Virginia Executes Woman with IQ of 72

clived2 · 24-09-2010 03:52PM

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Plus I don't see how the fact that she is more intelligent than the average woman is relevant to the issue....

ScumLord · 24-09-2010 04:30PM

Documentary that was on BBC called how to kill a human. It goes through all the most popular execution methods and why they're far from humane, including the injection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woBUtoh02ic

Son Of A Vidic · 24-09-2010 04:36PM

The American judicial system is based on your abilitiy to pay, the more money you have = the bigger & better lawyer you can afford. Justice for all my ar$e!

jugger0 · 24-09-2010 04:47PM

Who cares if its humane, bring back the firing squad. Too many scumbags in the world, no point keeping them locked up(or in this countrys case released after half a sentence) imagine how much money we'd save too.

ScumLord · 24-09-2010 04:52PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Who cares if its humane, bring back the firing squad. Too many scumbags in the world, no point keeping them locked up(or in this countrys case released after half a sentence) imagine how much money we'd save too.

Killing scumbags won't stop them from happening in the first place it just drags the rest of society down to their level.

The death penalty just isn't a deterrent to these people it's just a way of getting rid of them, it's not cheap or a solution to any problem.

jugger0 · 24-09-2010 04:56PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Killing scumbags won't stop them from happening in the first place it just drags the rest of society down to their level.

The death penalty just isn't a deterrent to these people it's just a way of getting rid of them, it's not cheap or a solution to any problem.

I agree of course they should be prevented in the first place, but abominations like pedos shouldnt be allowed live.

landsleaving · 24-09-2010 04:59PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Who cares if its humane, bring back the firing squad. Too many scumbags in the world, no point keeping them locked up(or in this countrys case released after half a sentence) imagine how much money we'd save too.

Whatever your opinion on the death penalty, the notion of instigating it to 'save money' is hardly going to be a ringing endorsement for the humanity of those who enforce the law.

In lighter news, the liberal* use of the word 'retard' in this case is quite strange, it's PC gone SANE! :pac:

*No, not leftys saying retard.

Dudess · 24-09-2010 05:00PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

And yet the US frowns upon Sharia Law so much. I'm not saying it's worse than Sharia Law, but those in glass houses....

I don't see though how the fact that there is still capital punishment in America therefore makes everyone in the West even the slightest bit of a glasshouse dweller (if that's what you're saying - sorry if it isn't). It wouldn't make me any less critical of Iran, but at the same time, I would be just as critical of the death penalty in the States (or anywhere). Overall though, America is still a better society for ordinary people to live in than an actual dictatorship.

Celly Smunt · 24-09-2010 05:04PM

just before everyone hops on the "stupid hypocritical americans" band wagon

http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0811/lyonsd.html

enfant terrible · 24-09-2010 05:10PM

Trekmad wrote: »

But aside from all that how effective is the Death penalty? its not like its curtailing the murder rate! so obviously it doesn't work as a deterrent and IMO merely acts as satisfaction for the public's primitive cry for blood to be shed.

Why does it have to be a deterrent.

In my opinion the justice system should protect the public from criminals and punish those guilty of crimes.

The death penalty does both of those pretty well.

Daroxtar · 24-09-2010 05:10PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

no method is instant. after being shot in the chest or even beheaded you are still very much alive for at least a few seconds after it happens

What about being shot in the head? I'd say that'd do the trick

LarrytheLantern wrote: »

she was tried and found guilty by a jury of her peers.
they were presented with the FACTS. we were not.

And to be her peers they would have an iq of 72 aswell so they'd be thick enough to find her guilty and sentence her to death

Linoge · 24-09-2010 05:15PM

Nulty wrote: »

I've heard that about the LI before too. There are 3 injections. One paralyses you, the other knocks you out and the combination of the third kills you. I think there were reports that its impossible to tell if the knock out one has worked because the paralysing one means there is no indication from the 'victim'. With out the knock out one the person feels intense pain as they die. Don't quote me on this, this is all off the top of my non-medical head.

Conspiracy to commit murder was always far more serious in the States than the actual act of murder.

Ultimately it doesnt really make a difference. They are dead minutes later, its not like they can remember being in pain! I think it is more important for their families to at least believe they died without pain, and if they are not showing any signs of pain what does it matter? Im sure in most cases these people are at least dying more peacefully than the people they have killed.

Either way, the death penalty is absolutely ridiculous. I wish they actually did stone people to death because the clinicalness of lethal injection only helps to hide the barbarism of it all.

ScumLord · 24-09-2010 05:19PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Why does it have to be a deterrent.

In my opinion the justice system should protect the public from criminals and punish those guilty of crimes.

The death penalty does both of those pretty well.

The death penalty only happens after the crime has been committed and the convict would either be killed or sent to jail for life, it has no added benefit over a jail term. So it doesn't protect the public in any way. It is a punishment sure enough but it's not a deterrent and has no real value to the public.

Ush1 · 24-09-2010 05:26PM

People do realise the difference between low IQ and mental illness don't they?

-Trek- · 24-09-2010 05:54PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Why does it have to be a deterrent.

In my opinion the justice system should protect the public from criminals and punish those guilty of crimes.

The death penalty does both of those pretty well.

OK...but how does the death penalty punish? its effectively a free pass from a life time of guilt / jail for the condemned.
The only value I see in this barbaric practice is revenge for the families and keeping the electorate happy BUT not justice.

orourkeda · 24-09-2010 05:54PM

PaddyBomb wrote: »

I heard that her last words were something like "Wow, that was awesome".

