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Shannon Bridge Roundabout

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Berty wrote: »
    The thread is about the roundabout. Pedestrian Crossings and roundabouts do not mix.

    I disagree, I think often they are the best place on a busy road to put a crossing. As a driver of course I can do without them, but roads serve other users too.

    There's a lot of children using the that crossing every day for schools and the skate park, it's a fair question to ask where would have been better. If it was down as far as westfields, people on the quay would still be darting across between cars.

    Same applies to the crossings by Singland and Chawkes, sure as driver they aren't ideal, but where should pedestrians cross in their absence?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,152 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    but where should pedestrians cross in their absence?

    Not on the roundabout. Back from the roundabout would be fine. People will always try to take the shortest route possible and if they are too lazy to walk to a safe crossing then enact the Jaywalking rule. That's what it is there for.

    Nobody should simply build a crossing at an unsafe location just because people wont bother going elsewhere. Thats lazy and irresponsible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Berty wrote: »
    Not on the roundabout. Back from the roundabout would be fine. People will always try to take the shortest route possible and if they are too lazy to walk to a safe crossing then enact the Jaywalking rule. That's what it is there for.

    Nobody should simply build a crossing at an unsafe location just because people wont bother going elsewhere. Thats lazy and irresponsible.

    On the bridge itself? Is that even legal?

    As I've pointed out, it's not an unsafe location for a crossing, bad driving makes it so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,152 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    On the bridge itself? Is that even legal?

    As I've pointed out, it's not an unsafe location for a crossing, bad driving makes it so.

    You and I will have to agree to disagree and it being safe or unsafe.

    I don't know where it would be legal or illegal to put a crossing. I just hold an opinion on where it would be safe or unsafe by my own usage of the roads.

    Put it this way. The students of UL(whom are the future) decided to make their own crossing on the Dublin Road up from the Groody Roundabout. Although they would be easier crossing at the roundabout they painted their own illegal markings way up the road because they felt it was safer. It was the COUNCIL who decided to make it dangerous by putting it nearly on the roundabout and there have been many many crashes here because of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Berty wrote: »
    You and I will have to agree to disagree and it being safe or unsafe.

    I don't know where it would be legal or illegal to put a crossing. I just hold an opinion on where it would be safe or unsafe by my own usage of the roads.

    Put it this way. The students of UL(whom are the future) decided to make their own crossing on the Dublin Road up from the Groody Roundabout. Although they would be easier crossing at the roundabout they painted their own illegal markings way up the road because they felt it was safer. It was the COUNCIL who decided to make it dangerous by putting it nearly on the roundabout and there have been many many crashes here because of it.

    Just to be clear, UL is in the county, so it's two different authorities over the one by the Shannon bridge and the ones out by UL etc.

    At all these places, traffic should be slowing moving and it shouldn't be dangerous, if people crash they are either going too fast or not paying full attention. The standard of driving in Ireland is a joke, tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Just to be clear, UL is in the county, so it's two different authorities over the one by the Shannon bridge and the ones out by UL etc.

    At all these places, traffic should be slowing moving and it shouldn't be dangerous, if people crash they are either going too fast or not paying full attention. The standard of driving in Ireland is a joke, tbh.



    It is a bit of a joke alright, and it is compounded by the fact that there is a pedestrian population with many having just as poor a level of knowledge of basic road safety as many of their driving counterparts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭johndaman66


    Jofspring wrote: »
    I think it is ridiculous having crossings so close to the roundabouts. Most people when on a roundabout are trying to concentrate on the traffic around them, getting onto the roundabout and exiting the roundabout, and possibly having to switch lanes on larger roundabouts. With the amount of people that use the wrong lanes and try cut in in front of other drives i can definitely see somebody being killed. A small drop in concentration and somebody stepping out on the crossing could easily cause an accident.

    I was going to add a wee bit more detail in my reply as to why I reckon pedestrian crossings are so lethal at roundabouts but you pretty much summed up my thoughts to a t there Jofspring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭johndaman66


    I think the problem is Irish drivers aren't taught how to drive on roundabouts correctly. You should never be driving "through" a roundabout at such speed as to make braking difficult if you see someone at a pedestrian light.

