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"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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    #812
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Dades wrote: »
    Well, like you say, the subject of the thread is done with. The launch is over and nobody else is going to buy the book. So hence the thread can wander.

    I have a feeling it may be running down an evolutionary dead end, however. And it's never too late for a meteorite strike.

    What about a climatic shift?;)


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    #813
    sponsoredwalk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    I must admit I've never seen this BC&P thread, or if I did I'd forgotten it.
    That may explain why I was toying with JC so much :o

    However, a lot of the posts with JC got posters to provide evidence for
    evolution, there is no loss in doing this, especially in a thread devoted to
    John May & the hope is he'll eventually come across this thread and
    actually read the posts. It's a long shot but at the least the 25,000+ may
    come across these posts :cool:

    I don't see how a thread talking about an evolution denier that had posters
    contantly providing evidence for said theory is off-topic?


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    #814
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    sponsoredwalk wrote: »
    I don't see how a thread talking about an evolution denier that had posters
    contantly providing evidence for said theory is off-topic?

    You're bursting my bubble that evolution is my religion and that I accept it on faith.:mad:


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    #815
    sponsoredwalk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCziOpWFHA4


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    #816
    Newaglish
    Registered Users Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish


    Dades wrote: »
    Well, like you say, the subject of the thread is done with. The launch is over and nobody else is going to buy the book. So hence the thread can wander.

    I have a feeling it may be running down an evolutionary dead end, however. And it's never too late for a meteorite strike.

    I suppose in an ideal world what I would prefer is for the John May thread to go stale (and any relevant news that does crop up in future to be posted here) and for a new, completely ridiculous creationist vs evolutionist thread to emerge as a standalone car-crash that I can completely avoid.

    As it stands, I guess I can just completely bow out of this thread forever. If something relevant does turn up though, someone send me a PM ;)

    P.S. I appreciate the irony that my off-topic rambling (and possibly unintentional back-seat modding) is probably as against the charter as what I'm complaining about!


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    #817
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    wrote:
    Originally Posted by Dades
    Well, like you say, the subject of the thread is done with. The launch is over and nobody else is going to buy the book. So hence the thread can wander.

    I have a feeling it may be running down an evolutionary dead end, however. And it's never too late for a meteorite strike.


    Malty_T
    What about a climatic shift?;)
    ... would a Worldwide Flood qualify?:pac:


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    #818
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Improbable wrote: »

    How about you justify statements like:

    Originally Posted by J C
    the 'fossil record' is obviously a record of burial in Noah's Flood
    ... how about billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the Earth?


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    #819
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    J C wrote: »
    ... how about billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the Earth?
    ................um. JC......About that evidence you want. Please clarify as per my several requests

    Thanks


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    #820
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    ................um. JC......About that evidence you want. Please clarify as per my several requests

    Thanks
    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    JC.
    I have politely asked a number of times as to what evidence for evolution you would accept and very rudely and unchristian like you have ignored my question.
    Im sure most folk here would love to be able to help you but as I've already said we have a problem:
    If you are going to either swat evidence away with your bible because the evidence conflicts with its contents
    or
    You will dismiss other wise valid scientific evidence as an elaborate hoax/ conspiracy
    Then in what format will you accept evidence?

    Please answer.



    (Edit - Christian like)



    Remember?


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    #821
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    ................um. JC......About that evidence you want. Please clarify as per my several requests

    Thanks
    Some evidence ... any evidence ... for 'Pondkind to Mankind Evolution' would be nice.


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    #822
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    I'm sick of this, I'm sinking down to the creationists level

    If god created us 6000 years ago:
    • Why do we have wisdom teeth?
    • Why are mens balls on the outside? Serious design flaw there!
    • Why do we have an apendix?
    • Why do so many people have heart attacks?
    • Why can't he design a hip? Every old person needs their hip done.
    • Why did he give us a coccyx?
    • How come we don't grow an arm back like a lizard does?
    • Why does he keep inventing diseases?
    • Why do men have nipples?
    • Why are some people born deformed?
    • Why do so many people need glasses?


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    #823
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    J C wrote: »
    Some evidence ... any evidence ... for 'Pondkind to Mankind Evolution' would be nice.

