courage of their convictions and give the cops legal protections to beat people up.
    You might find one or two who would like to change the law to allow it, but if you ask them to define the parameters of this law, they won't be able to.

    But mostly, it's the usual suspects who like to make reactionary noises without any substance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    dvpower wrote: »
    But mostly, it's the usual suspects who like to make reactionary noises without any substance.

    True and then if they were a victim of these new laws, they'd make more reactionary noises.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    biko wrote: »
    Rodney King a la Ireland :D
    Minus the riots. :)
    I remember the Summer of '92. The Gardaí chased a few of us at about 4am. When I say "chased", I mean that we ran for nothing when we saw them.

    A couple of friends had just finished their JC and we were out celebrating and being loud in suburbia at mad hours of the morning.

    We were running along some grass. I was way ahead of everyone until I stepped into a hole and fell.
    Got back up, and hid in the first garden I reached. The Gardaí saw me, followed me in and ran past me. I was hiding behind a small wall at the side of the house.
    A clever person would have ran back out at this point, but alcohol had gotten the better of me. I just assumed they would run out the other side of this detached house. A boot up the arse proved me wrong.

    They draged me into the front garden, pinned me against the wall and told me to get my (slightly long, but not too long) hair out of my face.
    I did so, but it wasn't long enough to put behind my ears.
    I got a slap in the face and was told to get my hair of my face again. This happened four or five times.

    Then one of them said "I'd ask you who was with you, but you probably wouldn't tell me, would you?" I said no.
    Had he just asked who was with me, without the get out clause, I would have ratted out every last one of them. I told my friends that too.
    They said they would have done the same thing. They were all hiding in different gardens in the same cul de sac and could hear the slaps I was given.

    I didn't sue the state.

    Ahh, memories.

    Oh yeah. I seem to remember saying something about Rodney King to them. That was what prompted my needless story here.
    My friends had to stifle their laughter about that one, lest they be caught.
    DB10 wrote: »
    The real scum here is the gardai, which is usually the case, 10 of them battering a poor man half to death. Just because they can.

    ****ing pig should rot in prison, they will take care of his arse in there....dirty pig ****....:cool:
    Battered half to death?
    Where did you pull that from?
    Hmm, I don't think you'd have the same attitude if it was your son who got his face knocked in by a couple of guards who caught him pissing down a back alley on a Saturday night after a bellyful of beer.
    My father was killed by a hit and run driver. I would have liked the Gardai to catch him that night and kick the crap out of him. Unfortunately he got away.
    Eight years later and I'm still very bitter about that. I can't see that changing any time soon.

    I'm not bitter about the few slaps mentioned above. Nor am I bitter about the new recruits to Leixlip in 1993 who gave my friend a black eye and kicked me in the nuts twice.
    My friend didn't deserve the black eye, but I punched one of the Gardaí (I just saw someone hitting my friend. Didn't actually know he was a cop and acted on instinct.).

    They called themselves the Death Squad.
    It's laughable now, but it kept me out of trouble until I lost my mind in 2002.

    Point is, sometimes the Gardaí are actually right when they kick the crap out of someone.

    CorkMan wrote: »
    Damn scumbag, they should have killed him and dumped him in the sewer/under 2 feet of mud.

    His family already took enough money off the state through their heroin rehabilitation programs, now he is taking money through this bullcrap.
    Source?

    Einhard wrote: »
    I think you should check yours while your at it. The officer in question took the law into his own hands which is completely incompatible with any notion of justice. He's a gaurd, not a vigilante, and people should remember that before congratulating him.

    Incidentally, the scumbag hasn't been convicted of anything either.
    I'm not a judge, but if I was I would definitely find him guilty.

    Let's look at the facts.
    He admitted to this crime. He was arrested at the scene of the crime.
    That's enough for me.

    -Corkie- wrote: »
    Get a wet towel and use it like a whip. The pain is excrusiating but it leaves no bruises..:)
    The fear of that kept me from havng any dealings with the Gardaí until I was 15.
    I'd be up for bringing it back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Glaringly obvious then that you have never been the victim of serious crime. Also the Garda Siochana are allowed use reasonable restraint. Which in the case of somebody who has admitted drinking and taking drugs all day would be pretty much what Mr Maughan claims was done to him, because anybody wired on drink and drugs is not going to be non violent.



    I spend all my working hours with people who take drugs, my team often have to make decisions that to say they do not like would be a significant understatement. I have has to stand my ground on issues like child protection etc, things can indeed get a tad hairy. However, whilst we encounter a lot of acting out, it only becomes violent on a few occasions. Drug use in and of itself does not equate with violence.

    I also spent some of my time in the prisons, and I think that this chap deserves jail time. However, reasonable force is just enough force to control the situation, it does not equate with knocking the bo!!ocks out of someone. If it turn out that this cop went overboard he should be dealt with the same as the person he arrested. Within a society the criminal is entitled to the same rights as the victim, just because they abandon society’s laws it does not mean we lower ourselves to the same level. Law enforcement is there to enforce the laws, not to hand out punishments!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭thebullkf


    Roaster wrote: »
    They should be given a medal!

    Scum like that should have no rights whatsoever.



    ffs.:rolleyes:







    *who decides enough is enough??-the day the guards self regulate you can forget about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    snyper wrote: »
    Problem is by law you cant do this.

    Thankfully, the reality is alot different.

    Well done chaps. Good job.

    Sounds like they ****ed up tbh, 10 of them and all he needed was a few bandages?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    TBH, when I hear about Gardai getting physical with law abiding people who are going about their normal bussiness without bothering anyone else, I'll get worried about police brutality and killer cops.

    Some scumbag who raced down a quay with drink and drugs on putting the lives of dozens if not hundreds in danger getting a few smacks and bruises?

    My heart bleeds. Literally, I'm welling up with tears.

    And lets not forget, this all assumes anything this scumbag says is true. We've got a young Guard, whose out there doing more good for society than anything that piece of human waste has ever done being put under the cosh. Where are our priorities?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭NewHillel


    Roaster wrote: »
    Scum like that should have no rights whatsoever.
    Agreed, we should just execute them and get it over with. :rolleyes:

    (Democracy is sooo overrated. )


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭seven-iron


    Gardai need to get off their power trips. Hope he gets what is just; for hurting the guy driving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭Johnny Utah


    I know of this guy. Hes a absolute scumbag.

    You know Garda Curtis?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    NewHillel wrote: »
    Agreed, we should just execute them and get it over with. :rolleyes:

    (Democracy is sooo overrated. )

    Well America is a democracy and it has the death penalty. Lets not forget in the States sometimes if a scummer gets on the polices nerves they get into their plainclothes, put on the mask and kill the bastard.

    I read many stories of pure scum constantly causing police hassle in the US, they got told leave town or else...


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