    I lived in France for a bit and every roundabout is also an unmarked pedestrian crossing, drivers expect pedestrians to cross at them and drive accordingly.

    Imo, they are the best place on a road for a crossing, except for a traffic light junction because any other place on a road will have cars slowing from a higher speed to accommodate people crossing the road, for example, if they were 200m's from a roundabout most cars would have built up considerable speed and would have other traffic travelling at speed behind them.

    At very very best I'll agree to disagree with you there Amazotheamazing and strongly disagree at that. Although I agree with you in that roundabouts should be approached and negotiated at slow speeds fact of ther matter is that this is not what happens in reality. I can strongly relate to other peoples points of view on here that on roundabouts you are so so eagerly concentrating on other guys and gals inappropriate lane choices and being so sloppy at cutting you up on roundabouts that pedestrian crossings at the exits pretty much sum up to a lethal cocktail in my opinion. The set up may work well in theory but such is the appaling misuse of roundabouts I think its enough to ensure it does not in reality.
    Not enter until it's clear to exit?

    Can you sincerely say hand on your heart that you have not stopped on a roundabout before? Not saying you have but if you have done an anyway considerable amount of driving in Limerick rush hour traffic I'd be very much shocked if you haven't. I know from using the roundabout near B&Q at peak traffic times that there is little hope you could pull that off. You'd probably be stuck waiting to get out for half an hour or more at times, have a long tailback of cars behind you hooting their horns and if your someway like me have your BP up to a dangerous level as a result!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭johndaman66


    Berty wrote: »
    Put it this way. The students of UL(whom are the future) decided to make their own crossing on the Dublin Road up from the Groody Roundabout. Although they would be easier crossing at the roundabout they painted their own illegal markings way up the road because they felt it was safer. It was the COUNCIL who decided to make it dangerous by putting it nearly on the roundabout and there have been many many crashes here because of it.

    Was talking to a former UL student whom I now work with about this at one stage. Seemingly it was the UL student union president who campaigned vigirously to the County council to have the pedestrian crossings put where they are right on the enterances/ exits of the roundabout.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Not enter until it's clear to exit?

    Too simplistic by far. You're assuming that as you're taking off that someone doesn't filter in from the road on the left, blocking your way even though it was clear when you moved onto the roundabout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭black & white


    Berty wrote: »
    Problems I see with this roundabout

    (1) Pedestrian Crossings should not exist
    (2) There should only be 2 lanes on Mallow Street and not 3. Currently there is a lane for going out the Dock Road a lane going over the bridge and a lane which can also go over the bridge(somehow) but which also facilitates people turning right.

    Accessing the roundabout from Russells Quay or Lower Mallow Street is very difficult because of the nearly constant flow coming from the bridge. The only saving grace is the pedestrian crossing but then again, like mentioned already, I disagree with it.

    Traffic lights are NOT the way forward here.

    Leave the roundabout as it is and tidy up the lanes on Lower Mallow Street.

    I sent an e-mail to Limerick City Council previously and told them they should widen the lanes coming over the bridge because the outbound lane was far too wide anyway. They replied "we will look into it". 6 months later they did it.

    I should really send them an e-mail telling them to "leave it well alone"


    Speaking to a reliable source about this last night. A contractor has been appointed and is scheduled to start in 2 weeks time, working from 7.00pm to 7.00am.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭phill106


    Speaking to a reliable source about this last night. A contractor has been appointed and is scheduled to start in 2 weeks time, working from 7.00pm to 7.00am.

    No planning permission needed then if its the council?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭black & white


    phill106 wrote: »
    No planning permission needed then if its the council?


    Don't have a scooby doo to be honest. The person I was speaking with was sure of his info though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Don't have a scooby doo to be honest. The person I was speaking with was sure of his info though.

    To remove the roundabout completely? Could be a disaster, imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Two potential lessons from Galway (although I think we are about to relearn them anyway in Limerick:()

    1. The Bodkin roundabout (Terryland) - a big messed up roundabout incorporating lights, with 5 busy exits, one is the busiest shopping centre in the city. Possibly the most inconvenient and dangerous traffic feature in Erin's green isle today. Limerick CC - please don't add lights to the Shannon Bridge roundabout.

