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"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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    #1262
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    keppler wrote: »
    IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE YOU ARE A LIAR
    In the weird, deranged world of creationists, ignorance isn't so much an excuse as a way of life.

    Please cut out the personal insults.


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    #1263
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    Improbable wrote: »
    To be perfectly honest, I don't even know why we're still trying. Clearly there is no point at all.

    Well, he's less likely to corrupt minds here than in the BCP thread over yonder. Keep him distracted, I say.


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    #1264
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    sponsoredwalk wrote: »
    Did you watch the video properly? Did you see the part where it says that there are 40 different homologues? :rolleyes: How is there chance involved when 40 structures are pulling up similar structures J C? How???????????:pac::mad::):D;):rolleyes::P:(:eek::o:p
    Chance isn't involved ... that is my point ... such Complex tightly specified functional structures are always intellignently designed.


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    #1265
    sponsoredwalk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    J C wrote: »
    Chance isn't involved ... that is my point ... such Complex tightly specified functional structures are always intellignently designed.

    Through the process of evolution, call that intelligence all you want, I have
    no problem with that. In fact it is extremely intelligent in a sense (not in the
    way you mean)    . This derrogatory view of pond-slime to man still holds, I suggest
    you study it properly from now on instead of knocking off 1 liners that
    are supposed to be witty but simply highlight the gut reactions of someone
    who can't face reality. Oh, and there is an element of chance, always...
    Again, not in the way you think - that's why I've advised you to study it
    properly. I would have thought that you being a scientist would mean you
    understand the theory you hate so much and know all about it - I think
    you should learn this theory inside out - properly - so that you can
    intelligently disprove it.


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    #1266
    equivariant
    Registered Users Posts: 966 ✭✭✭equivariant


    J C wrote: »
    ... OK ... let us look at what happened when a (Muslim) Neurosurgeon and Creation Scientist, Dr. Oktar Babuna, tried to question some Evolutionist ideas at a scientific conference on Evolution.



    Now ... what do you think of your chances of getting a Nobel Prize for invaidating Evolution scientifically?

    Acting the maggot at a conference is not the same as presenting real evidence. On the other hand, acting the maggot is about all that creationists seem capable of, we have plenty of evidence for that.
    ... Why did they take the microphone away and threw the man out ... if they had any answers?
    because he deserved to be thrown out
    If this can happen a qualified Brain Surgeon ... what would happen a student who asks questions about Evolution?
    I don't know why you insist on highlighting the fact that the guy is a qualified brain surgeon. So what? He could be a qualified bin man or he could be the world's greatest brain surgeon, and it still wouldn't change the fact that he was being ignorant and rude and deserved to be ejected, and, he had nothing interesting to say.

    Again, I find it interesting that creationists seem to be obsessed by labels and titles. I guess it stems from their hierarchical view of the world, with the sky fairy at the top to the pile, followed by whatever particular religious hierarchy they subscribe to. I guess when your worldview is predicated on such obvious b*****t, it becomes important to cling on to such things as titles and labels. Anyway, in real science, one's evidence and one's reasoning is all that should matter, not whether you have a title or are a "qualified brain surgeon".

    On a personal note, most surgeons that I have ever met are complete muppets, so this video just confirms some personal biases of mine :)


    We do protect scientists by not needlessly exposing them to Evolutionist ire!!!
    You obviously haven't participated in many real scientific conferences.
    It was a joke ... you obviously never met Colin ... he was a great guy ... and one of life's gentlemen!!!
    No I haven't. I take it that you have. If so, and if you think he was such a great guy, you should have a bit more respect for him than to quote him out of context and try to twist his words to express support for a position that he clearly does not.


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    #1267
    Marcus.Aurelius
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭Marcus.Aurelius


    J C wrote: »
    Chance isn't involved ... that is my point ... such Complex tightly specified functional structures are always intellignently designed.

    And you are missing our point.

    Complex biological structures and organisms are not the product of chance. They are the product of beneficial mutations aided by natural selection. You have failed to discern this yet.


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    #1268
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    Improbable wrote: »
    To be perfectly honest, I don't even know why we're still trying. Clearly there is no point at all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBHEsEshhLs


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    #1269
    sponsoredwalk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    liamw wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBHEsEshhLs

    It's like watching a movie of what has been going on in this thread over the
    past few days, spooky! What are the chances of this happening?
    J C wrote: »
    about the same as putting a feather in the ground ... and expecting it to grow a hen!!!


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    #1270
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    If your "theory" of gravity is true then how come when I put a bowling ball on the ground it doesn't turn into a black hole? Huh!?


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    #1271
    keppler
    Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭keppler


    robindch wrote: »
    In the weird, deranged world of creationists, ignorance isn't so much an excuse as a way of life.

    Please cut out the personal insults.

    duely noted robin but, let me ask you this,
    its ok to call creationists who post this sort of evidence online liars but, when J C copies and pastes it onto this thread, calls it credible (even though he knows it's not) no one is allowed to call him a liar?

    By calling him a liar i wasn't trying to insult him robin. I was just trying to state a fact.


    Now speaking of insults, J C has given numerous false answers to questions sponsoredwalk, ghostbuster, myself and numerous other people on this thread have put to him. After spending much time typing answers showing his to be wrong (which wouldnt be hard), he is now blatently choosing to completely dodge them (To save himself even more embarrassment, no doubt).
    Could this not be seen as a personal insult too.....:confused:


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    #1272
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    This thread is an insult to everyone's intellegence, keppler.


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    #1273
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    mikhail wrote: »
    This thread is an insult to everyone's intellegence, keppler.

