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Enda Kenny puts votes before the national interest

  • 02-10-2010 07:14PM
    #1
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭


    Reading the Times this morning I was shocked to see a small article quoting kenny.

    While Kenny accepts that the Tallaght Accord years ago was in the national interest and actually benefitted the country he has ruled out any notion of 'Tallaght II' based on the fact that it could cost FG Votes.

    Who the the hell is advising this idiot?


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  • #2
    meditraitor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    whippet wrote: »
    Reading the Times this morning I was shocked to see a small article quoting kenny.

    While Kenny accepts that the Tallaght Accord years ago was in the national interest and actually benefitted the country he has ruled out any notion of 'Tallaght II' based on the fact that it could cost FG Votes.

    Who the the hell is advising this idiot?

    My understanding is that the government are not giving the opposition any budget information with which to formulate a plan to help with the current economical problems.

    Why would any party publish any proposals without the information,basic data? that would be playing into FF hands.


  • #3
    Breezer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Breezer


    I read that as well. Certainly quite odd-sounding, but bear in mind that it wasn't a direct quote. Until I see or hear a direct quote, I'd take it with a pinch of salt.


  • #4
    Shea O'Meara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Shea O'Meara


    Costing votes could mean if they go against laid down FG policy just as much as it could to pandering to popularity. So I'm unsure if the quote is a good or bad one for FG.


  • #5
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Considering that I believe letting FF anywhere near power is against the national interest, I think the title of this thread is misleading.


  • #6
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Supporting Fianna Fail is not in the National Interest. Fianna Fail is not the country, contrary to what some on here would like to have us all think. Forget Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail are the ultimate Me Feiners.


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  • #7
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    At this stage it is in the countries best interest to haul FF out of Government and leave them in the wilderness for a very long period of time. Therefore I'd agree with Endas position to not enter into any agreements with them.

    In fact I am puzzled it took them so long to end the vote pairing scheme. That should have been ended back in 2007 and they should have been doing everything in their power to get FF out of power.


  • #8
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭whippet


    meditraitor wrote: »
    My understanding is that the government are not giving the opposition any budget information with which to formulate a plan to help with the current economical problems.

    Why would any party publish any proposals without the information,basic data? that would be playing into FF hands.

    not quite true

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1002/tax.html


  • #9
    The Raven.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭The Raven.


    gandalf wrote: »
    At this stage it is in the countries best interest to haul FF out of Government and leave them in the wilderness for a very long period of time. Therefore I'd agree with Endas position to not enter into any agreements with them.

    +1
    Cowen will listen to Opposition proposals

    The Taoiseach has said it is in the national interest to hear constructive proposals from all parties on restoring economic growth to Ireland.
    Brian Cowen said he would be making facilities and personnel available in the Department of Finance to answer queries and listen to ideas on overcoming the challenges ahead.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1002/tax.html

    In theory this should have always been the norm, but I wouldn't trust Fianna Fail with any information on proposals, and I doubt if the other parties will either.

    Fianna Fail have made a mess of the economy, now they want to use other party proposals to clean it up, while they claim the credit for it. The sooner they are gone the better.


  • #10
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭whippet


    Breezer wrote: »
    I read that as well. Certainly quite odd-sounding, but bear in mind that it wasn't a direct quote. Until I see or hear a direct quote, I'd take it with a pinch of salt.


    exactly what he said was

    "The problem for Fine Gael at that time was that while it was wonderful from a national perspective to support the Tallaght strategy, Fine Gael had no power or influence over it, and suffered at the polls as a consequence"

    From that it is quite clear that Kenny sees votes are more important to any potential strategy to help the country.

    The lack of a credible opposition, which is becoming more and more apparent every day makes it hard to tow the line that getting rid of FF is the only option.

    The electorate is blinded by the headlines, I couldn't fathom the amount of support and the hero status for that clown who drove the truck in to the gates of leinster house. First off, in most other nations driving a HGV at government buildings would have resulted in the driver being shot before he got there .... the 'hero' has now stung Anglo for a couple of million. If idiots like him didn't take out these loans for pure greed and fuelling the property bubble we wouldn't be in this state.

    Yes the banks etc ... are to blame but so are the idiots who took out these massive loans and can't pay them.


  • #11
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    whippet wrote: »
    The electorate is blinded by the headlines

    Including yourself, apparently....
    whippet wrote: »
    I couldn't fathom the amount of support and the hero status for that clown who drove the truck in to the gates of leinster house.