    Jesus H tap dancing Christ JC. Stop dodging and ducking and diving like a demented dingbat (I know you appreciate alliteration)
    You are the only one waffling on about pondslime to mankind like it actually means something.
    I would like one of your epic answers, with or without coloured text and smilies detailing how any rational person is required to present evidence which will fit through your double layered filtration system. You know the one;
    (1) If its not in The Boys Big Book of Boll*x Biblical Fairy Tales' its not getting in.
    or
    (2) If it is actually scientific evidence then its a lie/hoax/conspiracy/discrimination/ (insert paranoid ref' here)

    WHAT DO YOU WANT?.

    Oh and on a side note wasnt Creation Science created in exactly the same way as the science behind the FSM and Pastafarianism. That being that you create the science to accommadate the subject matter?
    Only with less humour?
    BUT PLEASE ANSWER THE BIT ABOUT THE EVIDENCE FIRST PLEASE!!!!


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    #824
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    I'm sick of this, I'm sinking down to the creationists level

    If god created us 6000 years ago:
    • Why do we have wisdom teeth?
      Because as we get older we get wiser.
    • Why are mens balls on the outside? Serious design flaw there!
      They are PERFECTLY designed to keep sperm at the PERFECT room temperature for fertility and PERFECT sex.
    • Why do we have an apendix?
      The fall.
    • Why do so many people have heart attacks?
      The fall.
    • Why can't he design a hip? Every old person needs their hip done.
      The fall
    • Why did he give us a coccyx?
      The fall.
    • How come we don't grow an arm back like a lizard does?
      The fall.
    • Why does he keep inventing diseases?
      The fall.
    • Why do men have nipples?
      So they can be stimulated and we can enjoy PERFECT sex.
    • Why are some people born deformed?
      The fall.
    • Why do so many people need glasses?
      The fall.
    :eek::D


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    #825
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    Ghost Buster: The problem is that the only way for J C to answer your question is by admitting that he has no idea what he's talking about.


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    #826
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    I'm sick of this, I'm sinking down to the creationists level

    If god created us 6000 years ago:
    • Why do we have wisdom teeth?
      Originally very good ... now not so good ... because of the Fall.
    • Why are mens balls on the outside? Serious design flaw there!
      There is no design issue ... and women like them that way!!!:)
      Gives Evolutionists something to scratch ... when they are thinking!!! :eek:
    • Why do we have an apendix?
      Provides peri-natal gastro-intestinal protection.
    • Why do so many people have heart attacks?
      Poor lifestyle and diet ... no pump that man could design a 'fist-sized' pump that beats 101,000 times a day. During a lifetime it beats about 3 billion times and pumps about 400 million litres (800 million pints) of blood.
    • Why can't he design a hip? Every old person needs their hip done.
      Not every old person ... but old age and death are a direct result of the Fall.
    • Why did he give us a coccyx?
      Essential for proper bipedalism and as an anchor for essential muscles.
    • How come we don't grow an arm back like a lizard does?
      Proof that we didn't 'evolve' from Lizards.
    • Why does he keep inventing diseases?
      Disease and death are a result of the Fall of Creation.
    • Why do men have nipples?
      Common design.
    • Why are some people born deformed?
      Mutations.
    • Why do so many people need glasses?
      Ocular degeneration from a perfect Creation over time since the Fall.
    .


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    #827
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    The Mad Hatter wrote: »
    Ghost Buster: The problem is that the only way for J C to answer your question is by admitting that he has no idea what he's talking about.

    Shhhhhhhhhhh!;)


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    #828
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    J C wrote: »
    .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpWVk3h2SA8

    ?
    The power of music eh!


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    #829
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    wrote:

    The Evolutionist answers:
    • Why do we have wisdom teeth?
      Evolution
    • Why are mens balls on the outside? Serious design flaw there!
      Evolution
    • Why do we have an apendix?
      Evolution
    • Why do so many people have heart attacks?
      Evolution
    • Why can't he design a hip? Every old person needs their hip done.
      Evolution
    • Why did he give us a coccyx?
      Evolution
    • How come we don't grow an arm back like a lizard does?
      Evolution
    • Why does he keep inventing diseases?
      Theistic Evolution :eek:
    • Why do men have nipples?
      Evolution
    • Why are some people born deformed?
      Evolution
    • Why do so many people need glasses?
      Evolution :pac:
    .


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    #830
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    J C wrote: »
    :pac:

    Why is JC dodging my ernest request as to what form he will accept evidence in?
    He likes the place his head is in and wants to stay there forever?


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    #831
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Why is JC dodging my ernest request as to what form he will accept evidence in?
    He likes the place his head is in and wants to stay there forever?
    Touché

    ... show me .... and everyone else da monay!!!

    i.e. some ... any evidence for Evolution.


