Why Down with Maximuscle?

magic_murph · 27-09-2010 12:57PM #1

Lads & Lassies,
Just reading a number of posts on here and noted a lot of post downing the goodness of maximuscle?

I don't take any protein supplements but have a general interest in their benefits etc.

If Maximuscle is of no use, why & which is the preferred brand. Is there really that much of a difference between the various brands out there?

Mr. Loverman · 27-09-2010 01:38PM

They're as good as most other brands; they're just more expensive.

Canis Lupus · 27-09-2010 01:58PM

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

They're as good as most other brands; they're just more expensive.

You'd want a bank loan to use it long term.

William_Hicley · 27-09-2010 05:32PM

I have actually wondered the same thing myself but never asked. Can anybody reccomend an alternative so? :pac:

Jarren · 27-09-2010 05:34PM

YEAP

http://www.myprotein.co.uk/

http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/

SpookyBastard · 27-09-2010 05:46PM

I think the main issue is that whilst their stuff is as good as anyone's they are considerably more expensive. This may partly be down to the amount of money they spend on advertising and sponsorship driving up the prices.

Most products are basically around the same price... stick Maximuscle on the tub and there's a 20% markup :rolleyes:

Myprotein is an good alternative as you can make your own version of cyclone and stuff. Then again, you could just go for a good whey or mass powder (depending on your needs) and leave out all the extra stuff they put into maximuscle shakes... it's been argued that a lot of it is purely marketing fluff and of little actual benefit. In most cases you can usually mix a shake yourself using more basic products that has most of what you want at a fraction of the cost.

soc$ · 27-09-2010 06:07PM

Just an aside but if you're subject to doping requirements I was told to steer clear of anything produced in the US as a high percentage of protein powders are mixed in machines that are also used for anabolics and so they would be illegal.

I find USN to be good -

Canis Lupus · 27-09-2010 08:20PM

soc$ wrote: »

Just an aside but if you're subject to doping requirements I was told to steer clear of anything produced in the US as a high percentage of protein powders are mixed in machines that are also used for anabolics and so they would be illegal.

You have any links to back this up?

Transform · 27-09-2010 09:16PM

agreed and bump for myprotein

leave the maximuscle for the guys that are getting their mums to buy it for them in a health food shop or pharmacy

SouthTippBass · 27-09-2010 09:24PM

Ok, I'l try Myprotein next time I'm out. Anything else ye would recommend from them while I'm ordering that, muti-vitimins or anything?

Transform · 27-09-2010 09:38PM

fish oils and glutamine

JimmyR · 27-09-2010 10:14PM

Transform wrote: »

fish oils and glutamine

Why Glutamine? What benefits is there in taking it for
- a beginner?
- An advanced trainee?

Transform · 27-09-2010 10:22PM

I just find it good for recovery - 10g in water in the morning and at night works well for me.

Keep the rest of the diet in track as supplements are a waste of money if your diet is muck

ilovelamp2000 · 27-09-2010 11:02PM

I used MyProtein for a longtime for Protein but got caught short on it a few weeks back. Intead I bought some Nutrition X Pro X Elite and I'm liking it a lot so I'm going to stick with it.

Hanley · 27-09-2010 11:25PM

soc$ wrote: »

Just an aside but if you're subject to doping requirements I was told to steer clear of anything produced in the US as a high percentage of protein powders are mixed in machines that are also used for anabolics and so they would be illegal.

I find USN to be good -

Think about what you're saying for a second...

Armedocr · 28-09-2010 01:01AM

soc$ wrote: »

Just an aside but if you're subject to doping requirements I was told to steer clear of anything produced in the US as a high percentage of protein powders are mixed in machines that are also used for anabolics and so they would be illegal.

I find USN to be good -

Seriously? You believe that the machine used to make a chocolate flavored protein etc is the same machine that is used to make anabolics.......Seriously?

Barry.Oglesby · 28-09-2010 09:51AM

Maximuscle is grand. My attitude to whey/creatine etc. is once the qulaity is high, get the one that you enjoy drinking the most as life is too short to drink anything manky.

There have been some reports of tainted supplements, but these have been by and large free sample tubs apparently. You can see why maybe someone would maybe put anabolics in samples. I think probably what soc$ is referring to is the presence of other controlled substances in supps from the states. The likes of ephedrine for example.

seven-iron · 28-09-2010 09:55AM

maximuslce is good. im on a stack of cyclone and promax and im noticing the difference after 5 days.