    2. The Moneenageesha roundabout - they pulled this up altogether. They put in expensive lights. It took months and months before they achieved anything near the correct cadence. There was mayhem for a long time after installation. It's still not great. Limerick CC - please don't replace the Shannon Bridge roundabout with lights.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭thesimpsons


    ok so how do we get campaign running - who made this decision do you think. who do we need to start contacting?? letters to council or RTA ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,152 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    topper75 wrote: »
    2. The Moneenageesha roundabout - they pulled this up altogether. They put in expensive lights. It took months and months before they achieved anything near the correct cadence. There was mayhem for a long time after installation. It's still not great. Limerick CC - please don't replace the Shannon Bridge roundabout with lights.

    WOW. I hate this place. It used to be awful coming down wellpark road when it was a roundabout because you could never get a chance but it has created unbelievable tailbacks along college and Lough Atalia roads and a bit on the Monnenageesha road.

    Its not so much on the Dublin inbound route because they have their own problems further back because of the Renmore road lights.

    That was Galway Cities biggest mistake in a long time. They have just left it alone. Now people still fly through the Huntsmann Inn. I have stopped going into the Huntsmann for Breakfast/Lunch because when you try to get out people smirk at you and some even give you the finger because they think you are trying to sneak over from the Dublin road. Assholes!

    History lesson for the council here:

    The parkway roundabout was not always such. It used to be a T Junction where Childers road and the Dublin road met on the old Dublin road. It got too busy so they put in a roundabout(with its own problems mind) so going backwards is hardly a solution.

    Roundabouts work. Traffic lights do not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,097 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    I think its a great idea, and can't wait for it to be implemented.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    I think the problem is Irish drivers aren't taught how to drive on roundabouts correctly. You should never be driving "through" a roundabout at such speed as to make braking difficult if you see someone at a pedestrian light.

    I lived in France for a bit and every roundabout is also an unmarked pedestrian crossing, drivers expect pedestrians to cross at them and drive accordingly.

    Imo, they are the best place on a road for a crossing, except for a traffic light junction because any other place on a road will have cars slowing from a higher speed to accommodate people crossing the road, for example, if they were 200m's from a roundabout most cars would have built up considerable speed and would have other traffic travelling at speed behind them.

    The fault isn't in their placement, it's in the standard of driving.
    I agree with you on the poor standard of driving here.
    Especially at traffic lights. In France when the lights goes green usually 6 to 10 cars are moving immediately. Here if you are the four car you have to wait upto 10 seconds+ for Drivers to react here and it a slow effect of reaction. The first move x Secs once they realise that the lights goes green and then put car in gear, then the second react after realises the car in front moved and then put the car in gear and then accelerate x secs later and then the next driver no. 2 reactions and every driver after them are repeated and then by the time 10 cars passes the lights goes red. In Genoble, it is full of Traffic light and on-street trams, bicycle lanes, bus lanes and other obstacles yet traffic moves alot better there than here.
    In France they be 10 times more cars moved through traffic lights as if they are all connected like a train.

    Here in Ireland driving in city and town here you expect bad driving due to the driver finally woke up and poorly reacts. In France/Italy/Spain, you be blown out of it for poor reaction to traffic infront of you. I have moved through large cities in France far easier than the small city like Limerick even through a bottle neck city like Grenoble which is surrounded by mountains was far easier with a hell of lot more cars than Limerick where their motorway was a car park during rush hour there, Driving through their city was far easier due to better drivers despite their appearance to aggressive approach to driving (actual foresight in their driving skills as they know the other light has gone red for other direction and they ready to move when the light goes green) which would horrify slow people here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭thesimpsons