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    #832
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    J C wrote: »
    Touché

    ... show me da monay!!!

    What does that mean?
    Will you answer or not?


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    #833
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Jesus H tap dancing Christ JC. Stop dodging and ducking and diving like a demented dingbat (I know you appreciate alliteration)
    You are the only one waffling on about pondslime to mankind like it actually means something.
    I would like one of your epic answers, with or without coloured text and smilies detailing how any rational person is required to present evidence which will fit through your double layered filtration system. You know the one;
    (1) If its not in The Boys Big Book of Boll*x Biblical Fairy Tales' its not getting in.
    or
    (2) If it is actually scientific evidence then its a lie/hoax/conspiracy/discrimination/ (insert paranoid ref' here)

    WHAT DO YOU WANT?.

    Oh and on a side note wasnt Creation Science created in exactly the same way as the science behind the FSM and Pastafarianism. That being that you create the science to accommadate the subject matter?
    Only with less humour?
    BUT PLEASE ANSWER THE BIT ABOUT THE EVIDENCE FIRST PLEASE!!!!

    This is what i asked just a few posts ago. It was only the most recent of many. You are quite impolite sir.
    And yes I have become impolite but Im not as blessed by Christ as you are :-)


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    #834
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    This is what i asked just a few posts ago. It was only the most recent of many. You are quite impolite sir.
    And yes I have become impolite but Im not as blessed by Christ as you are :-)
    The Ghost is Busted!!!:)


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    #835
    Fluffybums
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Fluffybums


    As such an eminent scientist, philosopher and theologian as well a proponent of intelligent design could JC please explain redshift and the presence of introns.

    This is a serious question to which I would appreciate a well constructed and serious answer.


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    #836
    monkey9
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    robindch wrote: »
    For comparison, here he is from a few years back before his mutton chops went white and before it seems he started developed what seems to have become be a fairly cold and nasty hatred of non-creationists:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siJVuVfett0

    Looking at that looper just reminds me of the Bill Hicks quote

    “You ever noticed how people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved? You ever noticed that? Eyes real close together, eyebrow ridges, big furry hands and feet. "I believe God created me in one day" Yeah, looks like He rushed it.”


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    #837
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Jesus H tap dancing Christ JC. Stop dodging and ducking and diving like a demented dingbat (I know you appreciate alliteration)
    You are the only one waffling on about pondslime to mankind like it actually means something.
    I would like one of your epic answers, with or without coloured text and smilies detailing how any rational person is required to present evidence which will fit through your double layered filtration system. You know the one;
    (1) If its not in The Boys Big Book of Boll*x Biblical Fairy Tales' its not getting in.
    or
    (2) If it is actually scientific evidence then its a lie/hoax/conspiracy/discrimination/ (insert paranoid ref' here)

    WHAT DO YOU WANT?.

    Oh and on a side note wasnt Creation Science created in exactly the same way as the science behind the FSM and Pastafarianism. That being that you create the science to accommadate the subject matter?
    Only with less humour?
    BUT PLEASE ANSWER THE BIT ABOUT THE EVIDENCE FIRST PLEASE!!!!
    J C wrote: »
    The Ghost is Busted!!!:)
    Pathetic, truly pathetic. You are essentially Bobby Henderson but without the humour or irony. You believe in your spaghetti monster, noodly appendages and beer volcanos.
    http://www.venganza.org/


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    #838
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Fluffybums wrote: »
    As such an eminent scientist, philosopher and theologian as well a proponent of intelligent design could JC please explain redshift and the presence of introns.

    This is a serious question to which I would appreciate a well constructed and serious answer.
    The explanation for red Shift (courtesy of AIG) is as follows:-
    The red-shift of starlight is a decrease in the energy of the light. This energy decrease results in a lengthening of the wavelength of the light, measured with an instrument called a spectrometer. Red is the rainbow color with the longest wavelength, hence the name "red-shift." Stars do not actually become red in appearance since the wavelength change is usually slight. Almost every star and galaxy is found to be red-shifted. The following list summarizes some of the alternative explanations for the origin of this stellar red-shift.

    1. Stellar Motion. If a star moves outward from the earth, its light energy will be reduced and its wavelength stretched or red-shifted. Stars and entire galaxies show varying amounts of red-shift, therefore implying a variety of speeds for these objects. Police actually use this same effect with radar to measure the speed of cars. Stellar motion is often taken as evidence in support of the Big Bang theory. Stars are assumed to be speeding outward as a result of the explosion. This is not the only explanation of red-shift, however.

