The new Mosque in Galway City

mikom · 24-09-2010 11:59PM

dvpower wrote: »

Bollocks.
This from a 1 minute google.

http://www.stjosephsabudhabi.org/

Go easy there.
You may have missed my "maybe" in your haste to type Bollocks.

KungPao · 25-09-2010 12:07AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Ah come on - if it wasn't for the Nazis, we wouldn't have had all those great war movies, like The Dirty Dozen, The Longest Day & The Great Escape.

We have a lot to thank them for.

Don't forget the games.

Wolfenstein, medal of Honour, Call of Duty...

I'm in the middle of Wolfenstein at the moment...damn! those Nazi's were into some fucked up ****!

Oranage2 · 25-09-2010 12:18AM

I think they should be allowed build Mosques but also I think we shouldn't allow immeration from muslim countries that are poor because we'll face similar problems that france, germany and the UK face.

jugger0 · 25-09-2010 12:19AM

dvpower wrote: »

What? Newpapers in Denmark published those cartoons. How was that weak?

Yes and were then threatened with death by muslims who they had let stay in their country, show them the door.

Jeboa Safari · 25-09-2010 12:22AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Now, what colour comes to mind?

black, but thats possibly racist

up for anything · 25-09-2010 12:22AM

Degsy wrote: »

Well if they need a mosque they should have a mosque..Muslims are deeply religious people.

What is your stance on muslim Nigerians? Cue rant.....

ascanbe · 25-09-2010 01:00AM

jugger0 wrote: »

Just seems a bit weak to be honest, why should we be the ones to change? Europe has no backbone, look at denmark, told whats acceptable in their own country by foreigners and threatened with violence if they disagree.

We're not changing, though; being accepting of different beliefs is entirely in keeping with our culture/laws.
Europe has a backbone; the rule of law that has developed from centuries of enlightenment thinking.
If we were to crack down on any particular religous belief then we would be changing; we'd be making ourselves no better than any other extremists.
Weakness would be allowing them to change us.

jugger0 · 25-09-2010 01:02AM

ascanbe wrote: »

We're not changing, though; being accepting of different beliefs is entirely in keeping with our culture/laws.
Europe has a backbone; the rule of law that has developed from centuries of enlightenment thinking.
If we were to crack down on any particular religous belief then we would be changing; we'd be making ourselves no better than any other extremists.
Weakness would be allowing them to change us.

Europe is being changed, just wait till turkey gets membership.

dvpower · 25-09-2010 01:12AM

jugger0 wrote: »

Yes and were then threatened with death by muslims who they had let stay in their country, show them the door.

Let me get this straight.

Denmark is a country based on laws.
Free speech is an attribute of Danish society.
Some people in Denmark publish caricatures of Mohamed
Some people objected.
The people who objected weren't trown out of the country.

dvpower · 25-09-2010 01:13AM

jugger0 wrote: »

Europe is being changed, just wait till turkey gets membership.

More ****e. Give me facts.

dvpower · 25-09-2010 01:15AM

mikom wrote: »

Go easy there.
You may have missed my "maybe" in your haste to type Bollocks.

It's a lovely word.

dvpower · 25-09-2010 01:18AM

up for anything wrote: »

What is your stance on muslim Nigerians? Cue rant.....

My enimies, enenies, enimy, if my friends friensnds ...something.......

rossie1977 · 25-09-2010 01:19AM

jugger0 wrote: »

Europe is being changed, just wait till turkey gets membership.

what will happen if turkey gets membership??

have you been to turkey, because i have and istanbul is almost as western as ireland, american chains on every street corner, in fact instanbul despite being 10 times the size of dublin is alot cleaner so maybe change will be better

southsiderosie · 25-09-2010 01:37AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

what will happen if turkey gets membership??

have you been to turkey, because i have and istanbul is almost as western as ireland, american chains on every street corner, in fact instanbul despite being 10 times the size of dublin is alot cleaner so maybe change will be better

Istanbul is VERY different from Central Turkey, which is much more conservative (and is also where most Turkish immigrants in Europe come from). That said, I doubt Turkey will be joining the EU anytime soon.

As for the new mosque...Don't see what all the fuss is about actually.

dvpower · 25-09-2010 01:39AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

what will happen if turkey gets membership??

have you been to turkey, because i have and istanbul is almost as western as ireland, american chains on every street corner, in fact instanbul despite being 10 times the size of dublin is alot cleaner so maybe change will be better

He really is only worried about imaginary Turks. In truth he knows little about Turkey or Turks.
Silly really.

_Whimsical_ · 25-09-2010 02:00AM

The pope had an interesting plan to combat the Islamization of Europe : "Christians, have more babies".

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/-Vatican-official-urges-Christians-to-have-more-children-as-Europe-becomes-Islamized-102526539.html

It's an interesting point really. As muslim families,particularly recent immigrant families, tend to have a greater number of children than families do in Europe, in time they may well be the dominant voting public in countries that now consider themselves secular or christian in the EU.

southsiderosie · 25-09-2010 02:08AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

The pope had an interesting plan to combat the Islamization of Europe : "Christians, have more babies".

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/-Vatican-official-urges-Christians-to-have-more-children-as-Europe-becomes-Islamized-102526539.html

It's an interesting point really. As muslim families,particularly recent immigrant families, tend to have a greater number of children than families do in Europe, in time they may well be the dominant voting public in countries that now consider themselves secular or christian in the EU.

