Fianna Fail are Unelectable under Brian Cowan

dixiefly · 14-09-2010 04:48PM #1

There is a view at the upper levels of Fiann Fail that they are unelectable under Brian Cowan. However, it is not a convenient time to get rid of him as the optimum time for a heave is in about 6 months. He can continue to take hits in the meantime and leave the new leader from becoming exposed to the fallout from the next budget.

Remember, FF over the last 10 years under Bertie developed their strategies based on optimising votes at the next General Elections. That thinking doesnt go away easily.

The only way the Cowan will be leader going into an election is if there is a snap / unexpected election. I cannot see him still being leader in 18 months when an election would be approx due. In fact if I was offered 100/1 on him being FF leader in 2 years I wouldnt take it.

Permabear · 14-09-2010 05:01PM

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Manic Preacher · 14-09-2010 05:03PM

donegalfella wrote: »

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I disagree with your sentiment. If Brian Lenihan was Taoiseach he'd lead FF back into Govt.

LarrytheLantern · 14-09-2010 05:40PM

i think mr. Cowan is doing a fine job.
every time i see him on TV it makes me proud to be Irish.

dixiefly · 14-09-2010 07:14PM

donegalfella wrote: »

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It isnt just about winning the overall election. The heave on Cowan when it comes will be more about damage limitation. Many FF politicians will be looking at their own seats and they will see themselves as having a better chance under an alternative leader. Also. it will be important for them to avoid complete wipeout in the next election which will reduce their power base this making a quick return less likely/

It is not beyond a possibility that they have counted in a loss of the next election and are thinking of the following election in the hope that they are in government come 2016.

Todays events, if they take legs, may precipitate the heave.

Essexboy · 14-09-2010 07:37PM

delete "under Brian Cowan" and the thread title would be correct. :cool:

SoupyNorman · 14-09-2010 07:44PM

Fianna Gael are equally unelectable under Kenny.

Callan57 · 14-09-2010 07:44PM

That anybody would think of voting for FF after what they have done (twice in my lifetime) really scares me. :mad::eek:

Koloman · 14-09-2010 07:49PM

Callan57 wrote: »

That anybody would think of voting for FF after what they have done (twice in my lifetime) really scares me. :mad::eek:

And the sad thing is that there are people out there willing to give then the chance to bankrupt the nation for a third time!

Liam Byrne · 14-09-2010 08:52PM

SoupyNorman wrote: »

Fianna Gael are equally unelectable under Kenny.

Who are this "Fianna Gael" ?

SoupyNorman · 14-09-2010 09:06PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Who are this "Fianna Gael" ?

FG then.

Koloman · 14-09-2010 09:07PM

donegalfella wrote: »

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But Jesus could turn water into wine! Brian Cowen would have him in his cabinet!

14-09-2010 09:12PM

FF will have a chance to get back in, simply because the other political parties don't do anything to inspire confidence. Its not as if there are a lot of choices out there. Hell, I'd love to get Tony Blair over here and vote him in, rather than any of the politicians we currently have at the front.

galwayrush · 14-09-2010 09:14PM

Manic Preacher wrote: »

I disagree with your sentiment. If Brian Lenihan was Taoiseach he'd lead FF back into Govt.

That's almost as scary as Cowan remaining.

Liam Byrne · 14-09-2010 09:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

FF will have a chance to get back in, simply because the other political parties don't do anything to inspire confidence.

If FF get back in, then no-one's voting based on "inspiring confidence".

johnnyskeleton · 14-09-2010 09:21PM

Koloman wrote: »

But Jesus could turn water into wine! Brian Cowen would have him in his cabinet!

In his water cabinet?

gandalf · 14-09-2010 09:30PM

It's fairly obvious at this stage that FF will not get into power at the next election barring a miracle. None of the senior members with leadership aspirations will heave against Cowen before the next General Election as they will then be tainted with that loss.

Unless it looks like they are heading for an absolute collapse of support and remember the hard core FF support always runs in the mid twenties I don't see a change in leadership at all*.

(*this of course depends on the number of early morning interviews that BC gives in future as well

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14-09-2010 09:33PM

I'm pretty sure I read many similar threads here on boards about FF prior to the last election, and what happened?