    2. Gravitation. As light leaves a star, the star's gravity may slightly lengthen the wavelength of the light. A gravitational red-shift could also result from starlight passing near a massive object in space, such as a galaxy. As the light escapes from a strong gravity field, it loses energy, similar to what happens to a person struggling to the top of a mountain.

    3. Second-Order Doppler Effect. A light source moving at right angles (tangentially) to an observer will always be red-shifted. This can be observed in the laboratory by using a high-speed turntable. A detector is placed in the center and a gamma radiation source is placed on the outside edge. The gamma energy is seen to decrease, or "red-shift," as the turntable speed increases. This is an intriguing explanation for stellar red-shift. When applied to stars, it implies that the universe may be in circular motion instead of radial expansion.

    4. Photon Interaction. It is possible that light waves exchange energy during their movement across space and lose some energy in the process. A loss of light energy is equivalent to a "reddening" of its light. A theoretical understanding of this proposed "tired light" process has not yet been developed.

    Any of these four explanations, alone or in combination, may be responsible for red-shift. We do not know enough about space to be certain of the source of stellar red-shift.

    ... and there are anomalies which indicates that red-shifts may not be connected with recession velocities and so may not be a reliable index to distances in an expanding universe after all.
    http://www.answersingenesis.org/TJ/v11/i3/quasar.asp


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    #839
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Fluffybums wrote: »
    As such an eminent scientist, philosopher and theologian as well a proponent of intelligent design could JC please explain redshift and the presence of introns.

    This is a serious question to which I would appreciate a well constructed and serious answer.

    Oi!! Join the cue.:D
    Ive been asking for and answer to a very basic question for pages now. Jc keeps asking for evidence but wont accept evidence in any recognised form.
    He keeps dodging and looking increasingly pathetic and troll like but hey.... I can persist so long as he look dumber and dumber with each dodge.


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    #840
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Malty_T wrote: »
    :eek::D

    You weren't far wrong with those answers!


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    #841
    Fluffybums
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Fluffybums


    J C wrote: »
    The explanation for red Shift (courtesy of AIG) is as follows:-
    The red-shift of starlight is a decrease in the energy of the light. This energy decrease results in a lengthening of the wavelength of the light, measured with an instrument called a spectrometer. Red is the rainbow color with the longest wavelength, hence the name "red-shift." Stars do not actually become red in appearance since the wavelength change is usually slight. Almost every star and galaxy is found to be red-shifted. The following list summarizes some of the alternative explanations for the origin of this stellar red-shift.

    1. Stellar Motion. If a star moves outward from the earth, its light energy will be reduced and its wavelength stretched or red-shifted. Stars and entire galaxies show varying amounts of red-shift, therefore implying a variety of speeds for these objects. Police actually use this same effect with radar to measure the speed of cars. Stellar motion is often taken as evidence in support of the Big Bang theory. Stars are assumed to be speeding outward as a result of the explosion. This is not the only explanation of red-shift, however.

    2. Gravitation. As light leaves a star, the star's gravity may slightly lengthen the wavelength of the light. A gravitational red-shift could also result from starlight passing near a massive object in space, such as a galaxy. As the light escapes from a strong gravity field, it loses energy, similar to what happens to a person struggling to the top of a mountain.

    3. Second-Order Doppler Effect. A light source moving at right angles (tangentially) to an observer will always be red-shifted. This can be observed in the laboratory by using a high-speed turntable. A detector is placed in the center and a gamma radiation source is placed on the outside edge. The gamma energy is seen to decrease, or "red-shift," as the turntable speed increases. This is an intriguing explanation for stellar red-shift. When applied to stars, it implies that the universe may be in circular motion instead of radial expansion.

    4. Photon Interaction. It is possible that light waves exchange energy during their movement across space and lose some energy in the process. A loss of light energy is equivalent to a "reddening" of its light. A theoretical understanding of this proposed "tired light" process has not yet been developed.

    Any of these four explanations, alone or in combination, may be responsible for red-shift. We do not know enough about space to be certain of the source of stellar red-shift.

    ... and there are anomalies which indicates that red-shifts may not be connected with recession velocities and so may not be a reliable index to distances in an expanding universe after all.
    http://www.answersingenesis.org/TJ/v11/i3/quasar.asp

    And introns??


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