Obviously she was mentally retarded. Because any person I seen using the word "awesome" looked mentally retarded.

Can anyone spot the grammatical error?

Overheal · 24-09-2010 06:24PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Who cares if its humane, bring back the firing squad. Too many scumbags in the world, no point keeping them locked up(or in this countrys case released after half a sentence) imagine how much money we'd save too.

Any basic googling would contradict you. The death penalty is far and away more expensive to implement than incarceration.

Four-Percent · 24-09-2010 06:28PM

thebaz wrote: »

do you get a choice how you die - I'd select firing squad - no feckin around with poison or fires - what do they use in Switzerland, at that place where you can die early ?

Barbiturates, they shake it up in a can and you drink it, then they leave ye alone.

jugger0 · 24-09-2010 06:31PM

Overheal wrote: »

Any basic googling would contradict you. The death penalty is far and away more expensive to implement than incarceration.

So a bullet to the head is more expensive then housing and feeding a serial rapist for 20 years? dunno about that man.

bop1977 · 24-09-2010 07:03PM

jugger0 wrote: »

So a bullet to the head is more expensive then housing and feeding a serial rapist for 20 years? dunno about that man.

yes it is because all the appeals that go on before the execution costs a lot of money. there were several appeals before they killed her. and when it gets to the final appeal you are talking supreme court which has 9 judges. (OT only 2 judges supported her appeal the rest wanted her dead.)

mrbig · 24-09-2010 07:23PM

Dudess wrote: »

I don't see though how the fact that there is still capital punishment in America therefore makes everyone in the West even the slightest bit of a glasshouse dweller (if that's what you're saying - sorry if it isn't). It wouldn't make me any less critical of Iran, but at the same time, I would be just as critical of the death penalty in the States (or anywhere). Overall though, America is still a better society for ordinary people to live in than an actual dictatorship.

Nothing personal but the fact that America is not a dictatorship doesent make any difference when it comes to killing its citizens. I cant understand how a civilized country can justify such a record on state sanctioned murder.
How is this any better than Iran? does America kill people in a more civilized way ? or for more justifed reasons?
The fact that the USA is a democracy does not excuse this it just makes the citizens more responsible for it.

Rebelheart · 24-09-2010 08:03PM

losthorizon wrote: »

Virginia Executes Woman with IQ of 72

What are Cavan people doing executing people?

Herb Powell · 24-09-2010 08:03PM

losthorizon wrote: »

I dont know about that. One of the last times they used the electric chair in the US the guy being executed went on fire. They had to dowse him down and throw the switch again. Fairly awful.

Eduard Delacroix?
:pac:

Overheal · 24-09-2010 08:06PM

jugger0 wrote: »

So a bullet to the head is more expensive then housing and feeding a serial rapist for 20 years? dunno about that man.

You only don't know because despite a subtle hint, you still haven't appeared to have asked google about it. It's more like Bullets and a Mountain of Legal Expenses.

Tazz T · 24-09-2010 08:09PM

Our politicians have lower IQs and they get away with murder.

Manic Moran · 24-09-2010 08:12PM

Overheal wrote: »

Any basic googling would contradict you. The death penalty is far and away more expensive to implement than incarceration.

Not necessarily. I believe the cost in China is about 30 cents, and the taxpayer doesn't need to pay for it: The family of the condemned is sent the bill for the bullet.

NTM

Overheal · 24-09-2010 08:12PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Not necessarily. I believe the cost in China is about 30 cents, and the taxpayer doesn't need to pay for it: The family of the condemned is sent the bill for the bullet.

NTM

In the Federal United States :rolleyes:;)

Manic Moran · 24-09-2010 08:14PM

Overheal wrote: »

In the Federal United States :rolleyes:;)

That's just the system run amuck. There's no rational reason it should take twenty years for the appropriate legal checks and balances to be carried out. The process has become more important than the purpose. Unfortunately, a problem far too common in the US government today in all spheres, not only judicial.

NTM

Flojo · 24-09-2010 08:16PM

bop1977 wrote: »

yes it is because all the appeals that go on before the execution costs a lot of money. there were several appeals before they killed her. and when it gets to the final appeal you are talking supreme court which has 9 judges. (OT only 2 judges supported her appeal the rest wanted her dead.)

Its such a shame it's so expensive! Who exactly receives the money? I can't imagine how certain appeals cost millions. Life without parole prisoners get the same appeals and but its costs so much more. It makes no sense.

I agree with capital punishment to a certain extent for the absolute scum of the earth.. you know the people that make your blood boil when you read about the acts they have commited! For example, intent to murder and show no remorse, serial killers and child molesters that have no hope of rehabilitation.. does that even work anyways?
I think that not only does it give a certain sense of closure for the families of the victims but it would ease over crowding in prisions if it wasn't more expensive than life imprisonment and might be more of a deterrent if it happened more regularly. Also it would increase confidence in the justice system knowing that these animals would never be released into society again.

Life without parole prisoners may have cheaper appeal costs but what about their medical care, they're at greater risk to danger, being attacked inside for example and also when they age and the immense cost of geriatric care. Not only that but it makes them more dangerous to prison guards... they have nothing to lose and therefore can become more violent.

In my opinion you forfit your life once you intentionally take someone elses.

scientific1982 · 24-09-2010 08:21PM

Cavan people really are lousy ****ers.

Virginia Executes Woman with IQ of 72

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