Government wants a 50% increase in interantional students coming to study in Ireland

Son Of A Vidic · 22-09-2010 01:28PM #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0922/students_strategy.html

We might be better off looking after our own students first. We are returning to the days of the oul 'Brain drain' and this is what our government come out with. They claim that no Irish students would be displaced by international students, how? Because these places would be apparently self funding. Funny, when I read the bit about no Irish student being displaced, a pig flew past my window.

Dean820 · 22-09-2010 01:32PM

I agree with the government on this one, we need more better looking foreign students for the Irish males to get off with.

Dardania · 22-09-2010 01:34PM

I love the bit "self-funded" - BS! The rates they charge foreign students (particularly from outside the EU) is more than the cost of educating that student, so that in effect the foreign students pay part of the cost of education Irish / EU students.

Tis a great way to sustain 3rd level without increasing funding to it, and I'm all in favour of it, if only for the foreign hotties to expand the gene pool here...

The Waltzing Consumer · 22-09-2010 01:35PM

The Government will get lots of money cause international students pay huge fees for studying in Ireland. As for the looking after Irish students first comment, there is nothing stopping Irish students from going to private colleges and paying fees and getting a place.

Wertz · 22-09-2010 01:36PM

medicman2009 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0922/students_strategy.html

We might be better off looking after our own students first. We are returning to the days of the oul 'Brain drain' and this is what our government come out with. They claim that no Irish students would be displaced by international students, how? Because these places would be apparently self funding. Funny, when I read the bit about no Irish student being displaced, a pig flew past my window.

Listening to that amadán Coughlan on RTÉ lunch just now talking about this (among other issues), I fear for the future of this country. These people haven't got a f*cking clue.
The real issue here is that these intl students would be paying for their place as opposed to many Irish students who would be grant funded or paying no fees...to say that that won't displace at least some Irish students is an outright lie. Self funding me hole.

Archeron · 22-09-2010 01:46PM

Wonder how the foreign students will feel about this when they hear the statistics that we have the highest murder rate of young men in Europe, and the second biggest problem with knife killings.

Though, in fairness they are probably just coming over for the weather.

Dardania · 22-09-2010 01:47PM

Archeron wrote: »

Wonder how the foreign students will feel about this when they hear the statistics that we have the highest murder rate of young men in Europe, and the second biggest problem with knife killings.

Though, in fairness they are probably just coming over for the weather.

Do we? Source?

22-09-2010 01:50PM

This might be because foreign students would pay their fees and so be a benefit to the economy through taxation.

Just read the article yeah thast pretty much it.

Op why do we need to look at our own students first?

omahaid · 22-09-2010 01:51PM

Dardania wrote: »

Do we? Source?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0922/crime.html

22-09-2010 01:52PM

Dardania wrote: »

I love the bit "self-funded" - BS! The rates they charge foreign students (particularly from outside the EU) is more than the cost of educating that student, so that in effect the foreign students pay part of the cost of education Irish / EU students.

Tis a great way to sustain 3rd level without increasing funding to it, and I'm all in favour of it, if only for the foreign hotties to expand the gene pool here...

That and the fees for evening students I am doing a part time degree course in trinity at nights for the past three years in my fourth now, my fees this year were just over €6,000 which obviously have to be paid by me.

squod · 22-09-2010 01:56PM

Dardania wrote: »

I'm all in favour of it, if only for the foreign hotties to expand the gene pool here...

Defo, extra marks for good looks

starbelgrade · 22-09-2010 01:57PM

Another half-arsed & half-baked idea from out wonderful leaders & a complete avoidance of what they should really be doing, which is to charge 3rd level fees to those who can afford them.

Most 3rd level places in Dublin are taken up by those from wealthier areas & families and yet they are allowed somehow to avail of the free tuition fees that were supposedly brought in to help fund the cost of education for those whose families are in the lower income brackets.

But as we all know, Fianna Fail will not change this any time soon, as they know who votes for them at the polls.. and it's not the working classes.

patmac · 22-09-2010 01:57PM

Government wants a 50% increase in interantional students coming to study in Ireland.

What's an interantional student? Is it one of those mixed marraiges yokes? If they do come hopefully they can spell.

Son Of A Vidic · 22-09-2010 01:58PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Op why do we need to look at our own students first?

Probably because they were born and reared here perhaps? They have an entitlement to education, rather than being pushed into emigration.

Dardania · 22-09-2010 02:01PM

omahaid wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0922/crime.html

Hmmm...sounds bad alright. But perhaps the freakonomics theory linking abortion to reduction in crime rates might be applicable:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect

22-09-2010 02:03PM

medicman2009 wrote: »

Probably because they were born and reared here perhaps? They have an entitlement to education, rather than being pushed into emigration.

They can get free education i dont see what more you want the government to do for them.
Except maybe you want the government to pay them for attending college?

Son Of A Vidic · 22-09-2010 02:08PM

patmac wrote: »

What's an interantional student?

Inter-rant -ional is simply a manifestation of my time spent in the R&R forum.

But in reply to your question, an inte-rant-ional student is clearly someone who has an keen interest in the R&R forum.

So I can teach them how to rant & rave and you can teach them how to spell, deal?

Son Of A Vidic · 22-09-2010 02:10PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Except maybe you want the government to pay them for attending college?

Where did this assumption come from?

22-09-2010 02:12PM

medicman2009 wrote: »

Where did this assumption come from?

Ok then what else do you want the Irish government to do for Irish students?