    Check for the latest video; apparently all of the news headlines and soundbites from TDs were bare-faced lies.


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  • #12
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    whippet wrote: »
    exactly what he said was

    "The problem for Fine Gael at that time was that while it was wonderful from a national perspective to support the Tallaght strategy, Fine Gael had no power or influence over it, and suffered at the polls as a consequence"

    From that it is quite clear that Kenny sees votes are more important to any potential strategy to help the country.

    I'm confused as to why you'd be upset at someone telling the truth. That's what happened.

    Screw Fianna Fail. Sooner they're out the better. Enda and Eamon may not do better, but it's very hard to see how they'd do worse than the current FF government who speak of FG having no track record.

    No track record is a hell of a lot better than FF's track record.


  • #13
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    gandalf wrote: »
    In fact I am puzzled it took them so long to end the vote pairing scheme. That should have been ended back in 2007 and they should have been doing everything in their power to get FF out of power.

    The problem is that the vote-sharing scheme has a legitimate use - sometimes TDs and Ministers have a genuine reason for leaving the country.

    A total end would have become very embaressing for FG very quickly.


  • #14
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭whippet


    johngalway wrote: »


    No track record is a hell of a lot better than FF's track record.

    This is my biggest problem with the hysterical mania out there at the moment.

    We need a government that can steer this country through a crisis of epic proportions. So the notion of anyone but FF is scary, Labour have over 30% of the opinion polls ... and they can't offer anything but comic analogies and sound-bytes .... the electorate voted bertie back while he was trying to explain away his dig out .... this same electorate will vote either Gilmore or Kenny at the main man .... time to start thinking rationally and have a look across all parties and see who has talent to offer.

    Personally I can see a case for new party made up talent from both FF & FG .. but our civil war democracy will ensure any new party will fail.


  • #15
    Johnny Murphy FF
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭Johnny Murphy FF


    whippet wrote: »
    Reading the Times this morning I was shocked to see a small article quoting kenny.

    While Kenny accepts that the Tallaght Accord years ago was in the national interest and actually benefitted the country he has ruled out any notion of 'Tallaght II' based on the fact that it could cost FG Votes.

    Who the the hell is advising this idiot?

    There called Fine Gael, the party of idiots!


  • #16
    meditraitor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    whippet wrote: »
    not quite true

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1002/tax.html

    Why are they only doing it now when the country is foooked? sneaky shower of wasters tried to wriggle their way out of the mess they created and now when they know there is no way back they try to bring the opposition in to help out.

    If I was the opposition I wouldnt lift a finger to help them criminals (FF/Greens), in less than a year we will be shot of them:mad:


  • #17
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    The_Minister wrote: »
    The problem is that the vote-sharing scheme has a legitimate use - sometimes TDs and Ministers have a genuine reason for leaving the country.

    A total end would have become very embaressing for FG very quickly.

    Actually whatever keeps our current Government TD's and Ministers from leaving the country is saving us from embarrassment.

    I think its embarrassing that FG and others have been facilitating the inept with this scheme for so long.

    At this stage all opposition parties should have one objective and that's to get those that have ruined this country out of power as quickly as possible to limit the further damage that they can do.


  • #18
    91011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭91011


    Kenny's statement basicaly says it all.
    eff what would be good the country it's me me me!

    " On Friday, Mr Kenny ruled out what would effectively be a new version of the so-called 'Tallaght Strategy', on the grounds that while it may be good for the country, it would cost Fine Gael votes. "

    Lets just gets rid of Kenny - he has NEVER shown anything to me to suggest he would be a capable leader. Richard Bruton as leader + Noonan in Finance coupled with Lenihan & Joan Burton in a Country First Party Second concensus is what we need righjt now - not in 3 months time, not early next year but right now is when we need joined up thinking in the interests of the country.


  • #19
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    91011 wrote: »
    Kenny's statement basicaly says it all.
    eff what would be good the country it's me me me!

    " On Friday, Mr Kenny ruled out what would effectively be a new version of the so-called 'Tallaght Strategy', on the grounds that while it may be good for the country, it would cost Fine Gael votes. "

    Lets just gets rid of Kenny - he has NEVER shown anything to me to suggest he would be a capable leader. Richard Bruton as leader + Noonan in Finance coupled with Lenihan & Joan Burton in a Country First Party Second concensus is what we need righjt now - not in 3 months time, not early next year but right now is when we need joined up thinking in the interests of the country.

    I heard this on Friday and was gonna post it, but had no source that went with it.

