Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Crash · 06-10-2010 02:24PM

davidpfitz wrote: »

I agree ... but this amazingly, this was said:

'The panel took into account the player's previous good disciplinary record before they imposed a sanction of seven weeks' suspension.'

I would say by good disciplinary record they mean the fact that he hasn't been cited and found guilty before - yellow cards would presumably be considered dealt with at the time.

padser · 06-10-2010 02:45PM

davidpfitz wrote: »

I agree ... but this amazingly, this was said:

'The panel took into account the player's previous good disciplinary record before they imposed a sanction of seven weeks' suspension.'

That's potential a legal issue that they are trying to avoid. He has not previously been cited and found guilty of serious fouls.

If they don't say they have taken into account his previous good disciplinary record, he could potentially appeal on the grounds that his 'good' disciplinary (and lack of citings are a fair grounds for argument that you have a 'good' record) record was not taken into account.

Happens in courts as well a fair bit

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2010 07:47PM

thehighground wrote: »

Darran Cave made a horendous tackle on Dowling last year which he was yellow carded for. I think he would have been cited if it had not been dealt with on the pitch. (If that wasn't the reason, the IRFU should be ashamed of themselves).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HIczcxOxHs

Clearly accidental on Cave's part. Didn't make position himself in any way to hit Dowling and the collision knocked him off his own feet. I don't see who in their right mind would think that a player would intentionally run head-first into an opponents knee. Not only that but he gets up immediately to apologise. There was never any chance of that going any further

Comparing that to Mafi (who intentionally punched D'Arcy in the back of the head, a move thats even illegal in UFC MMA) is ludicrous.

Amazotheamazing · 06-10-2010 08:10PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Clearly accidental on Cave's part. Didn't make position himself in any way to hit Dowling and the collision knocked him off his own feet. I don't see who in their right mind would think that a player would intentionally run head-first into an opponents knee. Not only that but he gets up immediately to apologise. There was never any chance of that going any further

Comparing that to Mafi (who intentionally punched D'Arcy in the back of the head, a move thats even illegal in UFC MMA) is ludicrous.

Here's a better video of Cave's clash with Dowling. It's reckless, not intentional, but players do get cited for reckless play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrTferRTp_g&feature=related

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2010 08:23PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Here's a better video of Cave's clash with Dowling. It's reckless, not intentional, but players do get cited for reckless play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrTferRTp_g&feature=related

Looking at that here it's actually much clearer that Cave was in the air as well, eyes on the ball. The only thing that caused the unfortunate result was the fact that Dowling outjumped him. Is it reckless of him to contest the ball in the air? I don't think so.

thehighground · 06-10-2010 08:29PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Clearly accidental on Cave's part. Didn't make position himself in any way to hit Dowling and the collision knocked him off his own feet. I don't see who in their right mind would think that a player would intentionally run head-first into an opponents knee. Not only that but he gets up immediately to apologise. There was never any chance of that going any further

Comparing that to Mafi (who intentionally punched D'Arcy in the back of the head, a move thats even illegal in UFC MMA) is ludicrous.

Why the yellow card then?

Most the citings are accidental (i.e., Jennings v Kennedy for example). You still get punished for it.

PS - didn't D'Arcy have a go at Mafi later - evened things out a bit

bleg · 06-10-2010 08:46PM

I don't know why Munster fans are complaining... We don't have to put up with Mafi's poor play and reckless tackling for 7 weeks minimum.

He doesn't pass.
He can't kick.
He's not creative.
His disciplinary record is awful.

I'm glad he's banned, he's a weak link, a liability.

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2010 08:52PM

thehighground wrote: »

Why the yellow card then?

Most the citings are accidental (i.e., Jennings v Kennedy for example). You still get punished for it.

PS - didn't D'Arcy have a go at Mafi later - evened things out a bit

Cave was never going to get cited for it. And it didn't happen.