    *intelligence ;)


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    #1274
    housetypeb
    Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    JC is probably trawling through his collection of late 70's rebuttals to Darwin while listening to the bee gees, in between prayers and hourly readings of the book of knowledge.


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    #1275
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    liamw wrote: »
    *intelligence ;)
    You see? YOU SEE WHAT IT'S DONE?


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    #1276
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    liamw wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBHEsEshhLs

    I was sitting with my morning cuppa and chuckling along to this right up to the point when i realised that JC is possibly doing the very same whilst totally agreeing and empathising with the interviewer.:(


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    #1277
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    keppler wrote: »
    no one is allowed to call him a liar?
    Since it's a personal insult, no, the word and the sentiment is verboten.
    keppler wrote: »
    when J C copies and pastes it onto this thread, calls it credible
    Lying implies an intention to deceive, effectively implying that the poster is dishonest. It is possible though -- and five years of posting the same drivel suggests that this may, incredibly, be the case -- that JC really and genuinely does believe that what she/he posts is factual and honest. In this specific case, the claim of dishonesty is unfair.

    Bear in mind also that if somebody claims that something is credible when it's clearly completely bonkers, then the OP's public credibility will suffer. It's then a more effective debating tactic to point and laugh at the idea and the claim of credibility, rather than accuse the OP of being a liar for posting it and claiming that the incredible would become credible if only one had the faith to think it so.


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    #1278
    smokingman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭smokingman


    I sometimes wish there was an anti-JC that trolled the christian forums like he does here. Maybe posting in his style to prove the existance of a spaghetti monster from the lines in his bible....


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    #1279
    sponsoredwalk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    smokingman wrote: »
    I sometimes wish there was an anti-JC that trolled the christian forums like he does here. Maybe posting in his style to prove the existance of a spaghetti monster from the lines in his bible....

    No you see if you say ANYTHING that goes against the will of the moderators
    your post is instantly deleted. Happened to me only yesterday.
    Funny thing is in this forum controversial posts are fine, and I think that's
    the way humanity is supposed to act. Says a lot when you have to
    delete a post that goes against your preconceived bias. Justification?
    Ah they are just spamming or trying to create friction - I was being serious
    in my post, and it's not the first time in that forum either so why bother going
    there?


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    #1280
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    sponsoredwalk wrote: »
    No you see if you say ANYTHING that goes against the will of the moderators
    your post is instantly deleted. Happened to me only yesterday.
    Funny thing is in this forum controversial posts are fine, and I think that's
    the way humanity is supposed to act. Says a lot when you have to
    delete a post that goes against your preconceived bias. Justification?
    Ah they are just spamming or trying to create friction - I was being serious
    in my post, and it's not the first time in that forum either so why bother going
    there?

    Thats why I gave up posting there, nearly a year ago.


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    #1281
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Cut it out or you'll both be moderated here, too.


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    #1282
    equivariant
    Registered Users Posts: 966 ✭✭✭equivariant


    robindch wrote: »
    Since it's a personal insult, no, the word and the sentiment is verboten

    Is calling someone a liar really a personal insult? Surely it is just a statement of fact - either objectively true or objectively false. Or is it just the particular word "liar" that you deem insulting, rather than the concept

    The whole notion of an insult seems to me to be a fundamentally subjective thing. I might be insulted to be called a fianna fail supporter, for example, but someone else may well be proud of that same label.


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    #1283
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    equivariant wrote: »
    Is calling someone a liar really a personal insult?
    Under the specific conditions I listed, yes it is.


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    #1284
    housetypeb
    Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    robindch wrote: »
    Under the specific conditions I listed, yes it is.

    Is it ok to call JC deluded?


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    #1285
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,517 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Can we call him Professor Plum?


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    #1286
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    John J. May will be on UCD's Belfield FM @ 2pm, and will be countered by Dr. Stefano Mariani, a Population Genetics specialist.

    Please leave any questions for John J. May in the "Contact Us" section of www.belfieldfm.ie


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    #1287
    sponsoredwalk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    John J. May will be on UCD's Belfield FM @ 2pm, and will be countered by Dr. Stefano Mariani, a Population Genetics specialist.

    Please leave any questions for John J. May in the "Contact Us" section of www.belfieldfm.ie

    Are you taping it? Will an mp3 be available? PLEASE SAY YES! :D:D:D

    Edit: I'm an idiot, it's a radio station :p


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    #1288
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    housetypeb wrote: »
    Is it ok to call JC deluded?
    You can call him whatever you like, but if any of the forum moderators think that it was done with the intention to insult, then you'll probably be carded or worse.

    Try to be nice.


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    #1289
    sponsoredwalk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Is this http://belfieldfm.mono.net/ the correct link to listen? (click listen live)


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    #1290
    darjeeling
    Registered Users Posts: 962 ✭✭✭darjeeling


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    John J. May will be on UCD's Belfield FM @ 2pm, and will be countered by Dr. Stefano Mariani, a Population Genetics specialist.

    Please leave any questions for John J. May in the "Contact Us" section of www.belfieldfm.ie

    Is it not time to forget about Mr May? The story was once newsworthy due to the science minister's involvement. However that is now over, and May's book doesn't merit any further attention.


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    #1291
    sponsoredwalk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    robindch wrote: »
    You can call him whatever you like, but if any of the forum moderators think that it was done with the intention to insult, then you'll probably be carded or worse.

    Try to be nice.

    Man I was calling him a liar because that is in fact what he was doing.
    It wasn't meant to insult it was to get him to face it, that's all.
    I have no interest in bandying about insults, only said to get him to
    face the nonsense he was espousing, It seems to have worked;)

    Edit: The station is working and she said May will be on later, :D


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