KerranJast · 22-09-2010 02:13PM

Colleges need money. The Government can't afford to give them any more. So the colleges can either:
- Take in more international and mature students to make up fee income that way
or
- The Government removes the free fees entitlement from Irish students.

Joe and Mary Soap are too shortsighted to realise that free fees are hurting their kids chances of getting a place because the more international places that are made available the less places for Irish students and so higher points.

The Waltzing Consumer · 22-09-2010 02:13PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Another half-arsed & half-baked idea from out wonderful leaders & a complete avoidance of what they should really be doing, which is to charge 3rd level fees to those who can afford them.

Most 3rd level places in Dublin are taken up by those from wealthier areas & families and yet they are allowed somehow to avail of the free tuition fees that were supposedly brought in to help fund the cost of education for those whose families are in the lower income brackets.

But as we all know, Fianna Fail will not change this any time soon, as they know who votes for them at the polls.. and it's not the working classes.

I don't think you are right in saying that most 3rd level places are taken up by those from wealthier areas and families.

But even if this is the case, why do you think that these people, who pay the most tax and make up the majority of the population, should have to pay fees, whilst lower income areas and families, who get huge benefits anyway and pay the least or no tax, reap the rewards of others hard work and their taxes?

Son Of A Vidic · 22-09-2010 02:19PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Ok then what else do you want the Irish government to do for Irish students?

They're job perhaps?

KerranJast · 22-09-2010 02:19PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

I don't think you are right in saying that most 3rd level places are taken up by those from wealthier areas and families.

But even if this is the case, why do you think that these people, who pay the most tax and make up the majority of the population, should have to pay fees, whilst lower income areas and families, who get huge benefits anyway and pay the least or no tax, reap the rewards of others hard work and their taxes?

They pay the least or no tax in absolute terms but relative to their income its quite substantial.

Plus the reason for free fees wasn't to give nearly 100% of middle class kids a guaranteed 3rd level place (which is whats happened). It was to help kids from difficult backgrounds get to college and therefore have a positive impact on social problems and crime.

starbelgrade · 22-09-2010 02:32PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

I don't think you are right in saying that most 3rd level places are taken up by those from wealthier areas and families.

In the cases of Dublin universities, this is most definitely the case.

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

But even if this is the case, why do you think that these people, who pay the most tax and make up the majority of the population, should have to pay fees, whilst lower income areas and families, who get huge benefits anyway and pay the least or no tax, reap the rewards of others hard work and their taxes?

Because if there is to be any social value to tax systems, that's how they are meant to work.

22-09-2010 02:33PM

medicman2009 wrote: »

They're job perhaps?

Is this just a rant of a thread or do you have even a tiny point to make?

Blisterman · 22-09-2010 02:36PM

Archeron wrote: »

Wonder how the foreign students will feel about this when they hear the statistics that we have the highest murder rate of young men in Europe, and the second biggest problem with knife killings.

Though, in fairness they are probably just coming over for the weather.

Western Europe.
There's a huge difference.

The Waltzing Consumer · 22-09-2010 02:39PM

KerranJast wrote: »

They pay the least or no tax in absolute terms but relative to their income its quite substantial.

Plus the reason for free fees wasn't to give nearly 100% of middle class kids a guaranteed 3rd level place (which is whats happened). It was to help kids from difficult backgrounds get to college and therefore have a positive impact on social problems and crime.

Relative to their income? I would be guessing working class is someone who might work in a shop, so there weekly wage for a full time week is about 300 to 400 Euro, they pay pretty much nothing on that in tax so how is it substantial? If they were taxed like middle class or upper class, it could be 40% of 300 to 400 euro a week, that's substantial!

I agree that the free fees was brought in to allow more access to lower income families and students who may normally have never had the means to go to college, and that is what it did, it has been very successful in getting more and more people to college.

Turtyturd · 22-09-2010 02:44PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

They can get free education i dont see what more you want the government to do for them.
Except maybe you want the government to pay them for attending college?

Three cheers for BTEA.

Wertz · 22-09-2010 02:47PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Relative to their income? I would be guessing working class is someone who might work in a shop, so there weekly wage for a full time week is about 300 to 400 Euro, they pay pretty much nothing on that in tax so how is it substantial? If they were taxed like middle class or upper class, it could be 40% of 300 to 400 euro a week, that's substantial!

I take it you've heard of consumption taxes...

Overall, people from working classes pay a higher % of their annual income than those in high earning/high tax bracket employment, mainly because of a high VAT rate and secondary/stealth/double taxation. Higher bracket earners may pay more physical money, but it may not make up the same % of their earnings by the time you take everything into account.

PeterIanStaker · 22-09-2010 02:56PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Three cheers for BTEA.

Great if you can get qualify for it, its very limited.

Son Of A Vidic · 22-09-2010 02:58PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Is this just a rant of a thread or do you have even a tiny point to make?

Not a rant, I do my frequent ranting in R&R I'm afraid. Could you not see my point in my OP? Obviously not, so I'll spell it out for you. The Irish government have stated they are going to offer up more student places to international students. Yet they expect us to believe that this won't be to the detriment of potential Irish student places?

Typical short term view of course, ''Ah sure, we'll get a few pound from them.'' Now there is a stronger likelihood that if we educate our Irish kids and give them the tools they need, then they'll hopefully remain in their homeland. No guarantee of course, but it’s logical to assume more likely.

So in the long term, the country will undoubtedly benefit by preventing an Irish 'brain drain'. But then I suppose, we have a Government that never can see the bigger picture or long term view. Hence the sh1te this country is now in.

Government wants a 50% increase in interantional students coming to study in Ireland

Comments