Even if non-Muslims had more babies, that doesn't mean that those babies would be Christian - which is what the Vatican is pushing for. And just because children are born into Muslim families doesn't mean that they won't/can't respect secular law.

kraggy · 25-09-2010 02:09AM

jugger0 wrote: »

Are you allowed build christian churches in muslim countrys?

Yes.

The country with the largest number of muslims in the world allows the building of Christian places of worship and permits all associated practices in its jurisdiction.

Clue:

The country's name begins with the letter "i".

_Whimsical_ · 25-09-2010 02:18AM

This story was interesting.

This summer a shopping centre in Rochedale, UK installed "squatting toilets" because there is a large muslim population in the area and they prefer this kind of toilet.

It's a subtle change but it's quite a large accomodation to a religious/cultural group just on the basis of preference rather than need. It would kind of show how the landscape of our society could be change quite dramatically by integration of a group with a very strong identity.

I absolutely believe in integration and religious freedom but it's hard to see how you can integrate a group who are deeply morally opposed to the way of life and freedoms offered by western society without us changing to their way of life to at least an extent. As they become a more dominant political force sheerly due to their numbers there will probably be a greater price to be payed by us than is recognised now.

kraggy · 25-09-2010 02:22AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

This story was interesting.

This summer a shopping centre in Rochedale, UK installed "squatting toilets" because there is a large muslim population in the area and they prefer this kind of toilet.

It's a subtle change but it's quite a large accomodation to a religious/cultural group just on the basis of preference rather than need. It would kind of show how the landscape of our society could be change quite dramatically by integration of a group with a very strong identity.

I absolutely believe in integration and religious freedom but it's hard to see how you can integrate a group who are deeply morally opposed to the way of life and freedoms offered by western society without us changing to their way of life to at least an extent. As they become a more dominant political force sheerly due to their numbers there will probably be a greater price to be payed by us than is recognised now.

The overwhelming majority of the Islamic population are not opposed to the way of life or freedoms offered by western society.

Watch Sky News much?

_Whimsical_ · 25-09-2010 02:23AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Even if non-Muslims had more babies, that doesn't mean that those babies would be Christian - which is what the Vatican is pushing for. And just because children are born into Muslim families doesn't mean that they won't/can't respect secular law.

Yeah... but the pope a side it's an interesting point just in terms of the makeup of a future EU society. There may well be more of them and less of those who hold traditional European values. Then they would be the voting public and presumably would vote to see changes in the laws to reflect their values.

southsiderosie · 25-09-2010 02:24AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Yeah... but the pope a side it's an interesting point just in terms of the makeup of a future EU society. There may well be more of them and less of those who hold traditional European values. Then they would be the voting public and presumably would vote to see changes in the laws to reflect their values.

And what exactly are traditional European values?

_Whimsical_ · 25-09-2010 02:25AM

kraggy wrote: »

The overwhelming majority of the Islamic population are not opposed to the way of life or freedoms offered by western society.

Watch Sky News much?

No, of course not. However why if they were the majority would they want to live in a society that didn't reflect what they believe to be right or wrong ?

_Whimsical_ · 25-09-2010 02:27AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

And what exactly are traditional European values?

Freedom of expression through religion , clothing ,art, the written word and media, sexual freedom, equality between sexes... that's just a few. Obviously these are not perfect... but the majority of Europeans aspire to them in some form. Most of us want to live in a society where they are a given.

kraggy · 25-09-2010 02:35AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

No, of course not. However why if they were the majority would they want to live in a society that didn't reflect what they believe to be right or wrong ?

You're missing my point.

The majority of Muslims do not wish to suppress the freedoms of the individual. Some minority members, who claim to be representative of Islam, do.

But more than 90% of Muslims have no wish to suppress the freedoms, or rights of expression, that the "West", claim them to do.

starbelgrade · 25-09-2010 02:36AM

kraggy wrote: »

Yes.

The country with the largest number of muslims in the world allows the building of Christian places of worship and permits all associated practices in its jurisdiction.

Clue:

The country's name begins with the letter "i".

Isle of Man?

kraggy · 25-09-2010 02:38AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Isle of Man?

No.

Craggy Islamd.

jugger0 · 25-09-2010 02:43AM

kraggy wrote: »

But more than 90% of Muslims have no wish to suppress the freedoms, or rights of expression, that the "West", claim them to do.

Where'd ya pull that out of?

starbelgrade · 25-09-2010 02:44AM

kraggy wrote: »

No.

Craggy Islamd.

Saddam was a craggy Islam. He was invaded & executed. Things don't look too good for Inis Mor.

_Whimsical_ · 25-09-2010 02:50AM

kraggy wrote: »

You're missing my point.

The majority of Muslims do not wish to suppress the freedoms of the individual. Some minority members, who claim to be representative of Islam, do.

But more than 90% of Muslims have no wish to suppress the freedoms, or rights of expression, that the "West", claim them to do.

Where do you get the 90% figure?

There are not many traditionally Muslim countries that are tolerant of the individuals rights as we perceive them. There are few Muslim countries where a woman can decide how to dress and behave for herself or where a man can be openly gay and yet accepted and embraced by his family.

The new Mosque in Galway City

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