    fully agree with you limklad and include in that the poor quality of people's observations for moving off at junctions when you have slowed down in traffic and given them the chance to move out. The absymisal observations of drivers that there is a sufficient gap in the traffic for them to move out is a constant source of frustration. Some drivers will be looking all around them but never in the right direction to see the gap in traffic. Travelling Condel Road I virtually never fail to slow down to allow a car from Salesians Hill to enter the flow and for cars to turn right off the bridge, but 9 times out of 10, the driver is simply not paying attention and watching out. I do the exact same thing crossing over Thomondgate Bridge to allow cars out into traffic or turn onto Clancy Strand, and again they just don't see the signs. It only delays me and traffic behind me by seconds but could mean a lot of freeing up of traffic delays on the junction roads. wake up drivers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    I virtually never fail to slow down to allow a car from Salesians Hill to enter the flow and for cars to turn right off the bridge, but 9 times out of 10, the driver is simply not paying attention and watching out.

    Often encounter this too. Frustrating when you try to do a favour for people and traffic flow in general and they fail to notice. Morons. If people are turning left into the traffic flow, they should only be looking one way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭langdang


    topper75 wrote: »
    Often encounter this too. Frustrating when you try to do a favour for people and traffic flow in general and they fail to notice. Morons. If people are turning left into the traffic flow, they should only be looking one way.
    And because they are 10 secs behind the real world, they finally get themselves in motion about 3 secs after you've decided they're staying there and closed the gap yourself. Cue a big thick head on them - FFS people, you are in charge of a ton and a half of metal interacting with other cars, cyclists and pedestrians. WAKE UP!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭source


    In the UK they have a very simple and effective method of solving this problem, before the light turns green, they turn on the orange light as a warning to drivers that the light is about to change.

    Then the red and orange change to green and everyone's ready to go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭thesimpsons


    they've turned on the lights on Condel Rd at Salesians - hopefully they'll now adjust them so that they work efficiently :D. First the cars come from the bridge side and turn up Salesians Hill and then the cars come down from Salesians side and turn onto the bridge. Why can't these run in conjunction with each other, have to wait on Condel Rd to sit through 2 light changes before getting a turn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭source


    they've turned on the lights on Condel Rd at Salesians - hopefully they'll now adjust them so that they work efficiently :D. First the cars come from the bridge side and turn up Salesians Hill and then the cars come down from Salesians side and turn onto the bridge. Why can't these run in conjunction with each other, have to wait on Condel Rd to sit through 2 light changes before getting a turn.

    Passed out about an hour ago and there was a guy there fiddling with the box after the light changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,471 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    they've turned on the lights on Condel Rd at Salesians - hopefully they'll now adjust them so that they work efficiently :D. First the cars come from the bridge side and turn up Salesians Hill and then the cars come down from Salesians side and turn onto the bridge. Why can't these run in conjunction with each other, have to wait on Condel Rd to sit through 2 light changes before getting a turn.

    Do the lights allow for traffic to turn right onto the condell road from the salesians hill? Was never allowed before but theres an arrow for left and right on the road...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Maybe one of the functions of these new lights is to hold traffic entering the city across the bridge. This gives more balance on the roundabout to allow traffic to come down lower Mallow St.

    That is why those two flows (Salesians -> city centre and city centre -> Salesians) are not done simultaneously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭phill106


    foinse wrote: »
    Passed out about an hour ago and there was a guy there fiddling with the box after the light changes.
    Glad i wasn't stuck behind you in traffic, passing out in traffic like that. Are you ok? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭kilburn


    god ya dangerous move ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭shg101


    topper75 wrote: »
    Maybe one of the functions of these new lights is to hold traffic entering the city across the bridge. This gives more balance on the roundabout to allow traffic to come down lower Mallow St.

    That is why those two flows (Salesians -> city centre and city centre -> Salesians) are not done simultaneously.


    Just posted this on another thread.

    These freakin lights backed up traffic all the way out the dock road to Raheen, and must also have backed up the city.

    I left work early (about 5:40PM), and for a journey that has taken me 25-30 mins since the tunnel opened (Raheen-Corbally) now took over 50 mins. And I was lucky, the traffic stopped dead for me halfway in the Dock road. It took 20-30 mins to go the other half. God help the people who left after me from Raheen.