    WTF Enda!!!!!!!!


  • #20
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    91011 wrote: »
    Kenny's statement basicaly says it all.
    eff what would be good the country it's me me me!

    " On Friday, Mr Kenny ruled out what would effectively be a new version of the so-called 'Tallaght Strategy', on the grounds that while it may be good for the country, it would cost Fine Gael votes. "

    Source ?

    How much of the above is what Kenny ACTUALLY said, and how much of it is spin along the lines of the Sindo claiming that Lenihan is trusted ?


  • #21
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    It was repeated in an interview on the radio


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  • #22
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Already being discussed lads.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056049827


  • #23
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Vanity, Ambition and personal recognition are all attributes that the majority of high level political figures possess.

    This isn't really a surprise.


  • #24
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭whippet


    gandalf wrote: »
    Actually whatever keeps our current Government TD's and Ministers from leaving the country is saving us from embarrassment.

    I think its embarrassing that FG and others have been facilitating the inept with this scheme for so long.

    At this stage all opposition parties should have one objective and that's to get those that have ruined this country out of power as quickly as possible to limit the further damage that they can do.


    hold on a tick, didn't the opposition look for budgetary measures to further inflate the property bubble at the end off the boom? Didn't they want stamp duty more or less abolished to encourage it?

    Don't delude yourselves in to thinking that the opposition would have done any better.


  • #25
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    whippet wrote: »
    hold on a tick, didn't the opposition look for budgetary measures to further inflate the property bubble at the end off the boom? Didn't they want stamp duty more or less abolished to encourage it?

    Don't delude yourselves in to thinking that the opposition would have done any better.

    This kind of deflection is really pathetic. The opposition were just that. They were not in power they did not have the information available to them that the Government did.

    TBH I don't delude myself at all, I base my opinions on the actions of those who were supposed to be leading us and ensuring this country has a sustainable direction in the coming years.

    The FF led Governments instead have bankrupted the country and ensured that not only my generation but the next will pay a very heavy price for their inadequate stewardship of the economy.


  • #26
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭whippet


    gandalf wrote: »

    The FF led Governments instead have bankrupted the country and ensured that not only my generation but the next will pay a very heavy price for their inadequate stewardship of the economy.

    and based on what the opposition wanted to do they would have steered the ship in to the same iceberg. You can't belittle these facts. What you now want is to replace the government with another government who will probably follow the same policies.

    Call a spade a spade


  • #27
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    whippet wrote: »

    Call a spade a spade

    Speculating on what the opposition would have done is just that and IS deflection from the actual facts.

    However we can see what this FF governments have done including the lunacy that is the Bank Guarantee scheme.

    FF ruined this country not what the opposition MIGHT have done.


  • #28
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭whippet


    gandalf wrote: »
    Speculating on what the opposition would have done is just that and IS deflection from the actual facts.

    However we can see what this FF governments have done including the lunacy that is the Bank Guarantee scheme.

    FF ruined this country not what the opposition MIGHT have done.

    you might see it as deflection ... but I see it as basis of forming a view for the next general election which I believe is very close.

    Unlike the media driven electorate I will be going back over the last few years to see the policies that were suggested by the opposition ... an opposition's track record is as important as that of the government's.

    Ignoring these facts to spite a government isn't a proper basis for informed voting.


  • #29
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Johnny Murphy FF wrote: »
    There called Fine Gael, the party of idiots!

    As opposed to Fianna Fail the developers party or maybe the banking party, or sure isn't bertie great even though everyone knows his corrupt party, the ray bourke party or maybe the Liam Lawlor party, the Galway i'll scratch your back if you scratch mine party, the charlie haughey party etc.. ect.. the list could go on forever!

    Before you throw out ill thought out comments maybe you should look closer to home!


  • #30
    daltonm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭daltonm


    My reading of his statement was that the next budget will be so severe that FF will be ousted.

    They know that FF will not be in power in 12 months time because of the budget and simply will not put their name to it in any way shape or form.


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  • #31
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭whippet


    daltonm wrote: »
    My reading of his statement was that the next budget will be so severe that FF will be ousted.

    They know that FF will not be in power in 12 months time because of the budget and simply will not put their name to it in any way shape or form.

    you must have missed quite a bit of the statement, as he was quite clear on two facts

    1- The Tallaght Accord was good for the country
    2 - It cost FG votes

    Therefore he isn't prepared to loose FG votes even if it is in the best interest of the country.


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