A lot of citings are accidental, correct. Don't see how that's relevant. Mafi's was not accidental, and he got deservedly punished.

thehighground · 06-10-2010 09:01PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Cave was never going to get cited for it. And it didn't happen.

A lot of citings are accidental, correct. Don't see how that's relevant. Mafi's was not accidental, and he got deservedly punished.

Its relevant because you seemed to think you can't get cited even if it was accidental and you can get a ban even if there was no intent.

Profiler · 06-10-2010 09:06PM

thehighground wrote: »

Why the yellow card then?

Most the citings are accidental (i.e., Jennings v Kennedy for example). You still get punished for it.

PS - didn't D'Arcy have a go at Mafi later - evened things out a bit

:rolleyes: Ahh yes, would this be like the punches you "saw" Leo Cullen throw in the Quinlan gouging?

thehighground · 06-10-2010 09:08PM

bleg wrote: »

I don't know why Munster fans are complaining... We don't have to put up with Mafi's poor play and reckless tackling for 7 weeks minimum.

He doesn't pass.
He can't kick.
He's not creative.
His disciplinary record is awful.

I'm glad he's banned, he's a weak link, a liability.

Is there someone complaining about Mafi's ban?

Who would you have in the centre/wing for the Australian game in his absence (bearing in mind we will be down Earls & Johne Murphy to international squad duties and Dowling, Jones & B.Murphy are injured?

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2010 09:11PM

thehighground wrote: »

Its relevant because you seemed to think you can't get cited even if it was accidental and you can get a ban even if there was no intent.

Incorrect.

In the case of a player being taken out in the air, a lack of intent will make it very unlikely that the player at fault will be cited. That's a pretty obvious one right there. eg. Cave/Trimble last week/any other amount of players taken out in the air.

In terms of player being severely struck, or in cases of contact to the eye area, then a lack of intent is less of a saving grace. eg. Sexton/Mafi/Jennings

Amazotheamazing · 06-10-2010 09:13PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Looking at that here it's actually much clearer that Cave was in the air as well, eyes on the ball. The only thing that caused the unfortunate result was the fact that Dowling outjumped him. Is it reckless of him to contest the ball in the air? I don't think so.

It actually is in this instance, if it wasn't we would see people upending every fullback under the guise of "sorry ref, I was jumping for the ball, no idea how he landed on his head"

thehighground · 06-10-2010 09:13PM

Profiler wrote: »

:rolleyes: Ahh yes, would this be like the punches you "saw" Leo Cullen throw in the Quinlan gouging?

It was a joke comment. D'Arcy had a few digs at Mafi in the handbags after he high tackled Kearney.

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2010 09:17PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

It actually is in this instance, if it wasn't we would see people upending every fullback under the guise of "sorry ref, I was jumping for the ball, no idea how he landed on his head"

You're right. But I think it is still harsh to overly blame Cave in this instance.

For example in this particular incident, he leaves the ground around the same time as Dowling before either player has the ball. I don't see what else he could have done.

Amazotheamazing · 06-10-2010 09:19PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

You're right. But I think it is still harsh to overly blame Cave in this instance.

For example in this particular incident, he leaves the ground around the same time as Dowling before either player has the ball. I don't see what else he could have done.

Hard to know, I think he could have been cited but I don't think it's a travesty he wasn't.

thehighground · 06-10-2010 09:22PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Incorrect.

In the case of a player being taken out in the air, a lack of intent will make it very unlikely that the player at fault will be cited. That's a pretty obvious one right there. eg. Cave/Trimble last week/any other amount of players taken out in the air.

In terms of player being severely struck, or in cases of contact to the eye area, then a lack of intent is less of a saving grace. eg. Sexton/Mafi/Jennings

But the disciplinary procedures/results are a joke in the Magners mainly. We're not on the same page if you think Sexton/Hayes got fairly short bans because of lack of intent. If Jennings had done what he did in the Magners he wouldn't have been banned long enough to make the return trip to Australia.

irishbucsfan · 06-10-2010 09:27PM

thehighground wrote: »

But the disciplinary procedures/results are a joke in the Magners mainly. We're not on the same page if you think Sexton/Hayes got fairly short bans because of lack of intent. If Jennings had done what he did in the Magners he wouldn't have been banned long enough to make the return trip to Australia.