14-09-2010 09:42PM

LarrytheLantern wrote: »

i think mr. Cowan is doing a fine job.
every time i see him on TV it makes me proud to be Irish.

Ah stop now would ya....serious comments only please!:rolleyes:

Koloman · 14-09-2010 10:12PM

LarrytheLantern wrote: »

i think mr. Cowan is doing a fine job.
every time i see him on TV it makes me proud to be Irish.

Just let me check my calendar... no, it's not April 1st!

evenmicheal · 14-09-2010 10:44PM

A certain percentage of people will always vote Fianna Fail regardless what they do. Civil war politics is not dead yet.

steelcityblues · 14-09-2010 11:32PM

Koloman wrote: »

But Jesus could turn water into wine! Brian Cowen would have him in his cabinet!

But FFers are the best at turning the wine into water!

PeterIanStaker · 15-09-2010 11:36AM

gandalf wrote: »

It's fairly obvious at this stage that FF will not get into power at the next election barring a miracle catastrophe

FYP

Laminations · 15-09-2010 11:38AM

LarrytheLantern wrote: »

i think mr. Cowan is doing a fine job.
every time i see him on TV it makes me proud to be Irish.

You might think uber sarcasm is hilarious, but after so many trolls on here it just gets annoying. Moderate and witty sarcasm is hilarious, aim for that

jmayo · 15-09-2010 11:48AM

donegalfella wrote: »

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Well at least d ahern and m woods would be happy with that.

Manic Preacher wrote: »

I disagree with your sentiment. If Brian Lenihan was Taoiseach he'd lead FF back into Govt.

Yeah the great white hope of ff. :rolleyes:
Isn't he the guy that told us Anglo would only cost 8 billion ?
Isn't he the guy that told us he would shake up the banks execs ?
Isn't he the guy that supported willie o'dea in speech in the Dáil ?
Isn't he the guy that told us NAMA would make a profit ?
Isn't he the guy that forgot to read important part of report on Anglo ?
Need I go on ?

SoupyNorman wrote: »

Fianna Gael are equally unelectable under Kenny.

Are they a new party

Koloman wrote: »

But Jesus could turn water into wine! Brian Cowen would have him in his cabinet!

Jesus couldn't work that fast, he would run out.
Besides cowen drinks Guinness AFAIK.

Laminations · 15-09-2010 11:56AM

jmayo wrote: »

Besides cowen drinks Guinness AFAIK.

What? Haven't you heard the latest from the FF spin machine, Brian Cowen doesn't drink. It wasn't a hangover he was sporting, it was nasal congestion, it wasn't guinness in that pint glass, it was coke and cream.

Craven99 · 15-09-2010 12:00PM

So if it is not FF who would you like to see getting in?

FF have wrecked the country and very few people think that FG are a viable alternative. So I am genuinely curious on who people would vote for?

Laminations · 15-09-2010 12:01PM

Craven99 wrote: »

So if it is not FF who would you like to see getting in?

FF have wrecked the country and very few people think that FG are a viable alternative. So I am genuinely curious on who people would vote for?

Very few people? I think they show a majority in the polls? Some polls ahve put them at or near 40%

Revolution9 · 15-09-2010 12:07PM

A lot of people thought FF were unelectable under Bertie. We still voted them in though!

Tim Robbins · 15-09-2010 12:08PM

Manic Preacher wrote: »

I disagree with your sentiment. If Brian Lenihan was Taoiseach he'd lead FF back into Govt.

Or Martin.

FG don't offer credible opposition and Labour only represent over paid public and semi state sectors. I heard Pat Rabbite recently defend the average wage in the ESB of 79K.

The best we can hope for is for a FG / FF alliance.

Laminations · 15-09-2010 12:10PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

A lot of people thought FF were unelectable under Bertie. We still voted them in though!

The amount of sh1t that has come out since 2007 though, it'd be a real shame if we voted them in again. I dont think you can compare now with then. People had their reasons back then, they still wanted to believe in the FF dream of a soft landing, now people have more facts

Fianna Fail are Unelectable under Brian Cowan

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