Noffles · 28-09-2010 10:04AM

I get stronger but bloated and fat(ter) looking on Cyclone and found Maximuscle is the "best" for price rather than product... they're all very much the same really.

Doug Cartel · 28-09-2010 10:06AM

seven-iron wrote: »

maximuslce is good. im on a stack of cyclone and promax and im noticing the difference after 5 days.

Ever heard of the placebo effect?

soc$ · 28-09-2010 11:38AM

Armedocr wrote: »

Seriously? You believe that the machine used to make a chocolate flavored protein etc is the same machine that is used to make anabolics.......Seriously?

Ah jesus lads, why is there always an air of aggression in some posts when people read something they might not necessarily agree with?

I'm only recounting anecdotal evidence - my personal experience from discussions with the Lenister team nutritionist (from last season) and conversations with sports council anti-doping officers. We were always advised to keep a small sample of each supplement until after each clean test just in case - so yes, based on this I believe there must be some risk and any athlete who is on the anti-doping scheme would be an idiot not to consider it the possibility of cross contamination -

soc$ · 28-09-2010 11:40AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

You have any links to back this up?

http://www.tri247.com/article_3744.html

The research, which was funded by Lucozade Sport and conducted by HFL Sport Science - an independent laboratory that tests supplements for substances prohibited by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) – discovered that 10.5% of 152 supplements tested were found to be contaminated with steroids and/or stimulants.

http://www.informed-choice.org/files/Anti-DopingBackgrounder.pdf

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) funded research at the drug
surveillance lab in Cologne, Germany, in 2001 to independently analyze
a number of supplements. Of the 634 products tested, 94 (15 percent)
contained steroids or related compounds which were not declared on
the label. Sixteen percent of the positive supplements showed
concentrations of steroids at concentrations of 10 micrograms per gram
(10ng/g) or higher – considerable greater than that required to give a
positive test at the recommended daily intake.
To put this in perspective, 10ng/g is a tiny concentration. In a liquid, it is
equivalent to half a teaspoon of the substance dissolved in an Olympicsized
swimming pool.

Wada themselves advise caution
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Anti-Doping-Community/Athletes-/QA-on-Dietary-Supplement/

Can an athlete test positive from using dietary/nutritional supplements?

Extreme caution is recommended regarding supplement use.

The use of dietary supplements by athletes is a concern because in many countries the manufacturing and labeling of supplements may not follow strict rules, which may lead to a supplement containing an undeclared substance that is prohibited under anti-doping regulations. A significant number of positive tests have been attributed to the misuse of supplements and taking a poorly labeled dietary supplement is not an adequate defense in a doping hearing.

metamorphosis · 28-09-2010 11:46AM

USN chocolate cream, whey mixed into porridge ftw (+ melted dark chocolate and peanut butter melted in too). Yum.

Hanley · 28-09-2010 11:52AM

Research funded by lucozade found competitor products to be bad? Stop the presses.

"considerable greater than that required to give a positive test at the recommended daily intake." - what does that mean....? Are they telling your there's a recomended amount of drugs to take? Also, just because it's not listed on the label doesn't mean it'll cause you to fail a drug test.

As for the last link.... do you really expect an athlete to come out and say "crap... you got me"? Of course not. They're gonna blame it on everything and anything else.

soc$ · 28-09-2010 11:54AM

Hanley wrote: »

Research funded by lucozade found competitor products to be bad? Stop the presses.

"considerable greater than that required to give a positive test at the recommended daily intake." - what does that mean....? Are they telling your there's a recomended amount of drugs to take? Also, just because it's not listed on the label doesn't mean it'll cause you to fail a drug test.

As for the last link.... do you really expect an athlete to come out and say "crap... you got me"? Of course not. They're gonna blame it on everything and anything else.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one - personally if I was still subject to testing I'd err on the side of caution -

BigDuffman · 28-09-2010 11:56AM

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Ever heard of the placebo effect?

Its comments like this that annoy me....yeah its ONLY Maximuscle that gives a placebo effect. Could your same argument not be applied to every single sports nutrition product?????! Reply to which is usually "Of course not! as other product don't rely on marketing to sell their brand".....Riiiiiight, good argument.