    EDIT: Of course AARoadwatch say the apart from the Ballysimon Rd things are moving well in Limerick.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    Drove out that way tonight and yes, it's now possible to turn right onto the Condell Road from the Shelbourne Road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭BobTheBeat


    Well theyve gone a fcuked up the whole city again. Passed that way this morning. 45 minutes from the coonagh roundabout to the new lights at condell road. Magic. Love waiting in traffic me.

    And it wouldnt have made much of a difference even if you took the tunnel to get off at the mungret flyover. The traffic was backed up so bad that there was a queue going down the slipway to join the first of the new roundabouts on the city side of the flyover.

    Worse again, the shannon traffic couldnt even pass over the bridge and through the lights, as the queue was so bad for cars waiting to go up the shelbourne road. As I passed by the junction, I could see a queue all the way up along the salesians road, which means they havent timed union cross lights either.

    Absolute gomes in charge of traffic planning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭allimac


    When they put the new traffic lights at the dock road roundabout things will get dramatically worse.According to Vincent Murray city senior engineer there is a demand for increased pedestrianisation in the area to reduce the volume of traffic from Mallow st?What planet do these people occupy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭munstergirl


    Salesians city centre/city centre salesians should be go at the same time, there should be no turning right.

    Wait till the traffic lights go in roundabout on dock road, imagine tailbacks then.

    Don't think anyone living on northside likes lights at salesians, yes you get on clondell road quicker but coming home in evening you get caught in mess.

    I think its just making people drive through city sarsfield bridge instead.

    Still would not make me use the tunnell to get to crescent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,547 ✭✭✭✭phog



    Still would not make me use the tunnell to get to crescent.

    Before this mess att he bottom of Shelbourne Rd and Condell Rd I've used the tunnel to get to the Crescent and I've used it even to go back in the Dock Rd, the thing about the tunnel is barring an incident you know you'll get to the far side in a few mins and it'll cost €1.80. At times that suit me :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭Builderfromhell


    Have been reading about plans to put traffic lights on Jury's roundabout at bridge.
    What occured to me is that they only recently spent a lot of money putting one then another Zebra crossing on this roundabout. Did they not know that they would be removing these to put in traffic lights later.
    Reminds me of the pedestrian lights at Barrington's pier on Condell rd. Lights put in then about 6 months later taken out again to allow for bus lane. The planned bus lane was known about at that time but they still put in the lights.
    That's your money that's being wasted there guys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,471 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    According to the post today the abbey street/clare street roundabout is also to be replaced. Assumingly also with lights -.-


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,348 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    According to the post today the abbey street/clare street roundabout is also to be replaced. Assumingly also with lights -.-

    So there will be two sest of traffic lights close to each other, one at Baals bridge and now Abbey bridge? :eek:

    Also they only put up a pedestrian crossing at Abbey bridge a few months ago. More tax payer's money down the tube. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭445279.ie


    16 new sets of traffic lights for the city :eek:

    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Limerick-city-to-get-16.6550558.jp


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    But tunnel general manager Tom King described this as a "conspiracy theory".

    Mr Murray also dismissed the claims: "No, the lights are not designed to force people into the tunnel. We need to balance the needs of motorists commuting through the city with the needs of other people in the city, including schools and local traffic," he said.

    It's a strange coincidence alright given the Tunnel has only been open a few months and already there have put a new set of traffic lights on the alternative relief road(condell rd) out of the city. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭thesimpsons


    445279.ie wrote: »
    16 new sets of traffic lights for the city :eek:

    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Limerick-city-to-get-16.6550558.jp

    oh god, thats gotta be a joke. but then again i bet its not a joke at all, its a sad reality of limerick city council that they think this is the way forward. What on earth are these plannes trying to do to the city - totally strangle the place. Its a city, cities have traffic, traffic needs to move into and out of the city quickly without p*ssing off all the motorists. Conspiracy theory or not, if more and more people do use the tunnel, guess what happens - more and more people decide not to come into the city centre. In the last 5 weeks the traffic across the whole city is moving fairly well (apart from the Salesians fiacso - now sorted I hope). From the Dublin Road, Dock Road, O'Connell Ave and Ennis Road, I am rarely delayed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭allimac


    16 new sets of lights!!!Are these dictators in city hall trying to close the city down?Who gets the contract to supply all these traffic lights and who is getting a brown paper bag in the council?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Limerick-city-to-get-16.6550558.jp
    But tunnel general manager Tom King described this as a "conspiracy theory".