I only used those players as an example.

I don't see where you could disagree with what I said. I've never seen any examples of anything to the contrary

guapos · 07-10-2010 01:04PM

Is there a full sized sports hall attached to Thomond Park. I've read about it in planning permission but couldn't find anything on the stadiums website.

Thanks.

phog · 07-10-2010 01:33PM

guapos wrote: »

Is there a full sized sports hall attached to Thomond Park. I've read about it in planning permission but couldn't find anything on the stadiums website.

Thanks.

No, there isnt a full size sports hall. They have a fairly big conference suite, over looking the pitch.

They may have access to a sports hall in LIT - the rugby team themselves us UL as a base.

buck65 · 07-10-2010 03:15PM

O Leary ruled out with thumb injury for 6 weeks.

Podge_irl · 07-10-2010 05:00PM

buck65 wrote: »

O Leary ruled out with thumb injury for 6 weeks.

Wonder which of the squad broke it.

PhatPiggins · 07-10-2010 06:33PM

buck65 wrote: »

O Leary ruled out with thumb injury for 6 weeks.

OK a what stage are we going to consider it an injury crisis? Couple of more injuries to the backs and we're in trouble

Jersey Girl · 07-10-2010 07:25PM

He's out for at least eight. Will miss opening rounds of the Heineken Cup and the November internationals.:mad:

thomond2006 · 07-10-2010 10:28PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/my_club/gloucester/9070906.stm

Former munsterman John O'Sullivan is on the bench this weekend for Agen as they host Gloucester.

Also, Newcastle beat Bourgoin 22-16. Reading between the lines on MFs, Tim Ryan had a great game.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/my_club/newcastle/9067640.stm

SomeFool · 08-10-2010 01:18AM

Ryan did well when he came on, Manning had a good game I thought but the overall affair was pretty dismal and at times nasty. Newcastles skills coach, if they have one, should be shot as some of the passing/handling was terrible.

heybaby · 08-10-2010 09:15AM

Jersey Girl wrote: »

He's out for at least eight. Will miss opening rounds of the Heineken Cup and the November internationals.:mad:

Its probable according to media reports, personally I wouldnt be greatly disappointed by O'leary's absence, after an initial period when he suceeded stringer for both munster and ireland when he played well, he regressed as a player, with his speed of delivery from rucks being very very suspect, never more so than on the southern hemisphere tour in the summer. I recall several attempts to pass the ball from the base of a ruck which resulted in the ball dribbling along the ground rather than hitting the first receiver square at chest level. Yes o leary is more physical than stringer by virtue of being bigger, but stringer offers greater urgency and speedier delivery.

buck65 · 08-10-2010 10:17AM

What about O Leary's pace? Neither Stringer or O Gara have the ability to make a break consistently.
O Leary is a massive loss to us , even on the bench.
The same about Mafi. Sure he can be headless but boy can he put in a hit. Again a big loss to the panel.
Munster don't ever really get going till Heineken Cup Rd 1 why people are ruling out players so early in the season is beyond me.
Some of the comments on this forum baffle me.

heybaby · 08-10-2010 10:42AM

buck65 wrote: »

The same about Mafi. Sure he can be headless but boy can he put in a hit. Again a big loss to the panel.

Mafi is a very different and less effective player since Tipoki left Munster, he is very one dimensional, like kevin maggs of old he can put in a hit, but thats about it. Mafi needs a partner to be effective, he hasnt found one since tipoki left.

buck65 · 08-10-2010 10:52AM

So you give him one game this season where the ball hardly went beyond 10 to make this judgement.

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