I find Maximuscle products (I personally use cyclone + thermobol) to be fantastic. Yeah some products are going to be pricier than others..but theres a messed up mentality involving a race to the bottom regarding price in sport nutrition circles, which is to the detrement of all involved.

"Look at you with your fancy Optimum Nutrition Platinum Hydro whey,I bought this skip load of low end protein for a €5r, it doesn't even have any labels how hardcore am I?"

Yeah sure you can talk about price point and you'd be right, premium level brands are more expensive. People have their opinions ie. BMWs are poncey cars but Audis are subtle class.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and product has different effects on different people.

I'm gonna pay a few extra reddies for Cyclone rather than stack some unknown cheap muck and feel hardcore. Same way whilst I'm sure the aldi pair of trainers are top quality I'm still going to stick my asics gels.

Hanley · 28-09-2010 11:57AM

soc$ wrote: »

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one - personally if I was still subject to testing I'd err on the side of caution -

You do realise I've been tested quite regularly over the past 3-4 years right?

Hanley · 28-09-2010 12:00PM

BigDuffman wrote: »

Its comments like this that annoy me....yeah its ONLY Maximuscle that gives a placebo effect. Could your same argument not be applied to every single sports nutrition product?????! Reply to which is usually "Of course not! as other product don't rely on marketing to sell their brand".....Riiiiiight, good argument.

No... it wasn't said that X was taken and no effect was noticed, but Y (maximuslce) WAS taken and an effect was noticed. The effect could very well be because they were expecting an effect.

And the exact same could have happened if product X was used instead. BUt it wasn't. It was maximuscle.

I find Maximuscle products (I personally use cyclone + thermobol) to be fantastic. Yeah some products are going to be pricier than others..but theres a messed up mentality involving a race to the bottom regarding price in sport nutrition circles, which is to the detrement of all involved.

"Look at you with your fancy Optimum Nutrition Platinum Hydro whey,I bought this skip load of low end protein for a €5r, it doesn't even have any labels how hardcore am I?"

You're a marketers dream.

I'm gonna pay a few extra reddies for Cyclone rather than stack some unknown cheap muck and feel hardcore. Same way whilst I'm sure the aldi pair of trainers are top quality I'm still going to stick my asics gels.

Comparison fail. Asics ARE better quality. Maximuscle is not.

soc$ · 28-09-2010 12:08PM

Hanley wrote: »

You do realise I've been tested quite regularly over the past 3-4 years right?

Nope, didn't realise that - but honestly it wouldn't make any difference to me (I'm not trying to be a smart arse) - having some comfort factor with each test was always enough to make me paranoid.

BigDuffman · 28-09-2010 12:11PM

Hanley wrote: »

No... it wasn't said that X was taken and no effect was noticed, but Y (maximuslce) WAS taken and an effect was noticed. The effect could very well be because they were expecting an effect.

And the exact same could have happened if product X was used instead. BUt it wasn't. It was maximuscle.

You're a marketers dream.

Comparison fail. Asics ARE better quality. Maximuscle is not.

I'm not arguing over the science behind placebo effect. Which is the standard for testing effectivness of any product including MM. I'm arguing over your black and white Maximuscle = Fail End of. Mentality.

"A marketers dream" for taking Maximuscle? Based on that sweeping generalization of someone you've never met and at the risk of a pissing contest. I could call you a closed minded elitest.

PeakOutput · 28-09-2010 12:17PM

BigDuffman wrote: »

I'm not arguing over the science behind placebo effect. Which is the standard for testing effectivness of any product including MM. I'm arguing over your black and white Maximuscle = Fail End of. Mentality.

"A marketers dream" for taking Maximuscle? Based on that sweeping generalization of someone you've never met and at the risk of a pissing contest. I could call you a closed minded elitest.

the FACTS are that maximuscle's products are fundamentally no different to any other manufacturers product.

the first difference is they spend alot of money on marketing to make people believe they are worth the extra cash

and the second difference is that they cost a good bit more

there are a couple of acceptable reasons for spending the extra money

1. you like the taste of maximuscle products only for some reason
2. they sell it locally and you are rich enough to not care about paying the extra

any other reason is just ignorance

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