    Mr Murray also dismissed the claims: "No, the lights are not designed to force people into the tunnel. We need to balance the needs of motorists commuting through the city with the needs of other people in the city, including schools and local traffic," he said.
    tech2 wrote: »
    It's a strange coincidence alright given the Tunnel has only been open a few months and already there have put a new set of traffic lights on the alternative relief road(condell rd) out of the city. :rolleyes:

    It was not strange coincidence. It was deliberate by Limerick City Council and NRA. Before the Tunnel was built I went to Two talks about the construction of the Tunnel and new Road and in Q&A after the Talks, when others have ask what if people are going to avoid the Tunnel to avoid paying the Toll. Both answers where the similar, that the City will be adding Traffic Lights and Changing Traffic Flows and adding more Pedestrians Streets, removing streets from vehicles traffic to on the Year before and after the Tunnel is built to encourage people to use the Tunnel. He said Travelling through the city will be made a lot more difficult. While Direct Route is not responsible for the Traffic Lights and change in Traffic Flow.
    The Real ones who are the Limerick City Council/NRA are Fully responsible to the disaster in the Traffic Flows and very deliberate about it which in turn will kill more business in the city centre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭thesimpsons


    its all well and good encouraging people to use the tunnel if you don't want to go into the city, but what about those who actually still want to go into the city to shop, work or go to schools. they are making it impossible. time to write to all my councillors again :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 38 springwell7616


    The town planners in Limerick couldn't plan a piss-up at Murphy's Brewery, never mind planning roads in Limerick!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭limklad


    The town planners in Limerick couldn't plan a piss-up at Murphy's Brewery, never mind planning roads in Limerick!
    They did do planning. The Plan is to make life more difficult for drivers with the city bounds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    The town planners in Limerick couldn't plan a piss-up at Murphy's Brewery, never mind planning roads in Limerick!

    Brillantly said lol..

    The council havent a clue, build bus lanes to bring people into the city, then they put traffic lights every few meters that arent needed. People will not use buses to come shopping in the citys, when there is a local supermarket and shopping centre rite on there doorsteps where they can drive to, park for free..stay out of the rain..

    Way of getting people into the city...

    Provide better roads to move in and about the city, provide proper parking and loading bays....the footpaths are wider now than the roads, a complete joke they are so slippy on wet days that I now no longer EVER walk down thomas street, I will admit it looks great but looks arent everything...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    tech2 wrote: »
    It's a strange coincidence alright given the Tunnel has only been open a few months and already there have put a new set of traffic lights on the alternative relief road(condell rd) out of the city. :rolleyes:

    What co-incidence?

    The pedestrianisation and traffic management plans were always meant to be in place after the tunnel opened. No city centre should have the "through traffic" that Limerick has, it's effectively running a dual carriageway through the centre of the town.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 Mr Sense


    It has been confirmed that the story about 16 sets of traffic lights is false. The correct number is 4 confirmed at Council meeting this evening by senior director .
    What we really need to consider is what kind of City Centre we want in Limerick. Do we what a city centre dominated by cars or do we want a city centre where pedestrians and cyclists can move about safely.
    I have 2 friends who were knocked down by cars in the last two years and I myself was knocked down as a teenager. Thankfully none of us were seriously hurt.
    What we must remember is that if you are in a nice warm car moving through a city then its not really a big deal to wait at traffic lights for a minute or two. It warm and you probably are listening to a radio show. Think about the poor pedestrians on a wet day waiting for a gap in traffic to cross the road. Too many pedestrians and cyclists are killed each year. Make the roads safer. I for one say the Councillors are correct to take the opportunity of the new City By-Pass to return the streets to the people who live in it and particullary to those who walk around it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭Builderfromhell


    Agree with the idea of making the City centre people friendly and pleasant to move around in. Got very nearly killed by a car today on Henry street.
    Not sure if some of the traffic lights make it safer though.


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